Scottish independence: Scots and English 'willing to share institutions'

Pound coins The survey indicated a willingness to share the pound in the event of a "Yes" vote

People across the UK appear willing to continue sharing institutions after Scottish independence, according to the annual British Social Attitudes survey.

The survey indicated almost 70% of people in England and Wales believe an independent Scotland should be allowed to share the pound.

And more Scots think Trident nuclear missiles should stay in the country than think they should leave.

The majority of Scots also wanted to keep the monarchy and the BBC.

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If Scotland does vote to leave the United Kingdom, Scotland and England will have to find ways of getting along with each other”

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According to the survey, which was carried out last year, 38% of those questioned in England and Wales said if Scotland left the UK it should "definitely be allowed" to continue to use sterling, while 31% believe it should "probably be allowed" to do so.

In Scotland, 79% believed the country should continue to use the pound in the event of a "Yes" vote in September's referendum, while 11% said it should have its own currency and 7% favoured the euro.

The research also found 28% of people in Scotland said that, while they want to be able to use the pound if the country is independent, they "anticipated that in practice this would not be possible".

In February, Chancellor George Osborne ruled out a currency union between an independent Scotland and the rest of the UK, a position backed by Labour shadow chancellor Ed Balls and the Lib Dem Chief Secretary to the Treasury, Danny Alexander.

A currency union with the rest of the UK is the preferred option of the Scottish government, which has accused its Westminster counterparts of "bluff and bluster" over the issue.

Nuclear submarines

Elsewhere, the survey suggested 41% of people in Scotland believed Trident nuclear submarines should continue to be based at Faslane on the Clyde after independence, while 37% said they should not.

Nuclear submarine A majority of voters in England and Wales thought nuclear submarines would have to leave an independent Scotland

In England and Wales, just over a quarter (26%) of people agreed that Britain's nuclear weapons should continue to be based in Scotland if it becomes an independent country, while 63% said they should either "definitely" or "probably" be moved elsewhere.

The Scottish government has pledged to remove all nuclear weapons from Scotland after independence.

The research was carried out by NatCen, which said "people in Scotland are not necessarily convinced that becoming independent should require the removal of British nuclear weapons".

Its research also suggested 62% of people in Scotland think an independent Scotland should keep the same King or Queen as England, while 65% in England and Wales agree.

And 86% of people in Scotland would like to be able to carry on watching the BBC after independence, while 82% of those in England and Wales think they definitely or probably should be allowed to do so.

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Analysis: Prof John Curtice, NatCen Social Research
The Queen

On the BBC: The vast majority of people in Scotland want to keep the BBC and the vast majority of people in England and Wales are happy for Scotland to keep the BBC in the event of independence.

On the queen: They're not quite so equally agreed about the monarchy - around two thirds of people in Scotland want to keep the queen, and two thirds of people in England and Wales are happy for them to keep the queen.

On sharing the pound: We were doing this research in the summer of 2013, before the currency intervention and the whole issue blew up. At that point, 70% of people in England and Wales suggested, if Scotland wants to share the pound, "that's fine by us".

We know from subsequent opinion polls the position changed after George Osborne said he didn't think it was a terribly good idea, but that does suggest - rather than as was argued by those on the "No" side that there's no prospect of the public in England and Wales being willing to tolerate this idea - their opposition is in fact the consequence of politicians on the "No" side telling them it isn't a very good idea.

On Trident: It is true that Scotland is a bit more opposed to nuclear weapons than England.

That said, when we asked people in Scotland, "do you think that the United Kingdom should be required to remove its weapons in an independent Scotland," actually slightly more people said "No" than "Yes".

The pressure in the event of a "Yes" vote so far as public opinion's concerned for getting those Trident weapons out of Scotland will in fact be much stronger south of the border, where the reaction seems to be, "if Scotland decides to be independent, then we better move them back into England and Wales", so, ironically, the SNP's position gets more support from public opinion in England and Wales than it does north of the border.

On more devolved powers: Aroundhalf of people in England and Wales are willing to support the idea of more devolution, and only a quarter are really opposed - although when we come to some of the detail, public opinion on both sides of the border is more complicated.

Scotland's pretty equivocal about the idea of the basic rate of income tax being different on the two sides of the border. England and Wales don't think it's a terribly good idea - so they're willing to back the principle, but when it comes to practice, it's much more difficult.

On dual citizenship: On both sides of the border, there's a reluctance to accept the idea that British citizens living in Scotland could claim their Scottish citizenship, but also hang on to their British citizenship.

Only half in Scotland think people should be able to have both a British and a Scottish passport, and, south of the border, only one in three do so.

That's a position where both governments could meet greater public resistance than either side anticipated.

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But while about half of Scots (47%) think they should be able to claim both a British and a Scottish passport should Scotland become independent, only one in three people in England and Wales think they should be able to do so.

More powers

If the referendum results in a "No" vote, 45% of people in England and Wales would support Scotland having more power and responsibility over taxation and welfare, with 27% opposed and 23% neither in favour nor against such a move.

The report stated: "Public opinion in the rest of the UK would not necessarily be enthusiastic about more Scottish devolution, but would probably be willing to tolerate it,"

Prof John Curtice, of NatCen Social Research, said: "If Scotland does vote to leave the United Kingdom, Scotland and England will have to find ways of getting along with each other.

"In some instances, such as the monarchy and the BBC, there appears to be a willingness on both sides of the border to share institutions.

"Even on the issue on which the Scottish and UK governments have been most obviously at loggerheads - on the prospect of an independent Scotland sharing the pound - public opinion in England and Wales may not necessarily be as hostile to the idea as has sometimes been suggested.

"However, those living in the rest of the UK might want Trident moved out of Scotland, irrespective of whether a future Scottish government is willing to keep the nuclear weapons facility on its shores or not."

