Teachers 'need time for training' to improve standards
28 January 2014 Last updated at 08:57 GMT
The quality of teaching in Wales needs to improve if overall standards in schools are to have any chance of increasing, inspectors have said.
Estyn's annual report raises concerns about the "variable" quality of teaching and standards generally, especially in secondary schools.
It said standards in primary schools were similar to last year.
The Welsh government said it was continuing to work on key areas such as teaching, literacy and numeracy.
Owen Hathway, Wales policy officer at the NUT Cymru union and Helen Coulson, head teacher at Fairwater High School in Cwmbran, shared their views with Felicity Evans and Oliver Hides on the BBC's Good Morning Wales programme.
Mr Hathway said teachers needed to be given time for training, while Ms Coulson said leadership was the key.