Gongs, politicians and gold medals - the honours system

 

It was one of the more surprising questions Tony Blair has been asked during his political career, particularly as the interviewer was John Humphrys.

"If you could swap with [Andy] Murray," he asked the former prime minister, "what you've done for what he's done, would you do that?"

Mr Blair's response was swift. "Yeah, for sure."

Perhaps we shouldn't have been surprised by the answer from someone who was once the lead singer in a rock band.

Mr Blair is also a keen tennis player, as is David Cameron, who is hosting Andy Murray in Downing Street this afternoon. Mr Cameron has already suggested that he can think of no-one more deserving of a knighthood than the new Wimbledon champion. He doubtless believes this is about society recognising achievements that bring people together rather than politicians trying to associate themselves with success.

You may be able to come up with more deserving causes than a multi-millionaire whose brilliance has already been well-rewarded, but the prime minister's comments highlight the changing honours system.

Britain's last Wimbledon singles champion - Virginia Wade - was appointed OBE nine years after her 1977 victory. (She won £13,500 in prize money; Andy Murray won £1.6m yesterday).

Welsh politicians have queued up to suggest Warren Gatland be given a knighthood after the Test series victory in Australia.

So is it easier to get a gong these days? I posed the question on twitter. Wales Office Minister Stephen Crabb suggested it might be "recognition of the huge role that sport now plays in our national life".

He may have a point. England's world cup winning footballers had to wait more than 30 years to get OBEs for their 1966 win. Andy Murray was appointed OBE within months of winning Olympic gold and the US Open last year.

The wider recognition may be nice for sports people although I suspect few would swap gold for a gong.

The role of politicians is increasingly recognised in the honours system too. The creation of the parliamentary and political service committee - with a membership that includes three chief whips - means elected politicians now feature regularly in honours lists.

It has led to a situation where the Liberal Democrats at Westminster now have as many knights as they have women. The Lib Dem MP and AM for Brecon and Radnorshire have both been appointed CBE - the same honour given to Mo Farah after he won double Olympic gold last year. Three of the last four leaders of the Welsh Liberal Democrats ended up in the House of Lords (Lord Opik is still waiting for the call) although peers are expected to work for their honour.

So how do you compare achievements in politics or public service (which some would say is its own reward) with those on the rugby pitch or athletics track? This government guide explains what you need to do to get a particular gong. People become a dame or knight "for having a major contribution in any activity, usually at national level. Other people working in the nominee's area will see their contribution as inspirational and significant, requiring commitment over a long period of time."

But there was another reason - besides the sporting glory - Tony Blair would have swapped lives with Andy Murray. "Then I'd have the 10 past 8 slot on the Today programme," said Mr Blair, as keenly aware as ever of the "awards" dished out by the media.

 
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    Comment number 15.

    #13 "Move on to the Tudors"
    A great idea. The Tudors. Henry 7th. Reasonable line to a partially Welsh descent. Little claim to throne of England. Ascended to the throne by force of arms and treachery. Then proceeded to murder, or have killed, any relatives with an equal or better claim than himself. A true descendant of Llywelyn the Last.

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    Comment number 14.

    #13 Google ' non sequitur '
    You argue that Charles Windsor is not the true PoW
    #9 "Welsh history tells us a different story about the 'true' Prince of Wales" So tell us, if you have the magic drop of Welsh blood, the true story. Who do you think is the true PoW. Carwyn ? The Chief Druid ??

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    Comment number 13.

    Google is a poor source of well researched facts. Move on to the Tudors

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    Comment number 12.

    If you believe OG had any rightful claim to overlordship of other Welsh princes & principalities, who then is his descendant and 'the rightful Prince of Wales' ? Who will decide his (got to be his?) right?
    I reckon ~29 generations at 4 gens per 100yrs so ~2 descendants per gen'n. you have around one thousand million descendants to check.
    Who is your claimant ??

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    Comment number 11.

    Fascinating people who don't know their Welsh History. But if you were taught History in England and use google then you they plead ignorance. Owain Glyndwr was the Mab darogan in 1402.

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    Comment number 10.

    #Fascinating, indeed epic ignorance of geneology and logarithmic progression. Llywelyn the Last died in 1282, >725 years ago. Anyone fancy tracing his last descendant with a defendable claim to the title. Bearing in mind this exercise would be conducted under Welsh law, with property split between descendants and rights of the natural-born. No primogeniture here.

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    Comment number 9.

    Wonder if they'll ever realise papers regarding James Hewitt and his son??
    William seems a nice enough Chap but Welsh history tells us a different story about the 'true' Prince of Wales and it resonates for anyone with a drop of Welsh blood in them

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    Comment number 8.

    The modern Kafka.
    The monarch has a duty to be politically neutral.
    PoW is the future monarch. He finds it difficult not to dash off letters to the media on headed notepaper seeking to influence policy. Most policy decisions are political.
    Publication of politically extreme views would damage the monarchy.
    So, either suppress the PoW or suppress the media.
    Guess which the courts choose ??

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    Comment number 7.

    This being a Wales site, the actions of 'our' Prince are surely relevant.
    "Mr Grieve, the government's principal legal adviser said,.. the correspondence was part of the prince's "preparation for becoming king". He said making the letters public could potentially damage the principle of the heir to the throne being politically neutral,"

    Perhaps the Prince could help by remaining neutral.

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    Comment number 6.

    #5 Hear Hear!
    The vibe coming off a small assembly of the self-important, happily awarding each other honours, is of small Wednesday-afternoon painting class, with ladies of a certain age wandering around distributing tepid praise for eachother's efforts. It does nothing for the dignity of parliament.

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    Comment number 5.

    Sorry to bore you, Crossroads. You might want to avoid every single national newspaper today as the knighthood question features prominently. Whatever you think of the honours system, I think the increase in the number of politicians being given gongs by other politicians is under-reported.

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    Comment number 4.

    "Why not reward sporting achievements" ?

    But we do. Mr Beckam has converted an ability to kick a football very accurately into a multi-millionaire way of life. Footballers get more each week than most can earn in a year. A Murray apparently can look at annual sponsorship payments of £M 15-40.
    The C20 idea was to recognise those of service to their country: e.g. lifeboat crew, not well paid.

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    Comment number 3.

    Why not reward sporting achievements, we are very quick to build up and then knock down our sportsmen and women, in fact we rarely recognise achievement in any field. Its about time we started recognising and rewarding our achievers. A little praise goes a long way......

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    Comment number 2.

    If they are there long enough and don't blot their copy-book, they will get appointed to HM Privy Council. This gives them bragging rights and letters after their name. Why would they want an MBE? That could be for anything from defusing a bomb under enemy fire to writing 30 unreadable noves for the cat-owning classes.

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    Comment number 1.

    Oh the excitement of it all......

    Sorry Dave, but really !

 

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