Responding the survey's findings on the currency of an independent Scotland, a Treasury spokesman said: "The position on currency union is clear. The Chancellor, Chief Secretary and shadow chancellor have all said there will not be one with a separate Scotland.

"The only way to keep the pound is to stay together in the UK.

"Public opinion has shifted, and shifted significantly. When it comes to a currency union, the people don't want it, business rejects it and parliament would never pass it."

A Scottish government spokeswoman said: "We believe nuclear weapons have no place in Scotland, and have made clear our intention to negotiate for the removal of Trident within the first parliamentary term of an independent Scotland."

She added: "As we have outlined, an independent Scotland will keep the pound, and a formal currency union will be in the overwhelming economic interests of the rest of the UK."

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  1. No 2,001,926
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  1.  
    14:41: 'Not found wanting'

    "No-one believes Scottish politics can go to business as usual", says Johann Lamont.

    She says she enjoys shouting at people as much as anyone but that cannot be the way to do politics.

    The eyes of the world have moved on, she says. Scotland seemed like the centre of the universe when the world's media descended.

    They have moved on but the eyes of Scotland are still trained on us, says Ms Lamont.

    "Let us not lapse into the debates of the past and be found wanting."

     
  2.  
    14:40: Miliband on Scotland

    "Our country nearly broke up," Labour leader Ed Miliband says. "A country that nearly splits apart is not one in good health."

    He thanks Labour politicians who "helped save our country", including Gordon Brown, Alistair Darling, Johann Lamont and Jim Murphy.

     
  3.  
    14:39: 'Scotland at heart'

    Scottish Labour leader Johann Lamont urges parliament to be a lively, energised place that invites people in and goes out to find out what people think.

    "I don't fear engaging with anyone who has the interest of Scotland at heart," she says.

     
  4.  
    14:38: Miliband thanks 'Team Scotland'

    Ed Milliband thanks "Team Scotland" for the part it played in keeping the UK together following the Scottish referendum. He starts his thanks by mentioning Gordon Brown - a political figure he has been accused of missing out previously.

    Ed Miliband
     
  5.  
    14:37: 'We need to move on' James Cook Scotland Correspondent, BBC News

    Johann Lamont: We need to move on. We don't need anybody to hold out feet to the fire to make Holyrood stronger. #indyref

     
  6.  
    14:35: Committed to new powers

    Scottish Labour leader Johann Lamont says the people of Scotland will hold the politicians to the commitments on the new powers.

    She says she will work with the government on childcare and protecting the NHS from privatisation but calls for honesty from the Scottish government.

    Ms Lamont says the "enormity" of the referendum has taken the focus of things such as education and health. She says perhaps now we can go back to debating these issues. "We should discuss what we can do rather than what we can't," she says.

    She adds that land reform, "bold radical changes," is a journey that is not yet complete. The party's leader says this is an area where parties can come together to make a radical difference to people's lives.

     
  7.  
    14:34: Miliband speech

    Labour leader Ed Miliband receives a standing ovation as he arrives on stage at the party conference in Manchester.

     
  8.  
    14:33: 'Feet to the fire'

    Johann Lamont says "we need to move on" as there is consensus to do so.

    "We don't need anyone to hold our feet to the fire," over giving new powers to the Scottish Parliament, adds the Scottish Labour leader.

     
  9.  
    14:31: 'Settled will of the people'

    Ms Lamont says she must recognise the amazing achievement of getting 1.6 million people to vote for independence. But she says it mustn't be forgotten that two million people voted to remain part of the United Kingdom.

    The UK is now the settled will of the Scottish people and the issue is firmly settled, she continues.

    Ms Lamont says she does not speak for the 45% or the 55% - she speaks for the 100% of the Scottish people.

     
  10.  
    14:29: Voting change should be 'embraced' James Cook Scotland Correspondent, BBC News

    Johann Lamont says votes at 16 should be embraced. #indyref

     
  11.  
    14:27: Voting change strikes chord

    The Scottish Labour leader, who went to vote in the referendum with her 17-year-old son, said she had long supported votes at 16 and would agree with Mr Salmond that this should be brought in for all elections.

    Johann Lamont says the energy and passion was sometimes misplaced and became aggressive.

    It was not a few miscreants, she says. It was sometimes intimidating and that behaviour is entirely unacceptable.

    "Laying siege to the BBC for four hours" was not appropriate behaviour, the Scottish Labour leader adds.

     
  12.  
    14:25: Salmond's political contribution

    Scottish Labour leader Johann Lamont says there will be an opportunity at a later date to talk about the massive contribution that Alex Salmond has made to Scottish political life.

    Johann Lamont

    Ms Lamont says Scotland has voted No but politics can never go back to the way it was before.

    She is immensely proud of the young people in her party who were engaged in the argument and she knows that those on the other side of the political divide feel the same way.

     
  13.  
    14:24: 'Peaceful, passionate discussion'

    "This land has been a hub of peaceful passionate discussion," says Mr Salmond.

    People have been enthused and energised like never before he says. There has been a generational change in attitudes to independence. Things will never be the same again, the first minister goes on.

    "All of Scotland will emerge the winner," Mr Salmond concludes.

     
  14.  
    14:23: Devolution 'must boost growth'

    Scottish business leaders have issued a joint statement calling for any new devolution to focus on driving economic growth.

    Signatories include the Federation of Small Businesses, Scottish Chambers of Commerce, Institute of Directors, CBI, Scotch Whisky Association and the Scottish Building Federation.

    It says: "With the Scottish Parliament set to become a more powerful force in our economy, the touchstones of the new devolution settlement must be boosting business and growth.

