Scottish independence: Leaders disagree on future of immigration

Sign The Scottish government has proposed a different post-independence immigration policy to that of the UK

Party leaders have set out differing visions of Scotland's future immigration policy, ahead of the independence referendum.

First Minister Alex Salmond said he wanted a policy to attract skilled workers and keep Scots in the country.

Liberal Democrat leader Willie Rennie raised concerns about the Common Travel Area.

The Scottish government plans to continue membership of the passport-free travel area with the UK.

Opponents of independence have argued that Scotland would be required to pursue a similar immigration policy to the UK if it wanted to stay in the Common Travel Area.

The UK government has pledged to reduce net migration to under 100,000.

In its White Paper on independence, the Scottish government argued that Scotland's workforce was not projected to grow as rapidly as in the UK as whole.

"Scotland's population needs are therefore different to the rest of the UK and Scotland has a clear economic rationale for growing our population - in particular our working age population," it reads.

'Opportunities'

If Scots vote for independence in the referendum on 18 September, the Scottish government has proposed a points based system to attract skilled workers and a post-study work visa for students.

Mr Salmond told BBC One Scotland's Sunday Politics that growing the population included retaining Scots who currently leave for other parts of the UK or overseas.

"There are 30,000 younger people leave Scotland every year at the present moment, many of whom want to travel the world no doubt, but many many of whom have to go in search of lifetime and job opportunities," he said.

"The net migration figure takes account of the job opportunities that will be available to these 30,000 who we can ill afford to lose, as well as saying: look, it's a good thing if people of skill and ability want to come and stay and contribute to our country.

"But the difference between net migration and immigration is very important."

He said the proposed policy would not prevent an independent Scotland being part of the passport-free Common Travel Area, claiming the Republic of Ireland and the Isle of Man operated different immigration policies from the UK at present.

'Broadly similar'

Mr Rennie said: "You could see people coming to Scotland, with a more liberal approach that I wouldn't necessarily be against, and then travelling down south to take up work.

"And you can imagine that the rest of the United Kingdom might want to have a different immigration policy".

He said the Republic of Ireland and the Isle of Man had "broadly similar immigration policies" to the UK, "otherwise it would be a problem".

As part of the UK, he said, "we have broad economic shoulders with a working population to be able to support the ageing population".

In contrast Mr Salmond, he claimed, had "incoherent plans that would cause chaos".

Recent figures from the Office for National Statistics showed net migration into the UK increased by more than 38% to 243,000 in 2013-14, though the UK government claimed its migration target could still be achieved.

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    18:01: Bye for now Rachael Connors BBC Scotland News

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  2.  
    17:56: Some Tory MPs object David Porter Westminster correspondent

    The BBC's Westminster correspondent David Porter told BBC Radio Scotland's Newsdrive programme not all MPs are pleased with Lord Smith's proposals.

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    He said, overall, most MPs feel that following the Scottish independence referendum it is right for further devolution.

    But many Conservative MPs have highlighted there are regions of England that would like devolution and raised the West Lothian question.

     
  3.  
    17:53: Now for the big debate Brian Taylor Political editor, Scotland

    The work of the Smith Commission is over, but the debate over new powers continues.

    Politicians

    Read BBC Scotland political editor Brian Taylor's blog here.

     
  4.  
    17:45: Sturgeon's speech

    The first minister paid tribute to Lord Smith and welcomed the findings on new powers for the Scottish parliament.

    Nicola Sturgeon

    But Nicola Sturgeon went on to voice concerns that the powers do not equate to home rule but continued Westminster rule and said: "I think the package is disappointing."

    Watch her Holyrood speech here.

     
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    newsonlinescotland@bbc.co.uk 17:38: Your views

    Iain, Crieff (in response to David Munro): The "Better Together" alliance set forth a manifesto to be delivered in the event of a "No" vote. They explicitly sought a mandate for the "Vow" two days before polling. They did that. They got their mandate. They haven't delivered.

    Alyson, Aberdeenshire: The Smith Commission recommendations are a giant step towards independence.

    Joe: The only powers the SNP will be happy with is independence, their stance will always be that the Smith report doesn't go far enough - all very predictable.

    Barney, Paisley: I and many others didn't vote No to get more powers. Not what the referendum was for or about and the Smith Commission is symptomatic of the utter disregard of the political elite for the expressed wishes of the majority. Shameful.

     
  6.  
    17:27: SNP 'must keep their promise'

    Scottish Labour has called on the SNP to "keep their promise to the people of Scotland".

    Labour MSP James Kelly

    The party's infrastructure spokesman James Kelly MSP said: "The Scottish Parliament will be more powerful than almost any other devolved administration in the world, with responsibility for raising over 60% of the money it will spend.

    "We must realise, however, that the Scottish Parliament has powers to tackle poverty and grow our economy now. We could ban rip-off rent rises and extend the living wage to more workers on low pay. It is disappointing that the Programme for Government has not delivered on this.

    "The promise of more powers has been delivered. It has been exceeded. It is now time for the SNP to deliver on their promise to pursue social justice for Scotland."

     
  7.  
    17:18: Miliband: 'We have listened'

    The Labour leader, Ed Miliband, has said plans announced to grant new powers to the Scottish parliament represent the fulfilment of the promise made to the Scottish people.

    ed miliband

    Mr Miliband said: "We think it's right to give more powers to the Scottish parliament. We said that during the referendum campaign. We vowed to the people of Scotland that we would do that - including on income tax.

    "I think the task now is to change the way we are governed more generally. Not just in Scotland but in England and Wales as well, but I think it's the right thing to do.

    "We've listened to people, we've listened to the people of Scotland just like we're listening to the people of England and Wales about them wanting more power over their own lives."

     
  8.  
    17:09: Lord Smith: It's a good deal

    Lord Smith says the deal on further powers for the Scottish Parliament is "a good deal", especially as all five main parties in Scotland agreed to it.

