No Cameron, but Clegg sticks to PMQs script on NHS

 

David Cameron may have missed prime minister's questions as he travelled in the Middle East, but Nick Clegg stuck to the Cameron script when it comes to Wales.

The deputy prime minister tried to deflect a question about the NHS in England with a reference to the NHS in Wales. (This devolved issue has, according to the Guardian's Polly Toynbee, been raised 29 times by David Cameron at PMQs).

Answering a later question, Mr Clegg told the Commons that waits for diagnostic tests in Wales were longer than in England.

"In Wales, the NHS there run by Labour, 33 per cent of patients wait more than eight weeks to access diagnostic tests - 33 per cent, a third. In England, only just over one per cent of patients wait longer than six weeks for the same. I think the comparison speaks for itself."

He was responding to a question from the Monmouthshire Tory MP, David Davies, who said it was time to give patients in Wales the opportunity to access "far higher services" in the NHS in England. Mr Davies says that if Welsh patients want to be treated in England, the Welsh government should pay for them to be treated there. He would offer a reciprocal arrangement to patients from England who want to be treated by the Welsh NHS - with the UK government picking up the tab.

Mr Davies raised the case of a constituent, Mariana Robinson, who wants to be treated in England. He said she was "a victim of the Labour-run NHS in Wales" which offered, he said, longer waiting lists and less access to drugs.

Mr Clegg told him: "I was appalled about the experiences of one of your constituents."

Who can recall a time when the NHS in Wales has featured so consistently - and so prominently - at Westminster?

 
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    Comment number 26.

    25 Perhaps WAG could follow the English example in education to help with dreadful numeracy standards in Wales but as I see it unless there are capable teachers in Patagonia (Last I checked only 475 left in total and perhaps not many maths teachers) otherwise WAG would have to import foreign teachers that can speak English - A dreadful situation!? Jacques Protic

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    All this user's posts have been removed.Why?

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    Comment number 24.

    Oh dear. Once again people are bashing the Welsh NHS. Dont you know it is all the fault of the English? Shame on you, steady as we go, keep dying.

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    Comment number 23.

    22 Up to a point you are right there are better HC providers overseas and easily identified via WHO Look at HAI (Acquired Infection) statistics and where MRSA played havoc in the UK many advanced nations managed to contain Money issues investment in prevention measures Have not been involved in HIA for some time but from memory Wales was never good - managed by Cardiff based committees before Dev

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    Comment number 21.

    1 + 19 speak sense It's a huge organisation with mind boggling complexities but it works at least in England NHS was damaged by Mrs T by applying market economy and overnight centres of excellence held within RHA's disappeared and replaced with private sector input often cutting corners Corrective measures were applied and whilst still imperfect serves its purpose Wales NHS should revert to UK JP

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    Comment number 20.

    I know that Rhodri and Carwyn feel immensely proud as their little Celtic nation forges a new international identity.

    I just note what they're achieving and feel a really dreadful sense of despair!

    Well said Dr Jah.

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    Comment number 19.

    Dr. JAH had it right at No.1. There are over 60 million people in the UK, a huge resource to generate funds and to supply specialisms in medicine and high quality management.

    To say that some Hospitals are sub-standard is not the same as establishing that the system in England is failing. In Wales we cannot generate specialist bases for every ailment.
    NHS cannot be devolved.

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    Comment number 18.

    16 Mab YFI For some years I was an active member of the Labour party and was nearly persuaded to stand as a candidate. I chose a different career and for the last ten years I have run my own business. I have learnt, in my 62 years is that no single party has all the answers. Having voted for devo I now see no merits in it. You have yet to put forward an argument to change my mind.

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    Comment number 17.

    ... the proposition that there should be a single NHS covering the whole of the UK might be taken up by UKIP !

    The example above at para.4 is sufficient to convince many.

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    Comment number 16.

    I am Mariana Robinson mentioned in the House of Commons PMQ today. I do not have bowel cancer as Dvid Cornock suggests, but a much rarer condition called Pancreatic Insufficiency which is probably of an auto-immune origin. How do I know this? I had to pay privately to get a diagnosis and start some treatment but Wales NHS will not allow me to continue that care in England.

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    Comment number 15.

    13: You don't think for yourself or have the ability to challenge but what's for certain is you are a political pack animal who like most with a sly agenda use forums to attack Wales rather than to be positive about the merits of self determination largely out of ignorance to suit yours and others backwards outlook with the final act being the dissolution of Wales politically. Not going to happen!

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    Comment number 13.

    12 Mab I am more than happy to be challenged by DC and others. Although I do not know your identity I can say, with some confidence, that we are not related. In part because everyone in my family was brought up to "think for yourself and think clearly". It is an ethos that has served me well in my 62 years. It is so much better than insulting everyone that disagrees with you - don't you think

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    Comment number 11.

    9 David I am grateful that you respond. I did not say at 2 that response to Davies did not mention the NHS in Wales it clearly did. I said that the question before was on the NHS and that the response to that did not mention the NHS in Wales. It would be strange if the UK Gov did not draw attention to failings of devolved Govs in the same way CJ calls to attention failings at Westminster

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    Comment number 10.

    6: It's only becoming transparent because of brave whistle blowers who had the guts under duress to expose what was happening to the media and the brave ones who lost new born babies & aged loved ones through hospital errors/blunders who made public their distress not Clegg or English health minister Jeremy Hunt waving of their respective magic wands and alls well on Tory-land claptrap.

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    Comment number 9.

    8. Decentjohn, I respond to posts out of goodwill but I am now going to stop. If you don't think it's unusual for devolved issues to feature in PMQs then you've chosen to miss the point (again). Your original comment said the response didn't mention the NHS in Wales. Simply untrue.

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    Comment number 8.

    5 David In my post # 2, I said that the response to D Davies question lasted 23 seconds as timed by BBC I player. I do not consider 23 seconds out of the 31mins + shown on the BBC I Player as prominent. Indeed if I remember my maths correctly it works out at 1.25% of the time that PMQ ran for.
    How many question were asked in total and how many responses referred to Wales NHS?

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    Comment number 7.

    3: NO, past Westminster Labour especially Tory governments have failed Wales by meddling with NHS system, not training enough professionals I.E: Nurses, Doctors to enable our health system to function properly and by employing private cleaning firms cutting corners. Yes Welsh Labour are responsible and must take responsibility for any failings but you also should admit your slanted agenda too.

 

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