Scottish independence: Trident relocation 'very difficult but not impossible'

test firing of Trident missile Nuclear weapons would be removed from an independent Scotland by 2020 under the Scottish government's proposed timetable

Moving Trident nuclear submarines out of an independent Scotland would be very difficult but "not impossible", according to a study.

The report by the Royal United Services Institute (Rusi) also said relocating the submarines would be far cheaper than previously assumed.

But it could take a decade to build a base for the submarines elsewhere in the UK, it said.

The SNP wants to remove nuclear weapons within four years of independence.

The submarines carrying the UK's nuclear deterrent currently operate from the Faslane naval base on the Clyde.

There have been concerns over how they could be relocated in the event of a "Yes" vote in September's independence referendum.

Milford Haven in Wales and "the most obvious replacement", Devonport base in Plymouth, have been suggested as potential new homes for the submarines.

Falmouth in Cornwall is named as a possible munitions site.

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Former cabinet minister Lord Forsyth has previously warned that the potential difficulties of moving the submarines would mean that the UK could be forced to give up its nuclear deterrent if Scotland votes in favour of independence.

But in their paper, Rusi research analyst Hugh Chalmers and research director Malcolm Chalmers said relocating Trident would be both financially and technically feasible.

They suggested that recreating the required nuclear facilities outside Scotland would add between £2.5-3.5bn to the cost of maintaining a nuclear-armed fleet, plus the cost of acquiring and clearing land.

This would be far less than a previously-predicted £20-25bn, they said.

Hugh Chalmers said the research by the military think tank contrasted with an "unlikely consensus" between supporters and opponents of Scottish independence that it would be impossible to relocate the nuclear weapons elsewhere.

If the question mark over Trident's future could be answered, it would help untangle a difficult issue surrounding Scottish independence, he added.

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Analysis: Jonathan Beale, BBC defence correspondent

Britain's nuclear deterrent doesn't come cheap. It'll cost around £20bn to replace the current fleet of four Trident submarines, sometime during the next decade.

Not everyone's convinced - either in Parliament or the MOD - that the UK can afford or really needs a like for like replacement.

This study, by the distinguished defence think tank Rusi, highlights the additional costs if Scotland votes for independence.

It concludes that moving the deterrent from the Clyde and the secure storage facilities for the warheads at Coulport is financially and technically feasible but wouldn't be cheap - between an additional £2.5bn to £3.5bn.

It'll also cost a lot of political capital - persuading people of Plymouth and Falmouth that it's in their interests to have the deterrent and warheads based in their backyard instead.

The Ministry of Defence has already had to cut its cloth to the tougher economic climate. It would rather not contemplate an even bigger dent to its finances as a result of a "Yes" vote.

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Mr Chalmers said: "When people start considering options for relocations it's only natural to assume that it would be quite expensive and very difficult and that is certainly the case. But importantly it is not impossible.

"We estimate that essentially the net costs of relocating could actually be £2.5-3.5bn at 2012 prices, rather than the tens of billions or even £20bn that has been put forward so far."

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But he said it would take a long time, and was unlikely to be completed by the SNP's target date of 2020.

Mr Chalmers said: "It may be possible to deactivate Trident by that point and have it out of Scotland but it's unlikely we would have been able to have it up and running in a new location by that point.

"The Scottish government has acknowledged that if they were to become independent there would be a period of time where the UK would be basing its nuclear forces in an independent country. The UK would be the first country to ever do this."

A more "natural timeframe" would be linked to the entry of a new generation of nuclear-armed submarines, currently anticipated to start in 2028, he argued.

Mr Chalmers said the Rusi paper showed the possibility of a "space for a friendly and amicable settlement" over Trident in the event of independence.

He added: "Effectively this is a key aspect of any negotiations that will emerge after a Yes vote.

"This will be a very, very important issue. If both Scotland and the UK can show that they can come to some sort of amicable arrangement then that untangles a very knotty issue.

"We are trying to essentially dispel the myth that relocating Trident out of Scotland is impossible and in doing so create some space allowing an amicable settlement to be reached in the event of a Yes vote."

'Speedy withdrawal'

A spokeswoman for the Scottish government said: "As Rusi's paper shows, the UK government has choices on what it decides to do with its nuclear weapons following their removal from an independent Scotland, including of course the potential to reconsider the possession and planned renewal of Trident.

"The Scottish government will work responsibly with the government in Westminster in securing the speediest safe withdrawal of Trident from an independent Scotland.

"We look forward to the opportunity to discuss these arrangements with the UK government following a vote for independence."

A Ministry of Defence spokeswoman said: "There are no plans to move Trident from Her Majesty's Naval Base Clyde and unilateral disarmament is not an option.

"We are not planning for Scottish independence and as such it is difficult to estimate the total costs, or how long it would take, to replicate the facilities at Faslane, but it would likely cost taxpayers billions of pounds and take many years."

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  63.  
    08:02: JD Sports: 'No major impact'

    JD Sports executive chairman Peter Cowgill told this morning's Radio 4 Today programme the company does not think a "Yes" vote would have a "major impact" on trade.

    Asked if there was a danger prices would rise, he said: "No, not at all… we operate in Europe as well and it would be a similar process".

     
  64.  
    07:55: 'This will settle it'

    Asked on Radio 4 if a "No" vote would only hold back independence for a short time, Alistair Darling says: "No, because both sides are agreed. This is to settle the matter for a generation."

     
  65.  
    07:50: As others see us

    Professor Muriel Casals, president of the Catalan civic organisation Omnium Cultural, told Good Morning Scotland that people there were watching events in Scotland closely.

