Prime minister attacks Welsh government's NHS record

 

As question time goes, it was loud, angry and rather predictable. The Labour leader attacked the prime minister on the NHS; David Cameron attacked Ed Miliband on the NHS.

Mr Miliband raised the prospect of an accident and emergency crisis this winter. David Cameron told him the NHS was treating 1.2 million more people in A and E than it was under Labour: "But I can tell him where there will be a particular problem. There will not be a winter crisis in the NHS in Wales, where Labour is in control, because there is a crisis every day of the week in Wales, where Labour is in control."

Mr Miliband had another go: "The Prime Minister is simply wrong about the figures. If we look at what is happening in our hospital A and E departments, we see that the target has been missed for 15 consecutive weeks. The whole country will have heard that he cannot guarantee that there will not be a crisis in our A and E departments this winter, and that is because there already is a crisis."

The exchanges continued in a similar vein, with Ed Miliband accusing David Cameron of "giving P45s to nurses and six-figure payoffs to managers".

The prime minister replied: "First, we are saving £4.5 billion by reducing the number of managers in our NHS. For the first time, anyone re-employed has to pay back part of the money they were given. That never happened under Labour. We do not have to remember Labour's past record, because we can look at its record in Wales, where it has been running the health service. It cut the budget by 8.5%, it has not met a cancer target since 2008, and it has not met an A and E target since 2009.

"The fact is that the right hon. gentleman is too weak to stand up to the poor management of the NHS in Wales, just as he is too weak to sack his shadow Health Secretary."

Ed Miliband didn't respond directly to any of the points about Labour's running of the NHS in Wales - it's his job to ask questions rather than answer them although if you want to hear him defend the Welsh government on that subject you can see my report here.

First Minister Carwyn Jones did defend his government's running of the Welsh NHS yesterday, during first minister's questions in the National Assembly for Wales. He told Welsh Tory leader Andrew RT Davies that he wouldn't accept his call for a wide-ranging inquiry into the health service in Wales.

He said: "There is a need for one in England because the NHS in England is in crisis because of your government. You only had to see the front page of The Observer on Sunday to see the disaster that is awaiting people in England, sadly, because of the actions of his party. One thing that we will not do in Wales is impose the chaos in England on the people of Wales."

A Welsh government spokesman said: "Faced with serious questions about redundancies in the NHS in England it is regrettable that the Prime Minister chose to launch an inaccurate attack on the NHS in Wales."

 
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    Comment number 133.

    dispozest, trust me, we shall work together.

    Goodnight mate.

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    Comment number 132.

    #120 SEDWOT

    The actual wording used throughout the 2011 Welsh Language Measure is:

    "the treatment of the Welsh language no less favourably than the English language;"

    This form of words permits Welsh to be treated more favourably than English within the letter of the law and it is thus a charter to promote Welsh language supremacy not merely language equality.

    Judicial review is required IMHO!

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    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

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    Comment number 130.

    #125 Jack

    I can see why you are trying to support Tory Welsh language policy but it's misplaced loyalty! It was FORCED on Welsh kids from 5-14 by the 1988 Education Reform Act - Rod Richards supported it at the time. It was phased in over 10 years so Monmouthshire dragged their feet as long as possible - lucky them! Rod later changed his mind but the damage was done and it still is being done!

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    Comment number 129.

    http://wales.gov.uk/newsroom/firstminister/2011/110624brittany/?lang=en

    The thing is, our Welsh Labour led government is a Celtic government. If you aren't Celtic, and your first language isn't Celtic, vote for a political party who're more concerned with the mastery of maths and English? Which one is up to you.

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    Comment number 128.

    WM schools are under a lot of pressure in some ways; there are only 11 applicants for each primary school teaching post against 33 for each EM primary vacancy. The number of WM schools is falling steadily and, although this year numbers of pupils in WM schools fell, the trend is upwards, which means larger class sizes. Year 6 is 17 pupils in WM but 28 in EM. WM class sizes will increase.

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    Comment number 127.