    "It's also really important for business that whatever settlement is now agreed is stable and sustainable, and seen to be so."

     
  15.  
    14:23: 'Politically engaged' James Cook Scotland Correspondent, BBC News

    Alex Salmond: Scotland now has the most politically engaged population in Western Europe. #indyref

     
  16.  
    14:21: Clamp down on violence

    Mr Salmond returns to the Treasury briefing on RBS in the run-up to the referendum, calling again for an inquiry.

    He also calls for the police to continue to crack down on "pre-arranged thuggery" on evidence in George Square on Friday.

     
  17.  
    14:20: 'Three key tests' James Cook Scotland Correspondent, BBC News

    Alex Salmond says "three key tests" for more powers: make Scotland more prosperous, fairer and with a stronger voice in the world. #indyref

     
  18.  
    14:19: Job-creating powers

    The first minister says "any approvement of the devolution settlement" will require consent at Holyrood.

    He has three key tests:

    • Genuine job-creating powers
    • Address inequality
    • Give Scotland a voice on the world stage.
     
  19.  
    14:18: Miliband speech

    Labour leader Ed Miliband and his wife Justine have just arrived at the party's conference in Manchester.

    Ed Miliband

    Mr Miliband is set to make an 80-minute speech.

     
  20.  
    14:16: 'Restless for change'

    Mr Salmond quotes STUC leader Grahame Smith who said the people of Scotland are restless for change. Mr Salmond says the referendum debate engaged people in every community in the country.

    The SNP leader says everyone should support Lord Smith's commitment to proper consultation.

    Mr Salmond reels off a number of economic indicators to show that "Scotland was not on pause during the referendum campaign".

    He says, rather, it was "on fast forward".

     
  21.  
    14:15: 'Energised people of this nation'

    Alex Salmond says he was surprised when David Cameron said on Friday that change in Scotland would be "in tandem" with change in the rest of the UK.

    The SNP leader says the statement yesterday was different from this, indicating they are showing signs of understanding that they must deliver their commitments to Scotland.

    "The true guardians of progress are the energised people of this nation," he says.

     
  22.  
    14:12: Moving forward

    "Where do we move forward from here?" asks Mr Salmond.

    He says he believes strongly in the Edinburgh agreement and will stick to Section 30 which means he will accept the result and bring forward constructive proposals for the future.

    The outgoing first minister welcomes the appointment of Lord Smith, the head of the new commission on delivering more powers to Scotland.

     
  23.  
    14:11: Lowering voting age?

    "There is not a shred of evidence now for saying 16 and 17-years-olds should not be allowed to vote," Mr Salmond says.

    They should be given the vote in all future elections, he argues.

     
  24.  
    14:09: Salmond addresses MSPs at Holyrood

    And now the First Minister Alex Salmond is called on to make a statement. He says the presiding officer rightly identifies that the referendum was "exhilarating and empowering".

    Outgoing First Minister Alex Salmond

    Mr Salmond says the turnout in 1997 referendum was 60%. Last week's referendum was 85% and both sides (except for a few miscreants) conducted themselves in a democratic manner. "It has brought us great credit nationally and internationally".

    Mr Salmond says there were a few "mainly Metropolitan" journalists who concentrated on the negative.

     
  25.  
    14:07: 'Rippes of hope'

    The presiding officer shares words from Senator Robert Kennedy's "ripples of hope" speech.

    She quotes: "The essential humanity of man can be protected and preserved only where the government must answer - not just to the wealthy; not just to those of a particular religion, not just to those of a particular race; but to all of the people."

     
  26.  
    14:04: 'Most deprived communities'

    The Scottish Parliament's presiding officer told MSPs "it cannot and must not be business as usual".

    She says: "It is for the political parties to make their own decisions about how they involve young people, those living in our most deprived communities and women in the future.

    "However, this parliament like other institutions in Scotland must also respond and I pledge to you and to our fellow citizens my determination to do so."

     
  27.  
    14:02: 'Humbled by fellow Scots'

    Presiding Officer Tricia Marwick does not usually lead Time for reflection - it is a period in the parliament timetable normally taken by a speaker sharing a perspective on issues of faith.

    Leading Time for reflection today, Ms Marwick said: "I have been truly humbled by the clear wish of so many of our fellow Scots to be involved, many for the first time. How often have we heard people say they were not going to bother voting because it wouldn't make any difference?

    Presiding Officer Tricia Marwick

    "Not this time. Let us be clear about the scale of this unprecedented level of involvement and what it means for all of us. It is now for us to embrace and nurture that desire for political expression."

     
  28.  
    14:00: What did Murray statement mean?

    BBC Newsbeat has "decoded" what Andy Murray had to say on the issue of his tweet in favour of Scottish independence. Read more here.

    Andy Murray
     
  29.  
    13:56: Back to business

    MSPs are back at Holyrood for the first time since the independence referendum.

    The chamber session starts at 14:00 with Presiding Officer Tricia Marwick leading Time for Reflection.

    The main event of the day will be Alex Salmond's statement to the parliament following the No vote and the announcement of his resignation.

    This will be followed by a debate on the statement.

     
  30.  
    13:55: 'Commitment and focus'

    Scottish Secretary Alistair Carmichael has said agreeing further powers to be devolved to Scotland will "require commitment and focus on the part of all those involved".

    The Lib Dem MP was speaking after Lord Smith of Kelvin set out details of his Scotland Devolution Commission, which has been charged with drawing up proposals following the 'No' vote.

    Mr Carmichael said the process had "hit the ground running".

    Alistair Carmichael
     
  31.  
    13:50: Key speeches

    We've got three big speeches coming up shortly:

    We'll bring you all the latest lines as we get them.

