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Measuring devolution: Carwyn Jones on record and future

13 June 2014 Last updated at 07:47 BST

BBC Wales has been looking at the impact of devolution after 15 years.

In a wide-ranging interview with our political editor Nick Servini, First Minister Carwyn Jones defends the Welsh government's record and assesses how the Welsh assembly has evolved as an institution.

But he thinks some local authorities are incapable of improving the education they provide.

Mr Jones discusses:

  • How some councils were not delivering on education "consistently"
  • How the NHS "isn't a Welsh problem" and how difficulties stem from increasing demand
  • His surprise at how the assembly has developed from what he would have imagined in 1999
  • The future and end point for devolution
  • His own future as leader

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