    Lord Smith

    The chair of the Smith Commission, tasked with delivering further devolved powers to Holyrood, told BBC Scotland's political editor Brian Taylor that the agreement was historic and said: "I think it's a good deal and the important thing is, everybody signed."

    Watch the full interview here.

     
  9.  
    16:59: 'Herding cats'

    The Campaign for Scottish Home Rule told BBC Radio Scotland's Newsdrive programme the Smith Commission's proposals are a "good start in the right direction" but fall short of home rule.

    Steering group chairman Ben Thomson said: "It must have been like herding cats to get five different political powers to agree on this compromise of giving up some more powers. But that's exactly what it is; it is a compromise of offering some more powers.

    Campaign for Scottish home rule The campaign has support from political parties, business and civic Scotland

    "It is not home rule where Scotland gets the necessary levers for tax and welfare, to handle things which Scotland is responsible for, like the alleviation of poverty or getting people back in to jobs."

    Mr Thomson said the plans fall short in two areas in welfare and tax . He said: "Westminster is responsible for about £14.4bn worth of pensions in Scotland, this has transferred about £2.5bn to Scotland.

    "In terms of taxes, it's about 38% of what Scotland spent is now in Scotland's hands to raise in tax."

     
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    Email: newsonlinescotland@bbc.co.uk 16:42: Your Views

    David Munro: No one has was given a mandate to propose new powers to appease the YeSNP mob. The ballot paper asked a very simple question, which was answered clearly by the moderate majority who voted NO! This will only further fragment our society and create more divisions that have been created by the SNP! Division - Salmond's legacy!

     
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    Text 80295 16:41: Your reaction

    Tim, Largs: No power to stop benefit sanctions, one of the biggest causes of rise in food banks. Overall Smith falls well short of Brown's referendum vow and has yet to get through Westminster Parliament.

    Catherine: Feel sad about all this. I didn't vote No to get more powers or have income tax increased. Feel that Scotland is drifting away from the rest of the UK and the sad thing is I feel that those who live south of the border don't really care anymore. Tragic.

    Alan, Cupar: Darling and Brown promised 'home rule' and 'as close to federalism as you can get'...the Smith Commission has fallen a long way short of that...and the UK parliament still has to vote on the proposals!

     
  12.  
    16:35: Islands back Crown Estate switch

    The leaders of Scotland's three islands councils have welcome plans to transfer the Crown Estate's current responsibility for the foreshore and seabed to the Scottish parliament.

    shtland isles

    Orkney Islands Council convener Steven Heddle said: "Devolution of the Crown Estate's assets will give us the ability to ensure development in our waters is sustainable and delivers the maximum benefits for our communities."

    Angus Campbell, leader of Comhairle nan Eilean Siar, said: "The Comhairle has long made the case that Crown Estate revenues should be retained in Scotland and that local communities should be the beneficiaries of income derived from seabed and foreshore developments."

    Gary Robinson, leader of Shetland Islands Council, backed the transfer of Air Passenger Duty and added: "Further control by the Scottish Parliament over home energy efficiency schemes will reduce the scale of fuel poverty in our islands."

     
  13.  
    16:24: Iain Gray: 'A transformational package'

    Iain Gray MSP, who represented the Scottish Labour party on the Smith Commision, told BBC Radio Scotland's Newsdrive programme: "This is the vow delivered, it's the promise kept and in many ways it goes much further than that."

    He said, "It is a transformational package of powers over tax and welfare and really I think any government, any politician seeing these powers coming to them should be excited about the possibilities, to give them the powers to do what we're all in politics to do - to make Scotland prosper, help the vulnerable in society."

    Iain Gray

    Mr Gray criticised the SNP's response to the report and said: "The people of Scotland want the government to tell them what they can do, rather than constantly telling us what they can't do."

     
  14.  
    16:20: Law Society: 'Major new powers'

    President of the Law Society, Alistair Morris, said the proposals offered by the Smith Commission offer Scotland "a radically enhanced constitutional settlement" with "major new powers" over the money which is raised directly by the Scottish Government.

    Judges The Law Society welcomes the Smith Commission proposals

    "We are particularly pleased to see that reserved tribunals, such as employment tribunals, are to be devolved. This will undoubtedly benefit those seeking recourse through the administrative justice system."

    The Law Society also said it welcomes proposals for Scottish ministers to be fully involved in agreeing the UK position in EU negotiations relating to devolved policy matters.

     
  15.  
    16:15: CPAG: 'Real opportunity'

    The Child Poverty Action Group in Scotland responded to the Commission's report by saying new powers must be used to prevent child poverty.

    The Director of CPAG in Scotland, John Dickie, said: "Powers over disability benefits and the ability to create and top up wider benefits create real opportunities to ensure financial support for families keeps pace with the actual cost of living.

    Children in Glasgow

    "Nevertheless key levers for tackling poverty, including the national minimum wage, child benefit and wider economic and fiscal powers, remain at Westminster."

    Mr Dickie welcomed specific recommendations that the Scottish government will be given administrative powers over Universal Credit payment options and the power to vary the housing costs element of the new UK benefit.

     
  16.  
    16:05: Fracking

    WWF Scotland is calling on ministers to utilise new powers to stop fracking and other unconventional gas developments in Scotland.

    Lump of shale Hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, is a technique designed to recover gas and oil from shale rock

    Director Lang Banks said: "We call on the Scottish government to make use of its new powers to protect communities and our climate by keeping these fossil fuels in the ground and unburned."

    Mr Banks also warned that Air Passenger Duty is currently the only tax on the air transport industry, and "any subsequent changes must reflect the significant amount of our emissions that come from flying."

     
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    15:56: APD 'choking' Scots airline industry

    Inglis Lyon, Managing Director of Highlands and Islands Airports Limited (HIAL) welcomes the Smith Commission's proposals to devolve Air Passenger Duty to Scotland.

    He said :"Although flights departing from the Highlands and Islands are exempt from APD, the tax does apply to cross border flights into Inverness, which account for 87% of its passenger traffic, and to arriving and departing flights at Dundee.

