Scottish independence referendum: Experts examine the claims

With the debate on Scotland's future entering "referendum year", the "yes" and "no" sides are intensifying their campaigns.

But what are their messages and how are they being viewed, not only by each other, but by experts, commentators and academics?

Throughout the coming months, the BBC news website will be picking out statements from both sides of the debate and asking a panel of experts to analyse the claims.

Here, we look at some of the key messages in the UK government's series of papers arguing for the Union.

Currency
cash

UK government paper on Currency and Monetary Policy: "Scotland and the rest of the UK are economically well placed in the current UK arrangements. Independence would change this assessment, even if an independent Scotland were to remain part of a sterling currency zone. Fiscal independence would make the monetary policy of the Bank of England less well suited to Scottish economic conditions."

PRO-UNION: Better Together leader and former UK chancellor Alistair Darling, says: "A currency union can only work if you have increased economic and political union - the very thing that nationalism is dead against."

PRO-INDEPENDENCE: John Swinney, Scottish finance secretary, says: "The benefits of a currency union are clear for both sides in terms of issues like promoting investment, eliminating transaction costs, reducing borrowing costs and facilitating the movement of labour and capital, and we welcome the governor's recognition of these benefits."

Start Quote

Angus Robertson

In a formal currency union the Bank of England would continue to deliver a single overall monetary policy”

End Quote

EXPERT - Angus Armstrong, National Institute of Economic and Social Research, says: "If Scotland becomes independent then the economies of Scotland and the rest of the UK are likely to diverge: for one thing, Scotland would become a large oil exporting nation and the rest of the UK would continue as an oil importer.

"In a formal currency union the Bank of England would continue to deliver a single overall monetary policy.

"Given that the rest of the UK would be ten times the size of Scotland, under any reasonable voting arrangement it is fairly clear to see in whose interests policy would be set. If an independent Scotland had its own currency there would be scope for setting its own policy."

line break
Business
City of London

UK government paper on Business and Microeconomic Framework: "Splitting the UK market, by introducing a border of whatever form, will introduce a barrier to the free flow of goods, capital and labour to the detriment of firms, workers and consumers in both states and risks making it more challenging to attract overseas investors."

PRO-UNION: UK Business Secretary Vince Cable, says: "Breaking up Scotland's most lucrative market would destabilise enterprise and potentially put growth and jobs at risk. My message to the Scottish business community is that we're stronger and more secure together."

PRO-INDEPENDENCE - Fergus Ewing, Scottish Enterprise Minister, says: "There is so much scaremongering going on that people are shutting off. We want businesses to succeed - we want regulation that is appropriate and not cumbersome."

Start Quote

David Gibbons-Wood

Predicting the winners and losers is not easy, but change would occur as Scotland, and the rest of the UK, became less integrated”

End Quote

EXPERT - David Gibbons-Wood, Robert Gordon University,says: "The UK is one of the most highly integrated economic unions in the world and the establishment of a border between Scotland and the rest of the UK could be criticised using basic economic theory.

"Splitting such an integrated market is generally perceived to be against the interest of consumers and against the economic consensus of the last 60 years. A set of border controls post yes is in neither sides interests, and no one is currently proposing a border in the sense of checkpoints.

"A border need not be physical, it could be based on differing regulations, differing income tax or more stringent labour laws. Any of these factors could create a differential between prices paid by someone in Newcastle relative to someone in Glasgow. Predicting the winners and losers is not easy, but change would occur as Scotland, and the rest of the UK, became less integrated. The first small signs of differing prices would come in the increase of postage costs from mail order companies or eBay traders based in England. Similarly, the existence of separate countries might make people view working north or south of the border as no longer viable. This may exacerbate skills shortages as labour markets become fragmented, but it depends upon the perceptions people have if there is a yes vote rather than any actual barriers.

"Border differences between an independent Scotland and the rest of the UK, will be similar to those between Denmark and Germany if both nations remain part of the EU. A vote by the people of the rest of UK to leave the EU would make the debate about borders a central issue to Scotland's future economic wellbeing and connectivity. The danger for Scotland is that a democratically separate 'rest of the UK' outwith the EU might have very different policies on immigration and trade, resulting in significant border restrictions."

line break
Banking
RBS logo

UK government paper on Financial Services and Banking: "As part of the UK, firms and individuals benefit from a world-leading financial services sector and a large, integrated domestic market for financial services, with clear and effective arrangements for protecting consumers. This position would be put at risk if Scotland were to become independent."

PRO-UNION: Former Scottish secretary Michael Moore, says: "If you put a border in the middle of that market, if you introduce different tax and regulatory regimes, it's wishful thinking to think it's not going to have any effect on the range of products you and I can buy to protect our families and our futures."

