Where's the beef? Where's the salt?
Who will Plaid Cymru elect as a new leader?
Let's start with the numbers.
Four became three when Simon Thomas threw in his lot with Elin Jones. For Plaid Cymru read Plaid Ceredigion? Certainly not, they said. Read two politicians in agreement on who should win.
Most Assembly Members support Elin Jones.
Of the three MPs, one is keeping stumm, the other two are split: Jonathan Edwards is in the Leanne Wood camp, Hywel Williams is pro Elin Jones.
Local constituency parties? Of those who've endorsed any candidate at all, Leanne Wood wins it hands down.
The name not mentioned so far? Dafydd Elis Thomas.
Time for a reminder of a couple of things.
Firstly that in this race, it's one member one vote and all votes are worth exactly the same. If you're an AM or an A.N. Other, you have one vote, that's it. The former MP, current AM and Peer might be lagging behind in big name endorsements but it's ordinary members who'll decide this election.
He's struck some of those as 'sounding flippant' or 'just being grumpy' in television debates and party hustings. His team point out that relaxed and flippant sound much the same sometimes and that 'Dafydd' El's message goes down much better with the ordinary membership in Caernarfon and in Denbigh than in posh hotels in Cardiff'.
Secondly: I'm trying not to forget the words of the only bookie I know. Karl tells me that in a three horse race, every punter knows that you always put your money on the outside bet. I pass on his advice and keep my purse in my bag.
The two women? Each camp is warily eyeing the other. Both believe the leader will be a woman. Both believe second preferences will count in this election - and now? One camp looks distinctly happier than the other.
Those close to Leanne Wood are worried; I'd go as far as to say pessimistic. They think there's a chance she'll be out in front after round one - the first choice as leader of more Plaid members than the other two - but that when it comes to counting second preferences, Elin Jones will cross the finishing line with some ease - and that's what's worrying them. Nothing will change, said one. It'll be business as usual, nothing new will go into the mix. That, they were clear, would be a bad thing. "She'll be Ieuan Mark 2" was one verdict from a senior Plaid source.
In the other camp there's increasing optimism - that Elin Jones (in a three legged race with Simon Thomas I suppose we should say) will finish first. They think she should be ahead on round one, safe after round two.
She will win, partly, because of people like the long-time member who stopped for a chat after Tuesday night's national hustings at that posh hotel in Cardiff. "My heart says Leanne but my head says Elin" he said. Add people like him to Elin Jones' core support and she should - on paper - win.
If she doesn't, said one worried and senior supporter, then we'll be in big trouble. Leanne Wood sounds good, looks good on paper but where's the substance? Let the other parties at her and just watch her economic policies being exposed.
Then they turned all culinary and Reganesque. It's like fancying a burger - looks tasty but when you bite into it, you're left asking 'where's the beef?' His metaphor won't go down well with camp Wood. That he at least remains worried enough to use it, will.
Hustings have been for party members and party members only. That membership has grown to nearly 8000 and Plaid reckon some 2000 of them will been out to their local community centre or hall to listen to what the three contenders have to say. They are pleased - even more pleased when the three make it clear, as they do, that they would be more than happy to work under the eventual winner.
"What are your opponents' greatest strengths?" asked one member at the hustings in Cardiff a few days ago. The answer, from all three, amounted to 'too many to mention'.
The Chief Executive heaved a sigh of relief.
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Comment number 1.
dispozest23rd February 2012 - 15:56
Betsan - given all the other important issues facing Wales, you seem to be giving this subject an untenable amount of coverage!
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Crossroads23rd February 2012 - 16:12
Can't help feeling sorry for the three of them.
The "Forlorn Hope Trio" look like they've lost their way and should be in different parties.
Leanne in Labour
Elin Jones in Lib Dems
And Dai ET in the Tories (!)
Though as Plaid Cymru plunge into obscurity, our 3 candidates would
do well to consider such party changes.
Hiding to nothing springs to mind !
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Lyn David Thomas23rd February 2012 - 17:04
The leadership of one of the major parties in Wales is of importance, and it has due weight here, however there are other topics that have been discussed. Just because some people believe their own propaganda that Plaid is irrelevant is no reason to play down the significance of the leadership election.
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Indy201023rd February 2012 - 18:03
LDT on that reasoning can we have a debate about the leader of the Jedi Knights in Wales.
If PC has 8000 members or 0.26% of the population, when the 2001 census put Jedi Knights at 0.8% of population.
There are some serious political answers needed from the current WG on a number of issues which are being airbrushed while the internal strife of PC leadership is being aired.
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TellingmewhatIknowalready23rd February 2012 - 18:11
Whoever wins this race it matters not a jot to the vast majority (90%)of welsh people who wish to stay in the family of UK,however I hope Leanne Wood wins as she would finish PC in about 5 years with her left wing ideas,which are most suited to North Korea. For the sake of historical record the term 'where's the beef',was first used in political terms in a debate between Mondale and Hart in 1984..
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