     
  32.  
    @BBCGen2014 13:41: BBC Generation 2014

    Waiting for @AlexSalmond's speech at #Holyrood shortly. He is expected to call for the voting age to be lowered to 16 in future elections.

     
  33.  
    13:30: 'Recipe for deadlock'

    A senior Labour MP has been questioned in detail about Scottish MPs being allowed to vote on laws that only affect England.

    Shadow communities secretary Hilary Benn told the BBC Daily Politics show Labour was "prepared to look at" the issue. But he said there were other "anomalies" in the UK constitution, citing the example of London MPs voting on issues like transport that are devolved to the London Assembly.

    "You can't have two centres of power in a single Parliament," he adds, saying this would be "a recipe for deadlock".

    Hilary Benn
     
  34.  
    @PeterMurrell 13:23: SNP chief executive Peter Murrell

    SNP chief executive Peter Murrell tweets: Sporting a new t-shirt for the occasion, this cheeky chap on my desk has a HUGE announcement. @theSNP 50,000 strong!!

    peter murrell
     
  35.  
    13:18: Cool politics?

    With tennis star Andy Murray getting involved, and teenagers voting in their thousands, has the referendum made politics cool?

    Dr Lynn Bennie, on BBC Radio Scotland: "Up until now, politics has certainly not been cool. In the past few decades it's not been cool to be a party member, it's not been cool to be associated with a traditional party.

    "But this seems to be re-writing that relationship."

     
  36.  
    13:08: 'Back pocket'

    On the SNP's increased membership figures, Prof Paul Cairney, professor of politics and public policy at Stirling University, tells BBC Radio Scotland's John Beattie: "When you get into negotiations for so-called 'devo max', it's a good thing for the SNP to have in their back pocket to say 'our support is going through the roof, and if the negotiations do not go well then the rest of the parties will suffer'."

     
  37.  
    12:57: 'Minority sport'

    Dr Lynn Bennie, a reader in Scottish politics at Aberdeen University, tells BBC Radio Scotland the high turnout in the referendum was "exceptional" as politics is still seen as a "minority sport".

    In total, 3,619,915 million people voted, making the turnout 84.5%.

     
  38.  
    Text 80295 12:50: Referendum - Your Views

    Joe, Forres: We've got to be very careful that we don't get caught up in ourselves and our own issues, and become an inward-looking Scotland.

    Tony from Lanark: Andy Murray for first minister. He has belief and courage of his convictions. Inspirational guy. Cheers.

    Audrey: The No camp wheeled out a crowd of celebrities from Eddie Izzard to JK Rowling to tell us how to vote, yet as soon as Andy Murray expressed his opinion there was a howl of protest. Double standards?

     
  39.  
    @bbcscotlandnews 12:45: Referendum - Get Involved

    Jim, Glasgow: Firstly, 16 & 17-year-olds should not have a vote. They are too young and inexperienced. Secondly, Andy Murray didn't need to apologise, he chose to do so. Thirdly, 62% of the electorate did not vote for independence.

    Bill: To Ben in Partick - I am 66-years-old and proud to vote Yes. Why should OAPs vote with fear? Their pensions were guaranteed by both sides. As OAPs we also have a responsibility to leave a better country and better future for our children and grandchildren. To be brutally honest, any changes to Scotland would not take place until 2020 and how many of those who voted will still be here then?

     
  40.  
    12:39: 'Courage and compromise'

    The head of the new commission on delivering more powers to Scotland has warned it will "not be easy" to get agreement from the Scottish parties.

    Lord Smith said those involved in the talks would require "courage" and "compromise" - but he was confident they would rise to the challenge.

    Lord Smith of Kelvin

    The discussions on new powers for Holyrood are taking place after Scotland voted against independence.

    Draft legislation is due to be unveiled by the end of January.

     
  41.  
    12:33: 'More powers' James Cook Scotland Correspondent, BBC News

    Lord Smith asks Scotland's political parties to nominate representatives and submit ideas for his "more powers" commission. He says Scotland expects the parties to arrive at a consensus #indyref.

     
  42.  
    12:31: 'Raring to go'

    When the Scottish Parliament returns this afternoon, Labour MSP Jenny Marra says she wants to see "a recognition... that Scotland voted to stay within the United Kingdom and how now we bring these more powers that were promised in the 'No' vote to the Scottish Parliament".

    The North East Scotland representative also tells BBC News Scottish Labour Leader Johann Lamont is "raring to go this afternoon" and "absolutely the person to lead us forward".

    Jenny Marra
     
  43.  
    12:29: 'Completely overshadowed'

    At the Labour Party conference in Manchester, the debate following the referendum has "completely overshadowed the whole thing", journalist Beth Rigby, of the Financial Times, tells the BBC's Daily Politics show.

    "The problem Ed Miliband has, is if he backs David Cameron's desire to have English votes for English laws, he then automatically cuts out 40 Scottish MPs from voting, so it's not in his political interest."

     
  44.  
    12:25: Never Miss A Beat... John Beattie BBC Scotland

    We're talking about the Andy Murray indyref tweet story. Listen live to the programme here.

     
  45.  
    Text 80295 12:23: Referendum - Get Involved

    Iain: Andy Murray has a perfect right to say whatever he likes. He should stand by it rather than this response which makes it sound like he's now more worried about his 'brand'!

    Anon: I didn't vote No for more powers, I voted No because I didn't want a Yes. Please don't try to tell me how and why I voted.

    James Crawford, Helensburgh: Andy Murray supporting YES: Why is there all the negativity? He is entitled to his opinion. We don't have a witch-hunt on all the NO celebrities - and many of them weren't even Scottish! Speak out against No and you get a media attack.