    Inverness Airport

    "APD also applies to flights from Aberdeen, Edinburgh and Glasgow into the Highlands and Islands. The impact of this tax is therefore felt right across regional Scotland."

    Mr Lyon continued: "I have no doubt that APD is a barrier for business and tourism in Scotland, and this is evidenced by detailed research which confirms that APD is choking the recovery of the airline industry in Scotland.

    "I believe it is right that decisions on how, and indeed whether, to apply such a tax should be made here in Scotland."

     
  18.  
    15:51: The small print

    Stephen Daisley, political journalist at STV News, tweets: Lighthouses! Road signs! Royal fishing! Eight curious new powers buried in the #SmithCommission small print http://bit.ly/1uM08ia

     
  19.  
    15:46: Findlay: 'Make it work'

    Scottish Labour leadership hopeful Neil Findlay called on all parties to "accept the Smith findings and work at making them law".

    Neil Findlay

    Mr Findlay said: "But more important than that is being aware that it's not the devolution of powers that represents progress, it is using those powers to change people's lives."

    The MSP for Lothian said, if elected leader, his plans would include building 50,000 houses for social rent, moving people from a minimum to a living wage, expanding childcare places and giving communities the power to say no to fracking if they want to."

     
  20.  
    15:42: Your Tweets

    Christine Jardine: The vow has been delivered and more thanks @scotlibdems

    The Ranter 2012: I've heard from a good source that we have powers over all vat revenue of ginger and tartan wigs. #smithcommision

     
  21.  
    15:38: Community welcomes proposals

    The Community Trade Union - which has its roots in the steel communities of South Wales, Scotland and northern England and the textile towns of the Midlands - has welcomed the Smith Commission proposals.

    John Park, Assistant General Secretary of Community, commented: "These are radical proposals, which rightly respect the outcome of the referendum and the desire of all parties to see more decisions taken directly in Scotland.

    "The referendum demonstrated a massive demand for change in the way that Scotland is governed and the Smith Commission should be commended for answering that call. Importantly, the report has also avoided firing the starting gun in a race to the bottom that would hurt working people.

    "Essential safeguards for workers, such as the minimum wage, have been protected."

     
  22.  
    #smithcommission Tory trap?

    Author and Yes campaigner Alan Bissett tweets: Is anyone on No side remembering that none other than Gordon Brown himself called the devolution of income tax a 'Tory trap'. Anyone...?

     
  23.  
    15:15: 'Falls far short'

    Linda Fabiani, the East Kilbride MSP, was one of the SNP members on the Smith Commission. She says the powers to be transferred are not sufficient.

    Linda Fabiani

    Ms Fabiani said: "It falls far short of the vow and the promises that were made. Because what we are talking about here is having power over less than 30 per cent of the tax for Scotland, less than 20 per cent of the welfare budget."

    "So it's certainly not what was talked about as home rule."

     
  24.  
    15:05: 'Right thing to do'

    The Chief Secretary to the Treasury, Danny Alexander, said the Smith commission proposals "are the right thing to do".

    Danny Alexander

    "It's part of a plan that we have today, which for the first time means that we will have home rule for Scotland within the United Kingdom, something that we, as Lib Dems, have campaigned on for a long time," he said.

    Mr Alexander added: "What you have is taxes like income tax which are proposed to be fully devolved, all of the income tax raised in Scotland will go towards helping to pay for the public services that are delivered by the Scottish parliament."

     
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    14:58: English airports 'disadvantaged'

    A MP from the north of England says he fears that the new powers to be granted to the Scottish parliament could have a detrimental effect on English regional airports.

    Phil Wilson, Labour MP for Sedgefied, told the BBC that allowing Holyrood to set air passenger duty could disadvantage airports in the north of England.

    Newcastle International Airport There are fears Newcastle International Airport could lose customers

    Mr Wilson continued: "The Scottish National Party's policy on all of this is to cut air passenger duty and this will give an incentive to people to travel to Edinburgh to fly or to Scottish airports to fly, rather than go from Newcastle or Manchester.

    "And I know Ed Balls has actually written to George Osborne today to say that look, you know, regional airports - especially in the northeast of England - and the northwest, shouldn't be disadvantaged by these moves."

     
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    14:49: Your reaction

    Michael Heron: The #SmithCommision isn't about making Yes people happy, it's about trying to placate No voters - and they *want* to convince themselves.

    KillTheWavesJoe: Scotland still very much attached to runaway train of Westminster, as it hurtles toward the social cliff. #SmithCommision

    Ian Young: What exactly are these 'job creating powers' that John Swinney wants? #SmithCommision

    DJ Johnston-Smith: Quite certain that 30% tax & 15% of welfare powers can't justly be claimed to be "as close to a federal state as you can be" #SmithCommision

     
  27.  
    14:45: Only fools rush in

    Dr Alan Renwick, author of 'After the Referendum: Options for a Constitutional Convention' has said the Smith Commission's report makes it "even more important" to resolve the governance issues facing the rest of the UK.

    Rushing in to 'English votes for English laws', or remaining with the status quo would be wrong, he said.

    Union flags MPs from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland could be barred from voting on England-only matters

    "The risk is that the UK ends up with a system which has not been properly thought through, leading to as many losers as winners. Political leaders would be handing over even more ammunition to the critics, such as UKIP", he said.

    Mr Renwick continued: "Proper, detailed examination of all the options, and their likely effects, is needed. The best way to do this would be through a constitutional convention that allows ordinary British people to participate in the forging of a new constitutional settlement for the UK as a whole."

     
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    14:26: Options for England

    The leader of the Commons, William Hague, has told MPs that the government will publish a command paper before Christmas on the options for England, following the Smith commission report.

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    Mr Hague said there would be proper debate and scrutiny of the Smith proposals.

     
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    14:19: Your Tweets

    Ruth Wishart: Constitutional Convention. Calman Commisison. Smith Commission. Evolution, not revolution, but maybe same destination. #smithcommision

    Matthew Riley: Hope no one is buying that #smithcommision is near what the Scottish people want. Just recommendations & barely more than Scotland Act 2012.

