If Borgen made it to the Bay

Kirsty Williams and Cameron Diaz Cameron fan: Welsh Lib Dem leader Kirsty Williams and Cameron Diaz

What's Welsh for spin doctor?

Thanks to classy, compelling political drama Borgen we know that in Danish it's 'spin doktor'.

I reckon it's probably spin ddoctor in Welsh in that case but you may know better.

Leanne Wood and Eve Myles Welsh double: Leanne Wood and Eve Myles

Why, asked the Western Mail a few days ago, can't we create tense, must-watch political drama?

Why isn't there a Welsh Borgen that makes "the political humdrum relevant, exciting and perhaps most surprisingly, human." I'm with them all the way.

Power-play exists in all parliaments, as does the humdrum.

As for strong women? Christiansborg has its fair share, but then so does the Senedd.

 Carwyn Jones and Derek Brockway Double take: Carwyn Jones and Derek Brockway

So, having run through "the perfect storm of challenges" facing the NHS in Wales, discussed whether the School Standards and Organisation Bill will do its job and the surprise in John Humphrys' voice as he asked Carwyn Jones how come Wales has so few tax payers on the 40p rate, let alone the top rate, there was a chance in yesterday's party briefings to ask one final question: if there were a Welsh Borgen, who would you want to play you?

Leanne Wood went for home-grown talent Eve Myles, while Kirsty Williams asked tentatively whether she could be so bold as to request Cameron - Diaz, not David.

"I was once compared to her," she said.

"Cameron on a very bad day, me on a very good one."

Andrew RT Davies and Carwyn Jones Change of fortunes? Opposition leader Andrew RT Davies and Carwyn Jones

What of the men?

The First Minister was in no doubt: his well-known body double, Derek Brockway. Less weatherman walking, more First Minister leaning.

But what was that about power-play? Who, I asked Andrew RT Davies, would you like to see playing the feisty leader of the opposition?

"Carwyn Jones."

See what he did there?

Tomorrow I'm heading - not to Copenhagen, but to Amsterdam - ready for the gripping drama of the Prime Minister spelling out just what "negotiating a better relationship" with the EU might mean in real life. It would "hang a close sign" around British business, says Ed Miliband.

If you're First Minister of one of the two regions in the UK that are net recipients in terms of EU funding, it sounds unwelcome and dangerous. For the first time, says Carwyn Jones, "there is serious concern about whether the interests of Wales can be advanced effectively in Europe by the UK Government".

No doubt Conservatives in the Bay would suggest he'd do well to concentrate on his own efforts to boost the Welsh economy. Mr Jones is in Turkey on a trade mission, with the Conservatives' condemnation of "lazy Labour's £200million export fall" ringing in his ears.

The First Minister will spread "the message that Wales is open for business" say his own side.

See what they did there?

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    Comment number 39.

    The National Assembly for Wales was a result of a referendum put to the people. It's right to make Welsh law was the result of a second referendum put to the people.

    The Westminster Parliament was founded because the rich got fed up of being taxed by the monarch!

    Ha! So much for regional lists!

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    Comment number 38.


    I find it even more insulting when I have lost a member of my family to such an accident. How dare you accuse me of being insulting to such families.

    Those that voted for devolution were in the vast majority. Shall we go down the road of democracy with the present UK government

    As usual your comments are inflammatory and born out of ignorance

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    Comment number 37.

    ... just a small point wooodsey, its not having attended a particular school that enables a person to run governments, its having been elected with a majority to the leadership of your party, and of course having been elected to Westminster.

    In Wales its slightly different, you can get into the Assembly hitching a lift (in pyjamas or otherwise) via the (undemocratic) list.

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    Comment number 36.

    34 Woodsey
    I wonder how many MP's in the jungle drive whilst under the influence of alcohol. Indeed no one mentionedf English MP's nor Eton

    I find your trite comment insulting to all those families who have lost family to drunk drivers. I find it equally insulting to the majority of Welsh who never voted in either referendum
    As usual your posts are pure ignorance

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    Comment number 35.

    I don't see why we need to leave the UK in order to run our own European affairs. I'm merely saying that we shouldn't have to leave if England wants out. We should be able to negotiate our place in Europe separately from Cameron's eurosceptic ideal. Our contribution could easily be negotiated as part of our budget from the UK.

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    Comment number 34.