PRO-INDEPENDENCE: Deputy Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon, says: "We see other small European countries that, right now, have mortgage rates lower than people get here in Scotland and it is also the case that increasingly we are looking at global action, European wide and and global-wide action, to make sure that we never experience again what the banking sector experienced some years ago."

Start Quote

Piotr Jaworski

The clarity of arrangements for protecting consumers should not be very different than the one which governs the UK market now”

End Quote

EXPERT - Piotr Jaworski, Edinburgh Napier University, says: "If Scotland becomes independent with its own separate financial services sector, the clarity of arrangements for protecting consumers should not be very different than the one which governs the UK market now. Assuming that Scotland will be aiming at the membership of the European Union such arrangements must be in line with the EU system, which does not leave much space for differentiations among the Member States or Candidate Countries.

"However, effectiveness of such arrangements depends on the size of the market behind it, which in the case of an independent Scotland will be much smaller. This is especially true in the case of administrative costs of such a system: it seems that on average they must be higher. On the other hand, leaving such costs aside and assuming that Scotland will aim at small and medium size banking serving mainly the domestic economy it should not matter too much. All of this is also true in the long term while as in the short term uncertainty, which must be attributed to the process of creating such a system, would adversely affect both efficiency and clarity."

line break
Science
Robot

UK government paper Science and Research: "The UK is ranked second only to the US in terms of world-class research, and the UK's share of the world's top 1% most cited publications is on an upward trend. If Scotland were to become independent, its continued success in these areas could not be guaranteed."

PRO-UNION: UK Universities Minister David Willetts, says: "British science across the UK is great. Edinburgh science is great, Glasgow science is great, all the other ones are as well. If the best you can say is you would strain every sinew to try to keep the same thing as you had pre-independence then the game hardly seems worth the effort - why not just stick with what you have got, which everyone says is working?"

PRO-INDEPENDENCE: Scottish Education Secretary Mike Russell, says: "We have more world-class universities per head of population than any other country and it is precisely because of that global excellence that in an independent Scotland will continue to attract valuable investment, research funding and students from around the globe."

Start Quote

Roger Cook

While the government paper is accurate to note that the relative apportionment to Scotland (roughly 10%) is higher than Scotland's share of GDP it should be noted that Scottish universities are much less dependent on this source of income than their English equivalents”

End Quote

EXPERT - Roger Cook, The Scotland Institute,says: "There is practically no evidence for this claim which really is little but an assertion. The bulk of research funding received by Scotland's universities is allocated by a fully devolved process as of now.

"To make sense of the government claim, first the ratio of non-Funding Council research income to total research income needs to be calculated. This means breaking the research funding down into the difference between that received from the relevant funding council and the amount of research funding received from all other sources (research councils, charities, industry etc).

"The existing research councils are constituted on a UK basis. They allocated £298m to Scotland and £2,977m to England for 2011/12. In other words, while the government paper is accurate to note that the relative apportionment to Scotland (roughly 10%) is higher than Scotland's share of GDP it should be noted that Scottish universities are much less dependent on this source of income than their English equivalents.

"There is no evidence that the SFC is planning to reduce the core research grants to Scottish universities. In the case of independence, it is possible that the current UK wide Research Council system would cease, it is equally possible that a joint system could be created. Even if all the current funding was lost from the Scottish sector, total research income per member of staff would remain above that in the rUK

"There is no reason to believe that the charitable sector funding for research in Scotland would be affected by independence. The government paper makes a series of strange claims, such as loss of NHS funded research, which takes no account of the reality that most NHS funded research in Scotland comes from the Scottish NHS; loss of EU funding for research, or of the loss of international networks when many academics work outside their country of origin already.

"The only valid claim in the paper is the loss of access to Research Council grants (depending on the post-independence arrangements). As noted this funding stream is less important for Scottish universities."

line break
Security
GCHQ

UK government paper on Security: "Police Scotland would lose automatic access to the capabilities and resources of MI5, SIS and GCHQ and the UK's wider intelligence analysis capabilities. An independent Scottish state would have to build up its own infrastructure because new capabilities would be required."

PRO-UNION: UK Home Secretary Theresa May, says: "I don't think it is possible to guarantee that the threat would diminish with a separate Scotland, but what would change would be the scale of capability that Scotland would have access to."

PRO-INDEPENDENCE: Scottish Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill, says: "An independent Scotland will have first rate security arrangements to counter any threats we may face. And we will continue to work in very close collaboration with the rest of the UK and international partners on security and intelligence matters, which is in everyone's interests."