    Christopher Silver: It's a potentially catastrophic approach for unionist parties to see #smithcommision as a line in the sand in advance of #ge2015

     
  30.  
    14:09: Smith Commission: In quotes

    The proposals revealed by Lord Kelvin this morning have been met with a mixed reaction.

    Lord Kelvin with Commission report

    Find out what everyone from politicians, trade unions, business groups and charities have been saying here.

     
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    Text 80295 14:00: Your Thoughts

    Mike Thomson, Uddingston: Interesting that Westminster will retain all oil and gas revenues, albeit they persistently talked down the value and benefit of such revenues in the weeks and months leading up to the referendum.

    Frank, Shetland: What a disappointment. I have to agree with the new first minister. The voters will decide. It's a mix off very little. Where is the can-do spirit?

    Fergus, Aberdeenshire: Smith sounds like a tax raising charter. Something i didn't vote for when I voted No.

    John, Airdrie: How sadly predictable the SNP are disappointed with the Smith Commission. For the good of our country they are going to need to get over the referendum result. We said no. Accept it and get on with running the country as per the settled will of the people.

     
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    13:53: Reaction on Facebook

    Over on our BBC Scotland News Facebook page we're also getting your views on the Smith Commission proposals.

    Prentice Baines says: "I thought we were promised 'extensive new powers' to the effect of 'home rule'?"

    Les Mason says: "Air Passenger Duty is welcome. Hopefully allow us to make Scottish airports more competitive and negate the need to always route through Heathrow/Gatwick."

     
  33.  
    13:45: At a glance

    So what is in the Smith Commission report?

    Smith Commission

    Here is a recap on the main points from the report, which can be read in full here.

     
  34.  
    13:38: Poverty fight 'goes on'

    Shelter Scotland welcomed powers to abolish the so-called bedroom tax.

    Demonstration at Glasgow Green

    Director Graeme Brown said: "It is critical that the new powers for the Scottish Parliament are used to tackle poverty and inequality generally and poor housing and homelessness specifically.

    "There is a long way to go before these proposals become a reality for people across Scotland and our priority remains helping Scotland's most vulnerable tackle bad housing and homelessness."

     
  35.  
    13:28: Are Scotland's new powers fair? Robert Peston Economics editor

    The Smith commission has apparently made some huge decisions.

    But possibly the most important economic decisions relating to Scotland's new powers, on the size of the grant Scotland will receive in future and how much it can borrow, are yet to be taken.

    Read my blog on whether the new tax spending powers to be devolved to Scotland are fair.

     
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    13:23: 'Not enough welfare'

    Disabled people's organisation Inclusion Scotland welcomed plans to devolve control over disability benefits and the Work Programme.

    Man in wheelchair waiting for bus

    But the group said it is disappointed that the commission failed to devolve all welfare and more fiscal powers to Scotland.

    Bill Scott, Inclusion Scotland's policy director, said: "We consulted with hundreds of disabled people and their near unanimous view was that we needed Devo Max, including the devolution of all welfare benefits.

    "However, we are pleased that the Scottish Government should get more control over employability schemes. This cluster of powers has the potential to make a real difference to Scots disabled people's lives."

     
  37.  
    #smithcommission 13:17: Reaction on twitter

    Dave Murchison: Unionist parties in Scot. Parl. telling Sturgeon to basically shut up and accept that's all Scotland is getting. #indyscot #smithcommission

    Peter A Russell: Smith Commission was @theSNP 's chance to unite Scots around new settlement. They have blown it, and failed Scotland. To their eternal shame.

    Grant McKenzie: #smithcommission is only recommendations! @jackiebmsp, you need to learn the difference between the process and having delivered

    Sam Ghibaldan: The #SmithCommission, which included the SNP, has gone well beyond #TheVow. The SNP should remember people rejected independence #FMQs

     
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    13:09: Clegg: Over to you, Scotland

    Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg hailed the Smith Commission's recommendations as "The Vow Max".

    Nick Clegg

    He told the BBC: "Myself, David Cameron, Ed Miliband made this vow that more powers would be handed to Scotland.

    "We've not only delivered on that vow, on the timetable that we said, we've over-delivered on it - it's 'Vow Max', if you like."

    Mr Clegg added: "And now we will have a Scottish parliament which can raise the majority of the money that is spent in Scotland, you have a welfare system for Scotland.

    "It won't ask anything more of English taxpayers - anything that the Scottish government wants to do now or in the future will have to be paid for in Scotland itself. I think that is a sensible settlement and I back it, and I back it fully."

     
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    13:04: 'Be smart with tax'

    Andy Willox, Scottish policy convenor of the Federation of Small Businesses (FSB), said the proposals "seek to bridge the gap between the spending power of the Scottish parliament and the health of the country's private sector".

    Man working at machine

    He added: "We know that our members' preferred course of action in the event of a 'No' vote was a Scottish Parliament with more powers, and today's agreement certainly moves in that direction.

    "No matter how the Scottish Parliament chooses to use new powers, we cannot see a new administrative burden fall on Scottish businesses, or firms who trade or employ north of the border.

    "We must develop smart tax and regulatory systems which take the administrative sting out of any changes for the business community."

     
  40.  
    12:57: Hosie: 'No powerhouse parliament'

    Deputy SNP leader Stewart Hosie tweets: The #smithcommission proposals are welcome as far as they go... But they will NOT deliver the powerhouse parliament promised. #VoteSNP

    Stewart Hosie
     
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    12:53: Glasgow Airport reaction

    Amanda McMillan, managing director of Glasgow Airport, said: "We welcome the findings of the Smith Commission which has recommended the devolvement of Air Passenger Duty (APD) to the Scottish Parliament.

    Glasgow Airport departures lounge

    "APD is the highest form of aviation tax in the world and it is important it is devolved and reformed as soon as possible.

    "APD is a damaging, regressive tax which in addition to dissuading airlines from adding new routes, makes it extremely challenging to maintain existing services.

