Westminster celebrates Lloyd George's birthday

 

The politician, known as the Welsh wizard, rose from humble origins on the Llyn Peninsula to introduce the pension and lead Britain through World War I

David Lloyd George, Britain's only Welsh prime minister, was born 150 years ago today.

He is also the last Liberal prime minister, and Welsh Liberal Democrats at Westminster were determined not to pass up the opportunity to celebrate. At the last count, five separate events are being held at venues ranging from the Lloyd George statue in Parliament Square to the National Liberal Club.

At the statue, the Reverend Rose Hudson-Wilkin, chaplain to the Commons speaker, led a short service. The Gwalia Male Voice Choir led the "congregation" in Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau as relatives and admirers laid daffodils at the statue.

Among them, Lloyd George's grandson, Viscount Tenby, and Lady Bonham-Carter, great-granddaughter of LG's great Liberal rival Herbert Henry Asquith. "Reconciliation at last," said Lord Roberts of Llandudno, who organised some of today's celebrations.

Viscount Tenby, a teenager when Lloyd George died in 1945, remembered his grandfather as "fun" with a real interest in people matched by few politicians.

Lloyd George's biographer, (Lord) Kenneth O. Morgan praised his role in introducing social benefits.

But what would the Welsh Wizard/Goat - who led a coalition government - have made of today's Liberals in government with the Conservatives at Westminster?

Lord Morgan suggested he wouldn't have had a problem with coalition but he wouldn't have approved of some of the government's welfare policies.

 
David Cornock Article written by David Cornock David Cornock Parliamentary correspondent, Wales

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    Comment number 62.

    Note the figures for Christmas Breath Tests: 35,000 tests : 500 positives. So, one positive for every 70 cars stopped. In theory, random stops are illegal. Given that some of the positives are going to be drunks hitting lamp-posts, and despite blood tests at all RTAs, this does suggest a lot of random tests.
    So, legalise it or stop it. The police should not make up the law.

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    Comment number 61.

    Would David Lloyd George have stood for the latest OAP pension scam?

    No doubt you have seen the new £144 (actually£155) pension for all scheme.being introduced in April 2017

    What is NOT being shouted from the rooftops is that no-one already an OAP or anyone becoming an OAP before April 2017 gets that amount

    No, they get £107

    David, your comments on this really would be much appreciated. .

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    Comment number 60.

    ... Boxer, the following is from a submission sent to the WLC 24 May 2012 ..

    ".. I would dearly love to apply for a job ... Sadly, as an English speaker, I am excluded from applying for this post as only bilingual candidates may apply. This feels like state sponsored discrimination to me .. "

    This is exclusion through positive discrimination ...

    Is a Commissioner for English needed ?

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    Comment number 59.

    #56 'Can the offices of Meri Huws, the Welsh Language Commissioner, be subjected to the same scrutiny.'
    What worries me is that I don't want to scrutinise the work of the Commisar. Her views are sufficiently strident. I want to know what is her constitutional position: she obviously thinks it is to tell WAG what to do. If she is a pressure group - fine. If she is to set policy - not so good.

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    Comment number 58.

    #53 'Boxer didn't hear you complain about people getting jobs because they were masons '
    Bit of a smear. You don't hear me complain about FGM in Somalia. Don't mean that I approve !
    FTR I dislike discrimination: be it Old Etonians, Welsh speakers, public schoolboys, lesbians, born-again Christians, free masons, Old Labour appointing old buddies, medics who went to the 'right' teaching hospitals

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    Comment number 57.

    cont ...
    It is because of the difficulty to apply financial scrutiny, the perfect measure, that other effects should be scrutinised, particularly the social effects.

    We know that positive discrimination in favour of the minority has been proposed, but what is the extent to which the positive discrimination excludes the majority.

    Exclusion is difficult to swallow, can it ever be justified ?

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    Comment number 56.

    cont ...

    The clarity, honesty and commonality of the "cycle lanes" has a public face that may be subjected to scrutiny.

    Can the offices of Meri Huws, the Welsh Language Commissioner, be subjected to the same scrutiny...