     
  46.  
    Text 80295 12:10: Referendum - Your Views

    Deirdre Murray (not related to Andy), West Kilbride: Andy Murray has every right to say what he thought about the referendum, much more than some other 'celebrities' who gave their opinions. I'm delighted he supported independence for Scotland.

    Theresa: Andy Murray is a Scotsman and totally entitled to voice an opinion.

     
  47.  
    11:55: 'Win win'

    Although the 'Yes' campaign lost the referendum, it was always going to be "a win win" situation for the SNP, Nicola McEwen, of the University of Edinburgh, tells BBC News.

    "It has pushed the UK parties onto the constitutional agenda, onto a commitment for more powers, far more than any of them wanted to go and it will continue to do so," she says.

    She also says it is "very unlikely" that 'Yes' voters will be satisfied by the offer of new powers that will come from Westminster.

     
  48.  
    11:46: Labour conference

    The Labour Party conference is likely to touch on the issue of how Labour is responding to the Scottish independence referendum.

    You can follow all the latest coverage here, including Labour leader Ed Miliband's speech just after 14:00.

     
  49.  
    11:37: Salmond a 'colossus'

    Alex Salmond is a "colossus" in the independence movement, says Mr Hepburn, who describes him as the man who has transformed the SNP from a parliamentary party of three MPs to being Scotland's largest party.

    Asked if he would be voting for Mr Salmond's deputy Nicola Sturgeon as the next SNP leader, he says: "Everyone is voting her. Of course I am."

     
  50.  
    11:31: 'Flame continues to burn'

    Jamie Hepburn, SNP MSP for Cumbernauld and Kilsyth, tells the BBC News Channel: "It's been rather amazing to see the resilience of so many thousands of people who were involved in the Yes movement, determined that the flame continues to burn."

    The 20,00 people who have joined the SNP since the result, joined because they "believe in independence", he adds.

     
  51.  
    11:27: Voting age: The other parties

    Where do the other parties stand on lowering the voting age? Mr Miliband called for votes at 16 in his party conference speech this time last year.

    The Liberal Democrats have also called for it, and MPs voted in favour in a Commons debate in 2013.

    Labour leader Ed Miliband

    But the Conservatives are against the change. When Mr Miliband proposed it last year, the Tories accused him of "student politics".

     
  52.  
    11:19: Hotel 'sold after No vote'

    An Edinburgh hotel has been sold for £25.7m to a real estate investor who said the deal was conditional on a referendum No vote.

    Redefine International, a real estate investment trust, bought the five-storey, 138-bedroom Double Tree by Hilton hotel in Edinburgh city centre.

    Hilton

    Chief executive Mike Watters said the deal had been "conditional" on Scotland voting to remain part of the UK, saying it was a matter of economics and not politics.

     
  53.  
    11:12: Why sign up now?

    Comedian Julia Sutherland explains why she has just signed up as a member of the Green Party - and why membership of political parties like the SNP is rocketing.

    "It's that sense of helplessness after the referendum," she tells BBC Radio Scotland.

    "That was the way that we were trying to affect change for the future of Scotland and because we weren't able to do that, because we didn't get the vote we wanted, this is what we do now because we feel part of a movement, we feel forever changed.

    "We feel we're engaged in a way that we weren't before."

     
  54.  
    11:10: English votes for English laws James Landale Deputy political editor

    Tory MPs invited to lunchtime meeting of 1922 committee at Westminster on Thursday to discuss English votes for English laws.

     
  55.  
    10:46: New movement?

    BBC Radio Scotland has turned to the issue of whether there is a new political movement in Scotland.

    Journalist and commentator Alex Massie says: "Some of them [Yes voters] are doing this out of denial because they haven't quite got round to recognising what the settled will of the Scottish people is."

    Comedian Julia Sutherland, a Green Party member, says she disagrees. "It's not because I haven't accepted the decision - it's very much because I have.

    "Twenty thousand people have joined the SNP and they've got over 40,000 more than the Lib Dems in the rest of the UK - I think that sounds like a very clear message about how engaged people are."

    In recent days more than 3,000 people have joined the Greens, which now has more than 5,000 members, she adds. "It's really patronising to suggest that's just about people being upset."

     
  56.  
    10:34: Jim Murphy's role Laura Kuenssberg Chief Correspondent

    Subplot at lab conf, pressure on Jim Murphy to take on Scottish leadership - tricky as Johann Lamont in place, but he proved huge worth in indyref.

     
  57.  
    @bbcscotlandnews 10:32: Referendum - Your Views

    Gary McAlonan: The legacy of the referendum should empower everyone one to keep a pulse with all the current politics of the day. We need to be the watchers of our politicians and keep them in line with the will of the people. When we switch off, the politicians seem to rush through bills that not many people want.

    Lee Wootton: Re, Iain Brown from Dundee. Funny that you believe the people who voted majority "Yes" should get a vote but those who voted majority "No" shouldn't? If the vote had gone the opposite way would you now be calling for no under 18's to vote? Gerrymandering much?

    Mark, Dunfermline: A lot of spite and vengeance being poured forth by frustrated Yes campaigners. Can they not accept that they were by far in the minority? Politicians come and go, priorities and policies change over time, and governments never have enough money to do what they hope to do. Vote for the future knowing that, not remembering one failed moment in the past.

     
  58.  
    10:26: Salmond spat

    First Minister Alex Salmond has written a letter to The Herald in reply to an article on Monday by commentator and Salmond biographer David Torrance, in which Mr Torrance praised the SNP leader's "significant personal achievement" but questioned his economic analysis and referred to "pettiness" and "downright rudeness".

    Outgoing First Minister Alex Salmond

    In his response, Mr Salmond said: "First, I hardly know David Torrance. And secondly - and much more problematically for a biographer - he doesn't know me at all."

    Mr Torrance has tweeted in reply: "I think this might be the proudest moment of my career..."