    "Having full control of APD will play a major role in strengthening Scotland's connectivity and provide yet a further boost to our burgeoning tourism industry."

     
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    12:38: 'Time to heal divisions'

    Alistair Carmichael says today represents "a time to heal the divisions, to bring the people of Scotland together".

    alistair carmichael

    He adds: "We had a vote and we said we would deliver change. We have now told the people of Scotland today what that change will be.

    "It's time to get together and use the powers that the Scottish Parliament has, and will get, and to use them for the good of the Scottish people and the Scottish economy."

     
  43.  
    12:37: Nicola Sturgeon at FMQs

    At First Minister's Questions earlier, Nicola Sturgeon said the proposals fall short of genuine home rule, which she says was promised ahead of the independence referendum.

    Nicola Sturgeon

    Ms Sturgeon added it was her belief that the opinion of the Scottish people would be the powers are not enough, and that they will show that at the next election.

     
  44.  
    Smith Commission at FMQs Douglas Fraser Business and economy editor, Scotland

    Nicola Sturgeon at FMQs: says she would raise top tax to 50%, if she could now. Cites Scottish Trade UnionCongress and SCVO disappointment at Smith Commission.

     
  45.  
    Carmichael's claim Tim Reid Political correspondent, BBC News

    SNP disputing Carmichael's claims that more than 50 % of revenue spent will be raised by Scottish Parliament.

     
  46.  
    12:30: Abortion devolution

    Labour MP Sandra Osborne, in the House of Commons debate, backs the decision not to immediately recommend the devolution of abortion powers "which would have caused all sorts of problems".

    sandra osborne

    Mr Carmichael, in response, said: "There is a clear statement that it is considered by the commissioners to be an anomalous situation and I can understand why they take that view.

    "However, we have always dealt with abortion differently - we have always made it the subject of a free vote in this house.

    "And I think the compromise they reached in the commission to have a recognition of the anomaly that currently exists but saying a new process will have to be devised in order to deal with that is a sensible one."

     
  47.  
    12:28: 'Positive and exciting'

    Annabel Goldie also spoke to the BBC News Channel earlier. She was one of the representatives on the Smith Commission for the Scottish Conservatives.

    She said: "It was challenging. You'd expect robust discussion, from five different parties, in many respect with quite disparate views.

    Annabel Goldie

    She said: "I thought it was a measure of the commitment to Scotland and Scotland's future, that we managed to bang our heads together, iron out the differences, because we wanted to come out with an agreed position and I'm delighted that's what we've managed to do.

    "A very positive position, a very exciting position, for the future of Scotland."

     
  48.  
    Smith Commission at FMQs Douglas Fraser Business and economy editor, Scotland

    FMQs at Holyrood: rarely can there have been such a stairheid rammy about a consensus. #smithcommission

    Nicola Sturgeon at FMQs quotes IEA saying Smith Commission is a "dangerous half-way house". (It then warns blame game continues, more tax and red tape).

     
  49.  
    12:26: 'This is home rule for Scotland'

    Michael Moore, speaking on the BBC News Channel earlier, said: "This is home rule for Scotland. We have got a substantial package of financial measures coming to the Scottish parliament. It will raise something like 60% of the spending that its responsible for, in taxes directly or indirectly.

    Michael Moore

    "It has also got the beginnings of separate Scottish welfare system that builds on the social union from the cradle to the grave but also roots Scotland still very firmly within the UK; particularly that matters for job and wealth creation."

    "But we have devolved substantial powers to assist people getting to work to the Scottish parliament."

     
  50.  
    Tim Reid Political correspondent, BBC News

    Stewart Hosie: Proposals to not reflect the powerhouse parliament many thought they had been promised #smithcommission

     
  51.  
    Tweet using #smithcommission 12:24: Your reaction on Twitter

    Sean McPartlin: Coalition line: "This is Home Rule for Scotland" - either means they are daft, or they think we are. #smithcommission

    Calum Findlay: At least we get 100% control of speed limits and road signs! #smithcommission

    Mark Bolsover: #smithcommission whilst their are *some* positives (e.g. change of franchise for 16/17 yr olds), the, frankly, obfuscatory checks make it seem like a maintenance of the status quo, couched in apparently well-meaning platitudes...

    Kirstein Rummery: #smithcommission achieved cross party consensus - that is actually a *huge* achievement. Wish all politics looked like this

     
  52.  
    12:23: What about England?

    Conservative MP Andrew Percy, in the House of Commons debate on the Smith Commission, says people in England are "getting the fluffy end of the lollipop."

    Andrew Percy
     
  53.  
    12:22: On Radio Scotland John Beattie BBC Scotland

    On air on BBC Radio Scotland - what do you think of the conclusions of the Smith Commission report?

    You can text me on 80295.

     
  54.  
    12:15: Vow 'delivered'

    Jackie Baillie MSP, who is standing in at First Minister's Questions until the Scottish Labour Party finds a new leader, says the vow made to people of Scotland ahead of the referendum has been delivered ahead of schedule.

     
  55.  
    12:12: Proposals 'underwhelming'

    Scottish Socialist Party (SSP) national spokesperson Colin Fox says that Smith proposals were "underwhelming" and did nothing to tackle key problems facing working people.

    Mr Fox said: "As tax raising powers are devolved the block grant to Holyrood will fall leaving power still very much in London's hands.

    "On key problems facing thousands of Scots it has no real answer. No new power to tackle fuel poverty, introduce a desperately needed wage of £10 an hour or tackle the scandal of zero hours contracts.

    "What the commission shows is the stark reality between its tinkering and spin and the failure to address the crying needs for jobs, fair pay and real change.

    "It will not settle the increasing demand for independence reflected in public opinion since September 18th and underlines the SSP's view that independence has not been defeated but deferred."

     
  56.  
    12:10: Business sectors reaction to commission Douglas Fraser Business and economy editor, Scotland

    Free market Institute of Economic Affairs says the Smith deal "dangerous 1/2-way house". Blame game goes on, with the prospect of more regulation and higher tax.

