Yeah but no but to using the private sector in the NHS?

 
Vicky Pollard Has the Health Minister "gone Vicky Pollard"?

Have I already had a stab at explaining the implications of the Welsh government giving the go-ahead for the use of the private sector in the health service?

Yes, just five days ago.

Was this go-ahead specifically and as a last resort to LHBs who are struggling to cut waiting times for orthopaedic surgery?

Yes.

When asked for their reaction to the news that the NHS in Wales is now planning to buy in private treatment for orthopaedic patients, did the government say that "it is prudent for health boards to explore all possible avenues to ensure our targets are met by March."

Yes.

Was the political significance here that Welsh Labour's manifesto written for May's Assembly election said that Labour had delivered on a pledge to "eliminate the use of private sector hospitals in NHS Wales and will continue to rule out the use of PFI in health services"?

Yes.

Has the Health Minister today said that she "completely rejected the privatisation of NHS services".

Yes.

Got you. So LHBs are absolutely NOT being given the go-ahead to turn to the private, or independent sector to get out of trouble and hit their waiting list targets?

No... well yes... well... the Minister "would prefer not to see any independent sector used".

Is that a yes? Or a no?

Preferably no. "Using private, independent sector must be a very short term and must be a last option."

Hang on, isn't that by definition a yes?

Yes it is, says Conservative health spokesman Darren Millar. It is a yes and comes from a minister who - caught in that painful spot between principle and pragmatism - has come over all Vicky Pollard.

Yeah, but no, but...

Is this not a case of a Minister denying something that hasn't been claimed - the wholesale privatisation of the NHS in Wales? It does feel a bit like it, with a tacit nod along the way to those who feel they must turn to the private sector to get one, small part of the job done.

Right?

Yeah, but no, but yeah, but...

 
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    Comment number 10.

    Treat patients or pursue dogma? Can't decide? Vote Labour and even if you look foolish, you get long holidays.

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    Comment number 9.

    When I worked in a factory, I found that when I was asked by Management or fellow workmates to do them a favour or something for a short period of time.

    It became a permenant part of my job description.

    Once short term use is in, it 'will' become permanent and we will be paying more for it because Private Companies are there to make profit.

    Look at Americas' health system.

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    Comment number 8.

    I don't want people in pain either, but paying private medicine to do things will cost more than if we did it directly through the NHS and thus starve other areas of funds. Yes to short term use of the private sector as an emergency measure, but the priority should be to directly employ staff to do the work. Private medicine is largely parasitic on the NHS.

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    Comment number 7.

    Keeping people in pain, and/or at risk of aggravation to an existing condition, simply to satisfy political dogma is a classic example of the disconnect which exists between the ruling class and the people.

    When their 'pride' is more important than our pain we have the right to take matters into our own hands - revolution is the likely outcome!

    Aneurin Bevan must be turning in his grave!

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    Comment number 6.

    To follow on local businesses are being sidelined by the head offices of WVS. Where our money is going to pay the top brass who are deciding these thing and the people working in the Hospitals are working voluntary.
    That's privatisation for you.

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    Comment number 5.

    I'll say it again we wouldn't have to go down that road if the Surgeons and Consultants used their expertise solely in the NHS, instead of using the same facilities in their Private capacity.
    At the end of the day public money is being payed twice to these people through their use of NHS facilities.
    Just the same as the WVS has contracted out to a national company to supply food to their shops.

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    Comment number 4.

    When the trolls have quite finished we will discuss the topic currently in play. Now that we've just had Plaid kick themselves so far in touch they won't be in play for quite some time, we have a Labour minister struggling with the realities of life. Why should an orthopedic patient suffer excruciating immobility for an ever increasing length of time? The ideological purity of a manifesto? No.

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    Comment number 3.

    This is a difficult one.

    Out of choice I would prefer not to have the privated sector involved in the Welsh NHS. However something must be done to cut waiting lists and I am sure that many patients will welcome the move.

    A case of politicians and patients wanting the penny and the bun?

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    Comment number 2.

    1.MabionGlyndwr.

    Here we go again. No one had disicussed anything yet and we are all predujdiced and traitors.

    I am definately certain now. Don't be taken in by him he is not who he is portraying.

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    Comment number 1.

    I find it pitiful when a discussion topic is set that some commenter’s resort to bigoted, xenophobic remarks which is the realm of the ignorant, predujdice & traitorous when challenged. Sadly like all backward thinking societies they gang attack your stance because it shows their fear, lack of a national conscience & allegiance to ones country. Shameful is not the word, You all know who you are!

 

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