    #125 WR Jack, there is a major difference in deciding all kids in Wales get 5 periods of Welsh a week (Similar to Latin in my youth) and stating that ALL welsh kids must take Maths & English (English !) in WM lessons. Additional maths will be the swimming pool joke of the C21 [could the instructor swim? No, but he could speak Welsh. For younger viewers].
    On this, parents will get angry.

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    Comment number 126.

    Conversely; there is nothing preventing English from being dropped as a compulsory subject. I can't in all honesty see Prof Davies report being acted on in its entirety...just not enough Welsh speaking teachers (nor likely to be) but some part or parts will be adopted as (yet another) sop to the language lobby.

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    Comment number 125.

    When the WAG had that vote for language compulsion the Conservatives were vehemently against, David Davies has tried and tried to have Monmouthshire schools be free of compulsion, it's wrecking young lives.

    Scroll down to Rod Richards, ta.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/434738.stm

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    Comment number 124.

    Is anybody clear about the status of Prof Davies' report. Woodsey assues everyone that I am scaremongering and it will never happen. I hope he is right. But, will it just sit on a shelf, or will it be debated on the floor of WAG ?
    It's just that it takes time to sell a house, and I would want to get in early before house prices collapse as the exodus starts. Think it won't? Come, buy !

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    Comment number 123.

    Just to be clear, when the Conservatives introduced the Welsh language Act, Welsh was only compulsory in areas where Welsh was widely spoken. Elsewhere it was up to the local authorities, very few went for language compulsion.

    Rod Richards quickly realised compulsion caused deep resentment, it was counter productive and dropped.

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    Comment number 122.

    No.116 I was wondering the same thing. Where is Nick? Last seen on the day that Westminster replied to Silk where there was much cheerleading as you would expect and deference to the Dear Leader.

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    Comment number 121.

    120 There is no question that linguistic situation in Wales is a legal mess Legal anomalies were used shamelessly by Rhodri Morgan via WLB and now WLC but do not share your view that what we now have is legal Perhaps WO will ask Supreme Court to provide clarity? Incidentally I do not believe WAG has any remit over anything to do with English language and I think David Jones knows it too!

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    Comment number 120.

    It does occur to me that Welsh as a compulsory subject could not legally be removed from the curriculum...at least not without removing English as well. Since 2011 the law has stated that "English can be treated no more favourably than Welsh". To remove Welsh without removing English would break the law as it now stands.

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    Comment number 119.

    118 - Absolutely true Dispozest and an indictment of Welsh Media (Press and TV with no exceptions) for shameless censorship of the equally shameless social engineering policies and practices imposed by the WAG!

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    Comment number 118.

    It's odd that nearly every thread degenerates into a discussion about the obvious damage the various forms of Welsh language compulsion are doing to public services in Wales and - yet - one thing our elected so-called representatives can't ask the Tory PM about at PMQ is - wait for it - the Welsh language!

    Who first dumped Welsh language compulsion on us without a demos? The Westminster Tories!!!

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    Comment number 117.

    116 Perhaps Nick could open up a debate on 'One language for all' and allow comments?

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    Comment number 116.

    BTW Read Mr Servini's Welcome! page, admired his youthful photo on the by-line.
    But that was a fortnight ago.
    Has nothing happened in Welsh politics over that period that can excite him enough to put pen to paper, or fingers to keyboard??

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    Comment number 115.

    #109 "it is imperative that the Welsh language is ...and accepted as compulsory in all Welsh schools. "

    I might equally state as an axiom
    It is imperative that the Welsh-speaking minority accept that it is impossible to live in the modern world as a Welsh-speaking monoglot, and schools & efficient public services should reflect this reality.

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    Comment number 114.

    #106 " it's not enough for just one person to point out that the "One Language for all" paper was just a shoddy piece of propaganda "

    I had the thought of asking my AM for a view, either that of the AM or of the Labour Party. Still awaiting a response. Perhaps the personal view doesn't follow Party line, so least said..

 

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