    Brad Mackay, of the Edinburgh University Business School, says business leaders don't want single market disrupted and would prefer Holyrood to keep tax rates consistent with UK.

    Meanwhile, Scottish Retailers say more devolution is not an end in itself, adding: "Priority is simple, make it easier and less costly for firms to invest, grow and hire"

     
  57.  
    12:10: Sturgeon on Smith Commission

    Nicola Sturgeon, in First Minister's Questions, asks how Labour has managed to find itself on same side as Conservatives and on different side from STUC over Smith proposals.

    She points to comments from various charities and unions which have expressed disappointment over what is on offer and says there are no powers to create jobs.

     
  58.  
    12:06: FMQs Graham Fraser BBC Scotland

    If you want to watch First Minister's Questions, where MSPs are discussing the Smith Commission, you can do so on the 'Live Coverage' tab of this page or follow it on the BBC's live blog and video of the Scottish Parliament.

     
  59.  
    12:04: 'The Vow Plus'

    Labour MP Dame Anne Begg describes the Smith recommendations as "The Vow Plus".

    dame anne begg

    But she adds: "It is quite right that pensions, and in particular state pensions, should remain reserved as there is no doubt that throughout the referendum campaign and polling that voters, and indeed Yes voters, wanted it to remain within the UK."

     
  60.  
    11:59: #SmithCommission trending

    Reaction on Twitter going wild for the Smith Commission.

    Smith Commission trending

    It was the 8th most tweeted about topic in UK, and 5th most tweeted about in Scotland.

     
  61.  
    Wishart 'disappointed' Tim Reid Political correspondent, BBC News

    tweets: SNP's Pete Wishart gets a cheer from MPs for uttering the word "welcome" to #smithcommission, but goes on to say Scotland is "disappointed"

    Pete Wishart in statement debate

    Carmichael to Wishart: "It's about time he and his party came to terms with their loss" in the referendum vote #smithcommission

     
  62.  
    11:57: Once in a generation

    Shadow Scottish Secretary Alistair Carmichael again says the independence referendum should be accepted as a once in a generation vote.

    He adds: "Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon said they would respect the outcome of the referendum. There is absolutely no reason from today for them to do anything other than make it clear that we will not be returning to this question in a referendum in a generation."

     
  63.  
    11:56: Welfare

    Mr Carmichael says the new powers will allow Scotland to design "a welfare system that is fit for purpose".

     
  64.  
    11:54: Fears over a rushed job

    Conservative MP Sir Edward Leigh added: "If we rush this we are at risk of throwing petrol on the embers of English resentment."

    Sir Edward Leigh
     
  65.  
    11:52: Greater separation

    Conservative MP Andrew Robathan, in the debate on the Smith Commission in the House of Commons, says Scotland voted "against spiteful nationalist" but Smith Commission proposals will deliver greater UK separation.

     
  66.  
    11:49: Murphy on welfare powers

    Scottish Labour leadership candidate Jim Murphy says new welfare powers are "just as crucial" to Scotland as new tax powers.

    He asks Mr Carmichael in the House of Commons to confirm that he wants to see devolution of those powers "at a pace and in a manner which will enable Scotland to challenge poverty and the generational disadvantage that blights far too many families".

     
  67.  
    Tweet using #smithcommission 11:47: Your Reaction

    Jim Roberton: Alistair Carmichael produces the Daily Record to support his argument on Smith. A lie, supported by another lie, does not make your case.

    Dick Winchester: Alistair Carmichael now trying to drive a wedge between @JohnSwinney and other MSPs/SNP members. It won't work.

     
  68.  
    11:45: Nick Robinson's Analysis Nick Robinson Political editor

    'If you think today's constitutional changes are only about Scotland, think again.

    Lord Smith

    'If you think they mark the end of a process of change, think again.

    'If you think they will end the debate about Scottish independence, think again.'

    Read Nick's blog.

     
  69.  
    11:44: 'Great day for democracy'

    Labour MP Graham Allen, chairman of the political and constitutional reform committee, says: "This is a great day for democracy. What's good enough for Scotland is good enough for England."

    Graham Allen
     
  70.  
    11:42: Votes of Scottish MPs

    Conservative MP John Redwood asks Mr Carmichael if he agrees that once Scotland is determining its own income tax rates in the Scottish parliament, it would be "quite wrong for Scottish members of this parliament to fix the bands and rates for the English".

    John Redwood

    Mr Carmichael says: "Income tax remains a tax that is shared between the two parliaments.".

    Some Tory MPs respond with cries of "rubbish".

     
  71.  
    11:38: Repercussions in Wales

    First Minister of Wales Carwyn Jones says it would now be discriminatory if air passenger duty was not devolved to Wales like it is in Scotland.

    Carwyn Jones, FM of Wales First Minister of Wales Carwyn Jones

    Plaid Cymru meanwhile, have welcomed the Smith Commission but says it doesn't fulfil the 'vow' made in the last days of the referendum campaign.

     
  72.  
    11:33: Free Church reaction

    The Free Church of Scotland has welcomed the Smith Commission proposal to allow 16 and 17-year-olds to vote in future Scottish elections and the beginning of a process to devolve abortion.

    James Fraser CBE, chairman of the Free Church's Board of Trustees, commented: "We are pleased that the Smith Commission is recommending that young people aged 16 and upwards be able to vote in future Scottish elections.

    Young voter

    "This was an interesting by-product of the referendum debate, and it is excellent that it will now become a permanent feature of politics in Scotland. It will hopefully go a considerable way to maintaining the momentum of the political debate."

    On the issue of abortion, Mr Fraser added: "We are also pleased that the Smith Commission has put the devolving of abortion powers on the table. We are completely at a loss to think of any good reason for devolving health on the one hand, but reserving abortion policy on the other."