Start Quote

Bill Buchanan

No matter which way it goes, every nation, every region, every city and every organisation needs to understand where its key risks are around its infrastructure, and try to mitigate against these”

End Quote

EXPERT - Bill Buchanan, Edinburgh Napier Universitysays: "Scotland is a small nation, and, in an independent Scotland, it is likely to have a different threat profile than the UK generally. For us, the focus is likely to be in the protection of our key business sectors, such as oil and gas, the finance sector, education, and health and social care. It is most likely that our defences will focus on protecting citizen rights against threats, while trying to enable increased access to data, and providing citizens with more control over it. Through increased devolution, Scotland has made major strides towards this, in a way which the UK has tended to struggled with.

"No matter what happens, the nation is becoming increasingly dependent on its cyber infrastructure. This is highlighted by certain key internet routes from Scotland to the rest of the world. Any problems with these routes would have a major impact on both businesses and the public sector.

"Scotland mainly depends on its internet and wireless communication infrastructure on route that go through London. Any issues around power outages in London could cause significant problems in Scotland. No matter which way the vote goes, Scotland needs to understand its critical infrastructure and the routes for the provision of energy and internet connectivity.

"In conclusion, the ball has been rolling for a more developed information infrastructure in Scotland, and nothing should stop this. While the nation may lose out on the connections to the larger UK intelligence network, it could gain from a connection to a large international one. No matter which way it goes, every nation, every region, every city and every organisation needs to understand where its key risks are around its infrastructure, and try to mitigate against these.

"At present Scotland has an under-investment in its cyber defence, and no matter which way the country votes, there needs to be more funding around this by the Scottish government."

line break
Defence
Shipyards on Clyde

UK government paper on Defence: "Companies based in an independent Scottish state would no longer be eligible for contracts that the UK chose to place or compete domestically for national security reasons; and where they could continue to compete they would be pitching for business in a competitive international market dominated by major economic powers. Other than procurement activity undertaken during the World Wars, the UK has not had a complex warship built outside the UK since the start of the 20th century at least."

PRO-UNION: UK Defence Secretary Philip Hammond, says: "The debate on the future of defence in Scotland is too important to be ignored, or brushed under the carpet, or fobbed off with half-baked sound bite policies which are financially and strategically incoherent."

PRO-INDEPENDENCE: Scottish government minister Keith Brown, says: "We would increase the number of defence jobs in Scotland, from around 11,000 to 15,000 and we believe that's the optimum number for the kind of things which we want to see a defence force in Scotland carry out - not illegal wars."

Start Quote

Phillips O'Brien

The final point that needs to be made about independence and shipbuilding is that if the union breaks up, the future of all future shipbuilding plans will come under review”

End Quote

EXPERT - Phillips O'Brien, University of Glasgow, says: "The real problem that an independent Scotland would have in securing warship building from the rest of the UK (rUK) is political. States overwhelmingly choose to build their warships in their own shipyards, even if the cost is considerably higher than that offered by outside companies. For many years the UK has shown a willingness to pay this domestic premium, only opting for outside construction - most famously in the case of the next generation of military fuel tankers now being built in Korea - when there was no British yard capable of doing the work.

"That being said, the recent decision to concentrate the shipbuilding of the new Type 26 frigates on the Clyde, while reducing the capabilities of Portsmouth, means that it is almost certain that Scotland would be able to build the new class of vessel at lower cost than anywhere in the rUK. It is therefore not inconceivable for an independent Scotland to secure some work building these vessels. However, to get the work, one assumes that an independent Scotland would have to place orders for the purchase of military equipment from the rUK for approximately the same amount. In other words, it is very difficult to imagine that the rUK, after Scotland decided to leave the Union, would then turn around and spend much money employing Scots, unless it received money for orders in return.

"The final point that needs to be made about independence and shipbuilding is that if the union breaks up, the future of all future shipbuilding plans will come under review. Right now the UK is still trying to maintain enough military force to justify its position as a global power with a seat on the UN Security Council. A diminished rUK, however, could opt for a much reduced global role with reduced capability. In that case, there simply might not be many ships built anywhere."

line break
European Union
EU flag

UK government paper on EU and International Issues: "Scotland will receive €228 million more in structural funds than if it were an independent state. On the Common Agricultural Policy, an independent Scottish state's receipts are uncertain and would depend on the terms of accession, which would have to be agreed by all 28 member states."

PRO-UNION: Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander, says: "The bottom line is this - Scotland outside of the UK would have to negotiate its own way back into the European Union, and as such its terms of membership would be entirely different to those we currently enjoy."

PRO-INDEPENDENCE: Deputy Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon, says: "Nothing we propose changes the material conditions of any other member state - while they are so certain of complete success in their own ill-advised re-negotiations with the EU over proposals that will fundamentally change the provisions of treaties on which the entire EU, and its single market, rests."