    She said: "Unfortunately for us the Spanish government is saying 'you don't have the right to go to the polls to say whatever you want'. We are campaigning for the right to go to the polls. It's wonderful for you that you are going."

    Catalan protesters

    Udo Seiwert-Fauti, a German journalist who works in Strasbourg, told the programme: "It's amazing how much interest Germans have. They realise what is going on here."

     
  66.  
    07:48: 'Tragedy' of break-up

    Mr Darling adds: "Over the last 300 years, we have all built the UK together. We have benefited from that strength that comes from acting together, pooling and sharing resources in good times and bad times and I think it would be a tragedy if the relationship were broken."

     
  67.  
    07:44: More Darling

    Mr Darling tells presenter Jim Naughtie: "What Alex Salmond doesn't tell you is that public spending is £1,200 more per head of population here than it is south of the border."

     
  68.  
    07:42: Darling on final push

    Better Together leader Alistair Darling is speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme on the final day of campaigning.

    alistair darling

    Mr Darling: "People going to the polls tomorrow will be in no doubt that you can have a stronger Scottish Parliament, with more powers and more responsibility to raise the money it spends.

    "And that means the health service - if you want to spend more money on it you can do it and it really doesn't matter what is happening in the rest of the UK."

     
  69.  
    07:37: Salmond plea to voters

    Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond has written to voters urging them vote "Yes".

    In the letter, he asks voters to step back from the political arguments and trust in themselves as they go into the polling booth.

    The letter says: "The talking is nearly done. The campaigns will have had their say. What's left is just us - the people who live and work here. The only people with a vote. The people who matter.

    "The people who for a few precious hours during polling day hold sovereignty, power, authority in their hands. It's the greatest most empowering moment any of us will ever have. Scotland's future - our country in our hands.

    "What to do? Only each of us knows that. For my part, I ask only this. Make this decision with a clear head and a clear conscience."

     
  70.  
    07:29: The view from Germany

    Lizbeth in Muir of Ord: Spoke to a German visitor yesterday he says "Angela Merkel says No but the folk say Yes ... you are very lucky, everyone in the world loves Scotland. We hope you say Yes."

     
  71.  
    07:15: Gary Robertson BBC Radio Scotland

    How others see us - #bbcgms gets the view from Germany and Catalonia 0715. #indyref

     
  72.  
    07:15: Kenneth Macdonald BBC Scotland Science Correspondent

    The organisers of the referendum count will use techniques from forensic and computing science to handle a record number - almost 790,000 - of postal votes.

    Polling card for Scottish referendum

    Counting staff are using scanners and advanced signature recognition software to make sure the person who posts in their vote is the same one who applied for it.

    The machines will not be set to reject ballots automatically - they would then be checked by humans.

     
  73.  
    07:03: The polls

    With just a day of campaigning left, the polls suggest the result of the referendum is still too close to call.

    Three new polls, one by Opinium for the Daily Telegraph, another by ICM for the Scotsman and a third by Survation for the Daily Mail, were published last night. With undecided voters excluded, they all suggested a lead for "No" of 52% to 48%.

    For more on the polls, go to our poll tracker on the Scotland Decides website.

    Poll tracker
     
  74.  
    06:56: On the campaign trail

    For Yes Scotland, First Minister Alex Salmond kicks off his final day of campaigning with a visit to Hyspec Engineering in Stewarton, Ayrshire, to discuss jobs.

    For Better Together, Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander will be addressing events across the Highlands, including Kingussie, Inverness and Nairn, and Scottish Labour MSP Kezia Dugdale will join "No" campaigners at Haymarket Station in Edinburgh.

    Elsewhere, well-known "Yes" campaigners including Elaine C Smith, Ricky Ross and River City cast members will address voters in Buchanan Street, Glasgow.

     
  75.  
    06:53: Good Morning Scotland

    Tune into Good Morning Scotland for the latest Scottish independence referendum news and analysis.

    Gary Robertson

    On the final day of campaigning before tomorrow's vote, presenter Gary Robertson speaks to both sides in Edinburgh.

     
  76.  
    06:49: Gary Robertson BBC Radio Scotland

    A look at the #indyref issues for Edinburgh as we hear from yes and no campaigners in the capital. #bbcgms

     
  77.  
    06:47: 'The Scottish average'

    Polling expert John Curtice, professor of politics at Strathclyde University, has been telling Good Morning Scotland which areas of the country he thinks will be most important to the result.

    voter with umbrella at 1999 Holyrood election

    He said: "This is a nationwide vote - none of them will be decisive.

    "If there's anywhere one can pick out, then maybe Fife will end up closest to the Scottish average."

     
  78.  
    06:42: Ex-military warn over 'Yes' vote

    Military figures have warned Scottish independence would make the whole UK more vulnerable to attack.

    British soldiers in Afghanistan

    In an open letter in the Sun newspaper, 14 former armed forces chiefs said a "No" vote in Thursday's referendum was "critical for all our security".

    Breaking up Britain would "weaken us all", they added.

    The letter "to the people of Scotland" was signed by seven former Chiefs of Defence Staff - Lords Boyce, Guthrie, Inge, Vincent, Stirrup, Craig and Richards.

     
  79.  
    06:30: Welcome Marianne Taylor BBC Scotland news

    Good morning and welcome to Referendum Live. We'll be here till late with the latest news, comment and analysis around tomorrow's vital vote.

    It's the final day of campaigning and both sides will be going all out to win over those final switherers.

    You can keep in touch and tell us your views throughout the day - tweet using #bbcindyref, email or text 80295.

     

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