    Perhaps AM's with depression should go to the Jungle like English MPs to get over their depression and not do any parliamentary business.This notion that English MPs are whiter than white is laughable and that you have to have gone to ETON to be able to run governments I find insulting to all the majority of Welsh who voted for devolution. Pure arrogance

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    Comment number 33.

    16, 27 Cythraul
    Chilling is the only way to describe your comments.

    I have only ever seen such blind obedience and unquestioning compliance in documentaries about Hitlers Germany and the Hitler youth movement.

    PC have done an equally good job in removing your critical faculties

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    Comment number 32.

    ... you'd have to win a tougher referendum first phantom, first you must win a separatists' referendum ...

    On a positive note, the UK is not going to leave the EU, the stay put lobby is far too strong.

    Did anyone understand Cythraul ?

    Boxer, I agree !

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    Comment number 31.

    Welsh for 'spin doctor'? Same as for 'liar' I would imagine. That twenty odd mil that Carwyn found stuffed down the sofa? He's giving that away to Councils so that don't have to enforce the new tax rules? What was all that recall business about then? Nothing extra for education or then NHS!

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    Comment number 30.

    24 Fo - You are right depression is a very serious issue.

    But so then is drink driving. I doubt that you would have sympathy for a drunk driver who ran over a killed a member of your family - even if that driver claimed to be depressed.

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    Comment number 29.

    Sorry, missed one final point. Any chance of leaving these blogs or HYS topics open for comment for a bit longer. Some of us are limited in what we can do or say on office IT systems. Not all of us can afford smartphones or have internet cafes nearby, so we have to wait until we get home; by which time the entry may be closed.

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    Comment number 28.

    I'm coming round to the idea of Wales staying in Europe even if the rest of the UK want out. It's alright for middle England they haven't got the unemployment and poverty that we've got. We need EU money. It's time that Wales spoke for itself in Europe, including a separate referendum on staying in or leaving.

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    Comment number 27.

    Such sweet irony that Englishmen abroad now find themselves under the tender governance of the Welsh nation, subject to the of noble virtues of Cymric law, forged in the furnace of our young Welsh democracy!

    How it must soften and warm even the hardest of cold Saxon hearts to realise that the native Briton is, and must be, the ultimate arbitrator of his own destiny!

    Rejoice, as we do!

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    Comment number 26.

    In the words of the famous Irishman, 'I can resist anything except temptation' and the image of the locals doffing caps was just too tempting.
    Seriously though, John. I agree with you: the day we start being grateful to them for being there will be a very bad day. I prefer the old
    'Why is that lying (politician) lying to me?
    Not always true. Not always fair. But a good place to start.

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    Comment number 25.

    ... #24, I have wondered about Boxer, at one time I thought he/she was agent provocateur, in the pay so to speak of the separatists, but I think he/she is more in the mould of matador taunting and teasing lemmings.

    Boxer quoting Kipling and my reply could not be regarded as straw-man tactics in this particular room, you might like to contribute meaningfully sometime.

    Who's depressed ?

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    Comment number 24.

    Re 22,23


    Perhaps your right wing Tory machismo doesn't allow you to believe that depression is a serious issue. Your problem.

    Lucky for Boxer that he wasn't having a go at silver haired elderly gentlemen, eh?

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    Comment number 23.

    ... provocative Boxer, I'm sure Fo and chums would respond with the words of Henry James ...

    "An Englishman's never so natural as when he's holding his tongue."

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    Comment number 22.

    ... politicians with personal problems, cheap shots, the last few days!

    I remember a politician who was reported in a hotel with a woman not his wife, and I recall a politician reported driving in bedclothes whilst under the influence of drink, both censured, one by the law.

    Fo_difficult to turn away from our errant elected, FoDafydd, its democracy, you on the other hand prefer the strawman.

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    Comment number 21.

    #19 ' the days of cap doffing in Wales are long gone '
    Seems a pity , if true. Should we not let the lesser breeds acknowledge that ' To be born an Englishman is to be awarded first prize in the game of life..'

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    Comment number 20.

    Re 18

    "...when you call Betsan's contributors "old men" you display a degree of prejudice"

    Really?! Unheard of among the commentators on this blog, then!

    How does a cheap shot from you these past few days against a politician with personal problems fit into your new moral compass? A compass that always only manages to find fault with those of us, who, unlike you, are not Brit nats.


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