     
  59.  
    10:18: Youth vote

    Just a reminder of why today's discussion focused on the issue of 16 and 17-year-olds voting - Alex Salmond is to call for people in this age group to be given the vote at all future elections.

    He's set to make the plea this afternoon, as Holyrood reconvenes for the first time since the referendum.

     
  60.  
    10:12: Young electorate

    Glasgow boasts the biggest population in Scotland and also has a high number of teen voters. Figures from the 2011 Census show the city had more than 18,000 people aged 13-15.

    Depending on when their birthday falls, these youngsters will now be aged 16-19.

    Teenagers
     
  61.  
    10:03: How did teenagers vote?

    How did 16 and 17-year-olds vote in the referendum?

    According to a snap poll by Lord Ashcroft asking voters how they had cast their ballots, 71% voted Yes.

    More than 100,000 16 to 18-year-olds had registered to vote on Thursday.

    Referendum ballot paper
     
  62.  
    Text 80295 09:56: Referendum - Your Views

    Tom, Rosyth: Can anyone explain to me why 200 celebrities can sign a letter and make pleas on national TV for Scotland to stay in the Union but Andy Murray has to apologise for one innocuous tweet supporting independence?

    Kevin, Dundee: I'm totally disillusioned the No side didn't make one positive argument for keeping the Union. I'm off to Ireland: a small independent EU country who had the guts to take their sovereignty.

     
  63.  
    09:48: Referendum legacy

    Rev Galbraith adds: "I would like to think the referendum legacy would be that they [young people] see that they have a voice and if it is used wisely they can make a difference."

     
  64.  
    09:40: 'Their moment'

    Reverend Neil Galbraith, founder of the charity Glasgow the Caring City, says it would be hard to "put the genie back in the bottle".

    "In the referendum they [young people] were given the opportunity to have their moment - they could start to shine officially. Young people do remarkable work, there are many young folk who are exceptional," he tells BBC Radio Scotland.

    "The referendum has given them the chance to come to the fore...

    "It's young people who are the driving force behind the social change that we need to become a more compassionate society."

     
  65.  
    Text 80295 09:37: Referendum - Your Views

    Pat, Glasgow: It has made me decide that I shall never vote for the unprincipled Labour, Liberal and Conservative politicians, i.e. all of them. They told so many lies, they got into bed with each other.

    Jim: Since the result was announced, everything that has happened since has only reinforced my view that I was on the right side of the debate. And I now absolutely believe that we will be independent one day. PS. 16-year-olds should have the vote, although I would prefer if they avoided joining political parties until they were a bit older.

    G, Glasgow: Great idea to allow 16+ to vote. Able to look at all the sides and make up own minds, [they] are the best electorate, not just believing mainstream media.

     
  66.  
    09:31: Young people 'not independent'

    Luke Gittos, law editor at online magazine Spiked, says the young voters issue relates to independence.

    "16 and 17-year-olds are not independent people. They are dependent on the institutions that are around them - their families, their schools, their political parties," he tells BBC Radio Scotland.

    Polling station

    "They don't come to their political views as a result of an independent reaction to the world. They come to it through information handed down to them from the people around them - and I think that's problematic."

     
  67.  
    09:20: Youth vote

    Kyle Thornton, former chair of the Scottish youth parliament, says 16 and 17-year-olds "very much wanted to make up their own minds" on the referendum.

    "There was a responsibility that came across," he tells BBC Radio Scotland.

    "Young people were very clear that they felt really responsible about their vote and they wanted to learn and take a decision based on information."

    He says they should be allowed to vote in all UK elections and referendums.

     
  68.  
    Text 80295 09:10: Referendum - your views

    Richard, Aberdeenshire: I think there is an argument 16 and 17-year-olds should be able to vote but I'm also hit with a sense of predictable disappointment that the parties who are supporting this move are the parties that would benefit from it.

    James, Dalry: Oh definitely. You can't ask 16 and 17-year-old to vote on one of the biggest issues to me in the UK - and then tell them 'Oh you can't vote for a party' [in an election]

     
  69.  
    Text 80295 09:09: Referendum - Your Views

    Ali: If 16-year-olds are old enough to marry and have children and join the Armed Forces, surely they should be able to vote in all elections.

    Ben, Partick: Not a good idea for 16-year-olds to vote. At election they were carefree 71% Yes. Over 65s were 73% against. Fear motive - they had lived.

    Ronald: A vote for independence meant being able to look other Europeans in the face. Not doing so leaves us staring at our feet. Simple as that.

    Gayle: Every argument so far against teenagers voting, was made about giving women the vote. Anyone who has a teenager will be laughing at the implication they have any influence over their teen.

     
  70.  
    09:04: Yes 'feeling persists'

    Independence campaigners, broadcaster Lesley Riddoch and musician Pat King, have been talking to BBC Radio Scotland about where the Yes movement goes from here.

    Riddoch says strong feelings on Scottish independence "are still there in spades".

    While King says: "One of the next things the Yes movement can do - and I think a Yes movement persists - is to find a way to talk to itself, to meet with itself, and to educate itself.

    "The one thing that caused a No vote was an argument about viable economics or currency - we all need to become economists. What that will do is give us a basic confidence in the viability of [an independent] Scotland."

     
  71.  
    09:00: 'Funds to decrease'

    The Times reports that public funding given to Scotland by Westminster could fall over time as more fiscal powers are devolved.

    The Times

    The three UK party leaders have vowed to retain the Barnett formula as part of efforts to persuade Scottish voters to remain in the Union.

    But since last week's vote, Tory MPs have voiced anger at the funding model, which grants £1,600 a head more in public money to Scotland than England.

