Badger debate crosses borders - MPs debate cull


Few parliamentary debates generate as much emotion or passion as those that involve the welfare of animals.

Today's debate on the proposed badger cull in England is no exception. The Commons has heard of badgers being killed for "sport" and of cattle being slaughtered in front of young children.

Both the above tales came from Welsh MPs. Responsibility for animal health - and the problem of bovine TB - may be devolved to the Welsh government but the arguments (presumably like the badgers) are quite capable of crossing borders.

In Wales, ministers scrapped plans for a cull in favour of vaccination of badgers. In England, a cull that had been imminent was, earlier this week, suspended until next year.

So the arguments continue. Shrewsbury and Atcham Tory MP Daniel Kawczynski - who is parliamentary private secretary to the secretary of state for Wales - said there had been a huge increase in bovine TB in his constituency.

He had met dairy farmers to discuss the problem. "I don't mind saying that sometimes grown men and myself, we've sat round the table and cried. Such is the emotion that these people are facing.

"When they see sometimes whole herds being taken away for slaughter, the impact that has not just on themselves but also their families, particularly young children in that family, is absolutely devastating."

Newport West Labour MP Paul Flynn opposed the cull. "There is a group of people in my constituency who have been caught indulging in badger culling.There's an element of sport in this, that many people sadly enjoy killing wild animals.

"It's not part of the growing civilisation of this country as we go from decade to decade and we treat other living species with greater respect and not with contempt."

Montgomeryshire Tory MP Glyn Davies, a farmer, spoke in favour of a "targeted pilot cull" to see what difference it made - if it didn't work he said he wouldn't support a general cull.

Carmarthen West and Pembrokeshire South Tory MP, Simon Hart, a former chief executive of the Countryside Alliance, accused Mr Flynn of generating more heat than light.

He said many farm animals had been killed because of the threat of bovine TB. "A lot of those animals would have been perfectly healthy, some of them would have been in calf; some of them because they were so much in calf would have probably had to be slaughtered on the yard, in front of, in many cases, young children."

Mr Hart said there were very serious consequences about not doing anything. He invited the rock star and anti-cull campaigner Brian May (who watching from the public gallery) to visit farmers in Pembrokeshire to see for himself the impact of bovine TB.

UPDATE: MPs voted overwhelmingly, by 147 votes to 28, in favour of a motion calling on the UK government to abandon its cull entirely but as the debate was held at the behest of backbenchers ministers are not bound by the vote.

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    Comment number 11.

    Any parent allowing a child to witness the slaughter of cattle is doing so for their own purposes.There is no reason for any child to be there.Perhaps these same children should be present when badger culling takes place so as to balance the view they have?It would be interesting to have one of these parents justify their actions so that Social Services could investigate their behaviour?

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    Comment number 10.

    "they...would have probably had to be slaughtered on the yard, in front of, in many cases, young children.".

    "Probably". In other words, he hasn't got a clue whether any were or were not. Produce the evidence to back your claim up or you're a 'liar,liar, pants on fire'.

    Sensationalism without facts is just an attempt to back up a weak argument with lies.

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    Comment number 9.

    Hi Woodsey, assuming you also follow this blog.
    ' Great news Boxer the Hoarse Radio Cymru viewing figures have increased by 15,000.'
    I picture a little cottage just under Snowdon, with 3 ladies in red flannel skirts and stovepipe hats, possibly a pipe (or am I thinking of DiscWorld - Witches Abroad) are listening to the rain on the roof and staring at their radio set (valves, obviously).

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    Comment number 8.

    Who gives a brock?

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    Comment number 7.

    Simon Hart should tell the parents of the children, who he says are witnessing cattle slaughtered, to keep them out the way. On the other hand, I don't remember him fretting about the welfare of the tiny tots encouraged to watch fox hunts when he led the Countryside Alliance's campaign against the hunt ban.

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    Comment number 6.

    MP Simon Hart is well known for his views on anything relating to the countryside. As your article states he's a former Chief Executive of the Countryside Alliance and he has been campaigning to repeal the Hunting Act for years. His stance on this particular issue should surprise no-one.

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    Comment number 5.

    'Mr Hart said there were very serious consequences about not doing anything.'
    Perhaps he could try praying to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. This is the well known alternative to those that don't like the World the way it is, and feel 'Something Must be Done !! ' without having a clue as to what will work.

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    Comment number 4.

    I see the 'badgers versus beef' brigade are out early today!

    Quite frankly I couldn't give a toss about this question.

    Though I have to admit that anything creepy Paul Flynn is against...I'm for !

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    Comment number 3.

    they reckon the cull may cut TB by less than 20%!

    farmers=poor husbandry skills in the UK.

    british farmers are filthy.there is no wonder that every few years we end up with another disease killing thousands upon thousands of animals.
    i bet it'll be someone else's fault though!

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    Comment number 2.

    "I don't mind saying that sometimes grown men and myself, we've sat round the table and cried. Such is the emotion that these people are facing."
    This is the PR line from the National Farmers Union.
    But the real problem is cattle to cattle infection caused by poor husbandry and poor testing which is not helped by the squeeze put on farmers by the supermarkets! Cattle are infecting the wildlife.

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    Comment number 1.

    Simon Hart can likewise be accused of generating "more heat than light" by claiming livestock are being slaughtered in front of young children. The obvious question would be why are their parents allowing them to see it if this is indeed what is happening ? This is an obvious attempt to stir up emotions in his favour and brings him and his cause no credit whatsoever.



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