     
  73.  
    Email: newsonlinescotland@bbc.co.uk 11:31: Your views

    Graeme, Glasgow: We need to remember that nobody voted for the findings of the Smith Commission. It may be that they reflect the wishes of the Scottish people but until they are asked we can never know. The changes proposed are far too significant to be imposed on the Scottish people by a cross-party group of politicians who all want more powers to Scotland to increase their own influence.

    Wilma Davidson: Interesting to read this morning about the recommendations of the Smith Commission. Disappointed to see there has been no discussion throughout this whole process of The Scottish Six, or broadcasting in Scotland in general. Scotland needs more local news and current affairs produced here in Scotland, for Scotland.

     
  74.  
    11:30: Carmichael on job creation

    Mr Carmichael responds to Mr Hosie's claim, saying: "There are significant job creating powers and the Scottish parliament already holds significant job creating powers."

     
  75.  
    Cameron's plan Tim Reid Political correspondent, BBC News

    tweets: PM on Smith Commission: "Report makes the case for English votes for English laws unanswerable". Says proposals published before Christmas.

    He also states that the Smith Commission will achieve a "better balance in the UK".

     
  76.  
    11:26: Hosie wanted job creating powers

    SNP deputy leader Stewart Hosie says he notes the absence of "further substantive job creating powers" in the Smith recommendations.

    Stewart Hosie
     
  77.  
    Payday loans Lucy Adams BBC Scotland

    tweets: #smithcommission Scottish Parliament will have the power to prevent proliferation of Payday Loan shops

     
  78.  
    11:23: Darling's reaction

    Better Together leader Alistair Darling welcomes the recommendations but asks Alistair Carmichael to "ensure he does nothing to undermine the strength and integrity of the United Kingdom".

    Alistair Darling
     
  79.  
    11:21: Proposals 'will happen'

    The Scottish Secretary says the Smith recommendations will be implemented "without hesitation, without reservation and without equivocation".

    Alistair Carmichael
     
  80.  
    11:19: Carmichael praises compromise

    Mr Carmichael pays tribute to the Scottish Labour party for the "compromises and progress they have made".

     
  81.  
    11:18: Guarantees on budget

    Responding to Mr Carmichael in the House of Commons, Shadow Scottish Secretary Margaret Curran says: "We have secured Scottish guarantees over the voting rights on the budget."

    Margaret Curran
     
  82.  
    11:15: ICAS welcomes Commission

    ICAS, a professional body of Chartered Accountants, has welcomed the Smith Commission recommendations on further devolution to Scotland.

    Chief Executive Anton Colella said: "This is a huge moment for Scotland. With this significant transfer of powers comes major new responsibility for the Scottish Parliament.

    "We believe oversight of Government and the way the Parliament works must now be transformed. Scotland needs a new era of accountability, scrutiny and transparency to go in hand with our new financial powers."

    Coins and notes

    "This maintains the single UK market and we hope will provide the right conditions to grow business and prosperity in Scotland."

    ICAS also welcomed recommendations to improve collaboration between the Scottish and UK Governments.

     
  83.  
    11:13: Home rule

    Alistair Carmichael adds: "Having a more powerful Scottish parliament inside a strong United Kingdom will open the door to more constitutional change in the United Kingdom.

    "We can achieve home rule all round."

     
  84.  
    11:13: Historic moment

    Mr Carmichael says the Smith recommendations are "a significant achievement and a historic moment for Scotland and the United Kingdom".

     
  85.  
    11:08: Carmichael speech

    Scottish Secretary Alistair Carmichael has started speaking about the Smith Commission in the House of Commons.

    Alistair Carmichael

    He said: "We back the agreement and will produce draft legislation in January."

     
  86.  
    11:00: Murphy: Talk about action

    Jim Murphy adds: ""The Vow has been met. Let's now talk about values and actions."

    "I have set out very clearly what I will do if I am elected Scottish Labour leader and First Minister. I will ask the wealthiest few in Scotland to pay a little bit more tax so that we can support our small businesses and reduce poverty.

    "Nicola Sturgeon must say once and for all whether she would do the same."

     
  87.  
    10:58: Murphy: Time to deliver

    Scottish Labour leadership candidate Jim Murphy said the vow of more powers for the Scottish parliament has "not only been delivered but exceeded".

    Jim Murphy

    He said: "The days of political parties in Scotland promising the earth but blaming someone else for their failure to deliver are well and truly over. There will be no hiding place for those parties which preach social justice but duck for cover when called to act.

    "The terms of the political debate in Scotland have now changed entirely. No longer will we obsess about the delivery of powers. That question has been answered today. The debate now moves from powers to policy."

     
  88.  
    10:53: Keeping the vow

    David Cameron, speaking on the BBC News Channel, said: "I'm delighted with what's been announced, we are keeping our promises and we're keeping our United Kingdom together."

    David Cameron

    He added: "I always said a No vote didn't mean no change. Indeed we made a vow of further devolution to Scotland and today we show how we're keeping that vow, and will continue to keep that promise.

    "The Scottish parliament is going to have much more responsibility in terms of spending money, but it will also have to be accountable for how it raises taxes to fund that spending and I think that's a good thing.

    "I think the report today also makes the case for English votes for English laws unanswerable and we'll be taking action on that shortly.

    "It's a good day for the UK."

     
  89.  
    10:51: 'Maximise business growth'

    Liz Cameron, director and chief executive of the Scottish Chambers of Commerce, welcomed the Smith commission's recommendations to help "maximise business growth".

    Liz Cameron

    She said: "Time is of critical importance and our priority is to ensure that the Scottish business community is at the core of implementing these recommendations.

    "Now, the responsibility is on politicians to come together and focus their collective talents and skills to deliver upon these recommendations and create the new Scotland which has the right economic levers to support our businesses, which are the creators of jobs and wealth."

     
  90.  
    10:43: STUC 'underwhelmed'

    Grahame Smith, general secretary of the Scottish Trades Union Congress (STUC) said he was "underwhelmed" by the package of recommendations which "does not meet our aspirations".

    He added: "STUC continues to believe that control over employment law, equalities and minimum wages is a necessity if inequality is to be effectively challenged. We will continue to press for this.