     
  72.  
    Text 80295 08:57: Referendum - Get Involved

    Stephen, Ayr: Can the failed Yes brigade stop blaming everyone else for an overwhelming No. The majority have spoken. Accept it and move on.

    Jon, East Kilbride: Give us all a rest from this debate. The Yes were well beaten and now harping on about anything: accept you were thumped and get on with life.

    Iain Brown, Dundee (weare45): I believe 16/17-year-olds should be allowed to vote because their contribution to society can make a difference for the future. At the same time, over 70-year-olds should not be allowed to vote. The reason being the kids want what's best for the country going forward, whereas over 70s are stuck in the past and make no work-related contribution to our society.

     
  73.  
    @bbcscotlandnews 08:51: Andy Murray - Your Views

    Alistair Gellatly tweets: And neither he should. Plenty people gave their opinion, many with less right to do so.

     
  74.  
    08:43: Referendum - Get Involved Louise White Presenter, Morning Call

    Alex Salmond is expected to call for 16 and 17-year-olds to be given the vote in all future elections. Do you agree?

    Do you feel more empowered as a result of the referendum?

    Morning Call

    Get in touch via 0500 92 95 00 or text 80295 and listen live to the programme here.

     
  75.  
    08:39: View from NI Mark Devenport BBC News NI Political Editor

    There tends to be a different message here if you talk to nationalists and unionists.

    There is an element of common ground. Which is that Northern Ireland has long been asking for control over its own rate of corporation tax - that's because the headline rate for this tax in the Irish republic is much lower than the UK rate.

    Unionists and nationalists are generally saying 'Look we do want to get that power' and we're expecting David Cameron to make a decision on this - expected to be a positive one - once the Scottish referendum is out of the way.

    But in relation to any broader powers I think there is quite a lot of both economic and political disagreement, with nationalists, in particular Sinn Fein, calling for full fiscal to be devolved to Stormont but unionists saying 'Hang on, we're not sure politically about this' because it would dilute the union or economically.

     
  76.  
    08:30: Harman: PM being divisive

    Ms Harman says she finds it "a bit depressing an unworthy" that the prime minister should approach the devolution issue with the attitude: "'Oh well, if Scotland's going to have extra powers then we'll divide everyone up in England against Scotland'.

    Harriet Harman

    "I think that's divisive and not the right way to do things."

     
  77.  
    08:20: Harman: Powers have to happen

    "It was an absolute promise that was made," says Ms Harman on the issue of further powers for Scotland, adding: "It has absolutely got to be delivered. If you make a promise on the eve of an election... than that it absolutely what is going to happen."

    She says shadow chancellor Ed Balls "absolutely" backs the idea of devolving income tax and other powers to Scotland.

    What is being promised to England "makes no difference" to what is being promised to Scotland, she adds.

     
  78.  
    08:15: Harman on Scotland 'alienation'

    Labour deputy leader Harriet Harman says there is a "major issue" in Scotland with people feeling they cannot have any confidence about jobs or their futures.

    The party needs to address that feeling of "alienation and resentment that was so clearly there," she tells BBC Radio Scotland.

     
  79.  
    08:14: Murray would rethink indyref tweet

    Andy Murray has spoken publicly for the first time about comments he made on the eve of the Scottish referendum. The tennis star was criticised for sending a tweet supporting independence.

    Andy Murray

    "I don't regret giving an opinion. I think everyone should be allowed that," he said.

    "The way I did it, yeah, it wasn't something I would do it again. It was a very emotional day for Scottish people and the whole country and the whole of the UK - it was a big day.

    "The way it was worded, the way I sent it, is not really in my character. I don't normally do stuff like that. So, yeah, I was a bit disappointed by that. It's time to move on.

    "I can't go back on that and I'll concentrate on my tennis for the next few months."

     
  80.  
    08:03: View from Wales Sian Elin Dafydd BBC News

    Wales First Minister Carwyn Jones has emphatically said there is a need to rebuild the UK and give more powers to Wales.

    He's repeatedly called for a constitutional convention on the devolution of the UK. He's been doing it for more than two years - and some say he's been ignored.

    Yesterday he told the Labour Party Conference in Manchester that support for Welsh independence would grow unless Labour honoured its commitment to rebuild the UK.

    He says people don't want independence but they are attracted to parties like the SNP, UKIP and Plaid Cymru because they are so fed up with the status quo.

     
  81.  
    07:56: Lamont 'quitting' rumours Glenn Campbell BBC Scotland news

    Several newspapers are reporting rumours speculating that Labour leader Johann Lamont is considering stepping down as leader of the Scottish Labour party.

    Johann Lamont and Ed Miliband at the Labour Party conference in Manchester

    Her press spokesperson denied that last night and pointed to her Labour conference speech about leading the party into the 2016 Holyrood elections.

    It doesn't seem that there is any imminent announcement from her.

     
  82.  
    07:52: Harriet Harman interview coming up... Gary Robertson BBC Radio Scotland

    As Ed Miliband delivers his leaders' speech to Labour's conference @HarrietHarman #bbcgms 0810.

     
  83.  
    07:49: Analysis Glenn Campbell BBC Scotland news

    I think Alex Salmond will tell MSPs that, in his view, the referendum was a success.

    Clearly he didn't win independence, but he'll argue the high levels of voter participation and the high levels of interest from media from all over the world are things that people on both sides of the argument can be proud of.

    I think he'll also commit the Scottish government - and the SNP - to hold the UK political parties to the promises they made on further devolution and protecting the funding formula that supplies the Scottish government with the cash to spend on devolved services.

    Outgoing First Minister Alex Salmond

    He'll also call for votes for 16-year-olds in the next UK general election and subsequent polls because of the interest and engagement they showed in the independence referendum.