    ... but more important how can the effects of her offices be subjected to the same scrutiny.

    cont ...

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    Comment number 55.

    ... Boxer, your #51 where you write ...

    "... the taxation I can probably live with."

    I find it less difficult to live with the taxation as do you, but there is an element of deceit that is very difficult to swallow."

    Your examples of "cycle lanes" and upkeep of "historic churches" are underpinned by clarity, honesty and commonality.

    cont ...

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    Comment number 54.

    Why do people who move from England dictate what should and shouldn't happen in Wales. Do they still think the Empire exists.

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    Comment number 53.

    52.Boxer_the_Horse
    Boxer didn't hear you complain about people getting jobs because they were masons or members of the labour party. In England if you went to public school it guaranteed you a job. Is that not a stitch up?
    Tyler go back to England or houses cheaper for you hear?

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    Comment number 52.

    #51 Cont Exclusions
    If I work hard for five years to get a PhD (i.e. earn a PhD) and the promotion (over me) goes to someone because his mother spoke Welsh, I am going to be mad, and totally demotivated. Every professional meeting I go to I will be telling them 'Don't even bother to apply; it's a stitch-up. And if I move back to England for promotion, will I appoint \ Welshman ? You guess.

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    Comment number 51.

    #49 ' what can I/we expect in return for taxation and exclusion."
    Personally, the taxation I can oprobably live with. I accept that within a democracy non-cyclists pay for cycle lanes; the non-religious may pay for upkeep of historic churches.
    The exclusion is something else. TBC

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    Comment number 50.

    ... Lloyd George only failed at Versailles because of the obdurate French, the pension was a step towards treating people with dignity, you are right about that Boxer.

    Would he have succeeded to convince the great unwashed if he came to Caerphilly on the linguistic quest I wonder ?

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    Comment number 49.

    ... #45, well you took you time answering the question, as simple No was expected.

    Now explain ...

    "... as its not viable without my support, what's in it for me and the other 80% of the population of Wales, what can I/we expect in return for taxation and exclusion."

    I wonder how Lloyd George would have handled this particular question, he failed at Versailles in 1919 ?

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    Comment number 48.

    #47 It would be interesting to know how many old people died at home, still living in the community with their life-long partners, rather than in in the workhouse - forcibly separated, as a resultof the DLG old-age pension.

    I think most of us would feel that he merited some kind of Blessed amongst the Nation award just for that.

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    Comment number 47.

    The poor old Lib-Dums must be pretty short of things to celebrate if Lloyd George's birthday is the best they can come up with!

    I guess they won't be celebrating being behind UKIP in the polls!

    Jan 17th was also Michelle Obama's birthday, not to mention Muhammad Ali, Benjamin Franklin, Al Capone, and Anton Chekhov who all strike me as being more interesting but, there again, I'm not a Lib-Dum...

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    Comment number 46.

    The question is only meaningless if you think that Wales should be run by Welsh-speaking Illuminati (we could call them Druids ) and those that disagree are either Traitors ( Welsh-speaking) or Untermensch (non-Welsh-speaking). Eitherway, their views would be unimportant.
    John is only disingenuous if you believe that the belief that we live in a democracy is disingenuous.

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    Comment number 45.

    Re.44

    Can it exist without support? Can the NHS? Can the education system? Can the armed forces? Can the monarchy? Can Westminster, the UK Government and MPs? The BBC? The fight against cancer?

    Nope. All therefore UNVIABLE.

    As I said, meaningless and disingenuous.

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    Comment number 44.

    ... the question is neither meaningless nor disingenuous scabious, it is not about opting in or out, though that seems to be a permissible WAG option, it's a valid question as to the viability of a language.

    If the language requires both social and financial support from the general population, it might be regarded in the same light as public transport, unviable; can it exist without support ?

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    Comment number 43.

    Re.41

    The question is meaningless and disingenuous. You may as well demand that the Welsh Government offers a multiple choice contract to each and every tax paying member of the public on every issue of significance. So, those that see no worth in green energy/environmental issues should be able to opt out of that particular millstone around their necks etc etc etc.

    Dream on boys!

 

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