    "The no detriment clause and retention of the Barnett Formula is to be welcomed but the proposals for further fiscal devolution do not go far enough. Without the key powers over inheritance and capital gains taxes, meaningful tax and land reform will be more difficult. "

     
  91.  
    10:35: Davidson: 'Real accountability'

    Ruth Davidson, the leader of the Scottish Conservatives, has endorsed the Smith commission's proposals.

    Ruth Davidson

    She said: "This is a plan which, for the first time since devolution, brings real accountability and real responsibility to the Scottish Parliament.

    "Future Scottish governments will have to look Scottish taxpayers in the eye when they are spending their money.

    "Successive administrations have been able to claim credit for public spending, and then blame Westminster when it runs out.

    "That now ends. The powers are there to do as they please."

     
  92.  
    Email newsonlinescotland@bbc.co.uk 10:33: Your Reaction

    Lee Wootton: It's 100% of income tax raised in Scotland Nicola, of course it's gonna remain shared or did you want control of all income tax in the UK cause that's the only way you were gonna get 100% of income tax! Scotland has gotten a good start here. Don't blow it for us by screaming about what we didn't get!

    Jacqueline Baird: I just knew it. Five minutes gone and the SNP have started already complaining. No matter what was on offer it was not going to be enough. The panel was made up to represent all of the Scottish people. The majority of people did not vote for independence. Scotland has a lot more than the ordinary working class people in the rest of the UK.

    Peter: Revise the Barnett formula in line with the outcome of this report. English and Welsh taxes for English and Welsh people. The People's Republic of Caledonia must live within its own means with no subsidies from the rest of the UK.

     
  93.  
    #smithcommission 10:30: Journalists' views

    Martin Kettle, of The Guardian: John Swinney sets out the SNP's Smith Commission as a betrayal narrative.

    Tom Gordon, Scottish Political Editor of the Sunday Herald: "I'm just the referee," Lord Smith tells media briefing on #thevow as he repeatedly refuses to answer Qs on what it all means.

     
  94.  
    10:29: Sarwar: 'Good for Scotland'

    Anas Sarwar interim leader of the Scottish Labour Party, said of the Smith Commission agreement was "not in our own interests but in the interests of the Scotland and the people we serve".

    Anas Sawrwar

    "People wanted more decisions taken closer to home and that is what we have delivered," he added.

    "Today is a good day for Scotland and a good day for the Scottish Parliament."

     
  95.  
    10:25: Held to account

    The Association of Chartered Certified Accountants (ACCA) has said the Smith commission proposals must be carefully evaluated and only introduced if they are fair to both Scotland and the rest of the UK.

    Scottish money

    Craig Vickery, head of ACCA Scotland, said: "The closeness of the referendum vote made it clear to Westminster that the momentum for further devolution continues to build, and the Smith Commission proposals are the next step in delivering this.

    "My concern is that politicians will choose the proposals they like or are easiest to implement rather than looking at the package as a whole and how the individual parts affect both Scotland and the rest of the UK."

    He added: "The proposal for the full devolution of income tax is likely be of interest to most people, and with support from both Westminster and Holyrood looks likely to happen.

    "I would caution against setting a timetable too quickly on this however; both HMRC and Revenue Scotland need to be given as much time as they need to put the processes in place, rather than it being rushed through to meet public expectation of change sooner rather than later."

     
  96.  
    #smithcommission Reaction: On twitter

    Ewan Dow: So Iain Gray thinks #SmithCommission makes Scots Parl one of world's most powerful devolved Parls? German Länder just phoned. They laughed!

    James Bundy: The #smithcommission shows that the UK government will keep to their promise of further devolution and get control of income tax and A.P.D

    Euan Bryson: As they celebrate the Smith Commission, it is ironic that this report will consign unionist parties to the Scottish political history books.

    Iain: #smithcommission Good start and well done to Lord Smith for banging heads together to this degree...but where next from here?

     
  97.  
    10:19: Gordon Brown response

    Gordon Brown will formally respond to the Smith Commission recommendations in a speech to Scottish local councillors this weekend in Glasgow.

    Gordon Brown

    He will tell them: "The Vow to deliver a stronger Scottish Parliament within the UK has been kept, as promised, and the timetable for draft laws to be published in January will now be honoured, as promised."

    Mr Brown will say that the Commission, by deciding that income tax is a shared UK tax and savings tax and personal allowances will not be devolved, has "rightly rejected the Conservative proposal".

     
  98.  
    10:17: Parliament 'will be stronger'

    Shadow Scottish Secretary Margaret Curran says the commission's recommendations are "a promise kept and an agreement delivered".

    margaret currant

    She adds: "Today we respond to the call for change that we heard on 18 September with extensive new powers for the Scottish Parliament. There shall be a stronger Scottish Parliament.

    "Politics in Scotland has changed forever and people want power close to them. This agreement today meets that demand with extensive new powers over tax, welfare and job creation being passed to the Scottish Parliament."

     
  99.  
    10:10: Edinburgh Airport reaction

    Gordon Dewar, chief executive of Edinburgh Airport, welcomes the commission's recommendation that air passenger duty is devolved to the Scottish Parliament.

    Edinburgh Airport

    He adds: "This should not and need not wait for legislation on other tax changes.

    "We strongly believe that there is a real case to see it devolved as soon as possible so that Scotland can capitalise fully on the benefits of this fantastic year where we have been in the global spotlight. The removal or reducing of this tax will see millions more passengers come to Scotland as our major airlines have indicated.

    "Airline planners are finalising 2015 now and we run the risk of losing that momentum as those people who wish to visit us are deterred by the highest aviation taxes in the world."

     
  100.  
    BBC's Charter Tim Reid Political correspondent, BBC News

    tweets: Formal consultative role for Scot Gov and Scot Parl "in the process of reviewing the BBC's Charter" #smithcommission.

    Report says "strongly" believe abortion powers should be devolved and want "immediate" process to further consider #smithcommission

     

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