    I know that Labour leader Ed Miliband has been supportive in the past and there were reports overnight that he will commit to this in his conference speech later.

    The Lib Dems are also in favour of this but the Conservatives are against it.

     
  84.  
    Text 80295 07:45: Referendum - Get Involved

    ATB, from Sunny Leith by Sea, Zane: One of the funniest things I've heard this week (it is only Tuesday, mind you) it all boils down to a simple slogan - "Wales misses out on funding of around £300m per year, but there is some doubt over the funding calculations." They're going to struggle to get that out on Twitter, since the slogan itself is 113 characters!

    Norrie in Stevenston: Everybody, including the media, keep going on about more powers for Scotland but this wasn't on the referendum ballot paper. Why do we need more powers? Just more layers of bureaucracy and expense we don't need; things are fine the way they are thanks.

     
  85.  
    07:41: 'Why I bet £900k on the indyref'

    One man bet £900,000 on a No vote in the Scottish independence referendum...and won.

    Indyref bet

    He has given a fascinating insight to the BBC on his thought process for a significant political gamble...

     
  86.  
    07:36: SNP 'surge'

    The Herald reports that the SNP is on course to become the UK's third biggest political party, with a 62% surge in membership following the referendum.

    The Herald newspaper

    And comedian Billy Connolly predicts trouble ahead should Prime Minister David Cameron fail to honour his promise of further powers for Scotland.

    Read our newspaper round-up here.

     
  87.  
    @bbcscotlandnews 07:34: Referendum - Your Views

    Julie Thomson tweets: A No vote doesn't mean a #Labour vote. #SNP membership growing.

     
  88.  
    07:31: Scottish papers

    The Scottish newspapers are continuing to reflect on the fallout from the referendum.

    The Scotsman

    The Scotsman quotes the Leader of the House of Commons, William Hague, as saying that the pledge of flagship new powers for Scotland will be honoured.

     
  89.  
    07:30: After the dust settled... James Cook Scotland Correspondent, BBC News

    Politicians return to Holyrood after Scotland rejected independence.

    Holyrood
     
  90.  
    07:26: The Big Yin fires a warnin...

    Billy Connolly has been giving his thoughts on Scotland's referendum.

    The comedian said there would be trouble if David Cameron did not honour his promise of further powers.

    Billy Connolly

    Speaking at the London premiere of What We Did On Our Holiday, he said: "It's 50:50 - 50% of the country are delighted, 50% are disappointed. But Scotland will get used to the idea.

    "If Mr Cameron keeps up his promises we should be okay. If he doesn't there'll be hell to pay."

     
  91.  
    Text 80295 07:24: Referendum reaction

    Dave, Aberdeen: I believe William Hague said a few days ago that any money raised by new powers over income tax would be clawed back with a £ for £ reduction in the Barnett Formula. Is this true?

     
  92.  
    07:21: 'Bitter-sweet occasion' Colin Blane BBC Scotland news

    This will be a bitter-sweet occasion for Scotland's outgoing first minister.

    Alex Salmond lost the referendum and is preparing to stand down but he does so against the backdrop of a sudden surge in membership for the pro-independence parties.

    His own SNP has added more than 20,000 new members in four days - an 80% increase - which means it has nudged ahead of the Lib Dems to become the third largest party in the UK.

    Mr Salmond is expected to tell the Scottish Parliament that both sides in the referendum can take pride in the campaign and in the huge turnout.

    He'll also say the way 16 and 17-year-olds participated makes the case for them to be given the vote in all elections.

     
  93.  
    07:20: Get Involved Thomas McGuigan BBC Scotland News

    Something you want to get off your chest following Scotland's referendum vote? Send us your thoughts via email, text 80295 or tweet @bbcscotlandnews using #bbcindyref

     
  94.  
    07:18: 'Reflection time'

    Ahead of today's debate, Presiding Officer Tricia Marwick will open proceedings with "time for reflection", a Holyrood slot normally reserved for spiritual or philosophical contributions from religious or secular figureheads.

     
  95.  
    07:16: Holyrood debate

    The debate on the future of Scotland that follow Salmond's statement will go on for two days.

    Alex Salmond

    We'll bring you all the latest lines today and tomorrow as they happen.

     
  96.  
    07:12: Scots made right choice - Miliband
    Miliband speaking

    Also coming up - Labour leader Ed Miliband is expected to tell his party's conference in Manchester that Scotland made the right choice voting against independence.

    But he will say a country that comes close to splitting apart "is not a country in good health".

     
  97.  
    07:09: Salmond successor

    The SNP parliamentary group will also meet today, with nominations for Mr Salmond's successor expected to open on Wednesday.

    Nicola Sturgeon

    Almost every member of the Scottish cabinet has publicly backed his deputy, Nicola Sturgeon, to replace him as SNP leader and first minister.

     
  98.  
    07:05: Parties respond

    The Scottish Labour, Lib Dem and the Conservative parties will also offer their response to the electorate's decision to reject independence by 55% to 45%.

    Labour leader Johann Lamont is likely to offer to find common ground with the SNP.

    The Lib Dems are expected to urge Yes campaigners not to be bystanders as Holyrood pushes for further powers.

    And the Conservatives will accuse the Nationalists of having no intention of accepting the referendum result.

     
  99.  
    07:02: Salmond vote call

    Mr Salmond, who announced after the No result that he would stand down in November, is also expected to call for 16 and 17-year-olds to be given the vote at future elections.

    Outgoing first minister Alex Salmond

    He is also to vow to hold the UK parties to account over further powers.

     
  100.  
    07:01: Holyrood debate

    First Minister Alex Salmond is to address the Scottish Parliament later - for the first time since Scotland voted against independence.

    MSPs will also hold a debate on the outcome of the referendum.

     

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