Start Quote

Kirsteen Shields

Of greater significance is what lies beyond 2020”

End Quote

Expert - Kirsteen Shields, University of Dundee, says: "Expense to other member states in increasing CAP receipts to an independent Scotland may in time be offset by reduction in CAP receipts to the UK. Member States would likely be motivated to ensure that it would remain viable for Scotland to remain in the EU.

"The budget ceiling at issue relates to a six-year period only. Of greater significance is what lies beyond 2020. In that respect it is important to consider the budgetary implications for Scotland were it to remain in a UK which is severed from the EU or whether, in the long-term, it may be more advantageous for Scotland to be in the EU than in the UK."

line break
Fiscal policy
Bank of England building

UK government paper on Macroeconomic and Fiscal Performance: "A separate Scottish state would have to establish its own macroeconomic and institutional framework. Institutional and policy divergence between Scotland and the continuing UK would be likely to lead to a weakening of economic integration. And over the longer-term, some business networks might end as a result of economic, historical and cultural ties being weakened.

PRO-UNION: UK chancellor George Osborne, says:"Let's lay to rest some myths once and for all - independent countries of a similar size do not outperform Scotland."

PRO-INDEPENDENCE: Deputy Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon says: "If you were sitting in Norway listening to George Osborne you would laugh at him, because they are a country of similar size to Scotland that is sitting right now on a £470bn oil fund for the future."

Start Quote

David Ulph

A separate Scottish state might choose to mimic some of the institutional framework in the rest of the UK (rUK) - e.g., competition framework - or pursue a very different competition policy”

End Quote

EXPERT - David Ulph, from the Social Institute for Research in Economics, says: "While it is true that a Scottish state would have to develop its own macroeconomic and institutional framework, what this statement seems to ignore is that Scotland already has a very different institutional framework from rest of UK - different legal system, education system, health system etc.

"A separate Scottish state might choose to mimic some of the institutional framework in the rest of the UK (rUK) - eg, competition framework - or pursue a very different competition policy. There is nothing inevitable about a widening divergence, this is to some extent a matter of policy choice.

"Almost by definition it is certainly true that the creation of a separate Scottish state would bring to an end the devolution of powers from UK to Scotland. But that doesn't mean that all devolution would end. There are interesting questions about devolution of powers within the rest of the UK, and devolution of tax and spending powers within Scotland to local authorities.

"While true that sharing of fiscal risks would be reduced there is nothing inevitable about not being able to coordinate policies and share costs. Note: Airbus provides example of coordination and sharing of costs across national boundaries.

"Finally, for reasons set out above, I don't think there is a lot one can learn from the literature of trade, labour and capital flows. Given the existing institutional divergences, are Scotland and the rest of the UK best thought of as two regions of a single country or as two otherwise similar regions in different countries?

"But one important point is that it is essential to distinguish trade flows from capital and labour flows. It makes a great deal of difference whether some goods or services are produced in rest of UK using capital and labour in rest of UK and then exported into Scotland, or whether there are flows of labour and capital into Scotland to facilitate local production to serve the domestic market. Institutional and other barriers may limit trade flows but encourage flows of labour and capital."

More on This Story

More Scotland politics stories

RSS

Scotland Live

  1.  
    17:59: Good night Graham Fraser BBC Scotland

    That is it for today's Scotland Live blog.

    Please join us again from 08:00 on Monday for all the latest Scottish news and sport.

    Have a great weekend.

     
  2.  
    17:55: Highland raptors 'not deliberately targeted'

    Birds of prey found dead in Ross-shire in the Highlands earlier this year were most likely not targeted deliberately, police have said.

    More than 20 raptors were discovered at various locations in March and April.

    bird of prey

    Police Scotland confirmed that 16 of them - 12 red kites and four buzzards - were probably accidentally killed by pest control measures.

    A reward is being offered for witnesses or further information which could help with the ongoing inquiry.

     
  3.  
    17:51: Target for Deila

    Celtic manager Ronny Deila has said he has a definite domestic target and wants the Parkhead side to be top of the league by Christmas.

    Ronny Deila

    Celtic are currently fifth in the table, six points behind the leaders Hamilton Accies.

     
  4.  
    17:41: Attempted murders after dog row

    A man has been convicted of attempting to murder six people after setting fire to a block of flats in Mauchline, East Ayrshire, following a row over his dog.

    Alexander Gay, 45, was enraged after his lurcher Ozzie was banned from a New Year party in one of the flats because another guest was allergic to dogs.

    He set petrol alight in the close stairs on 1 January. One guest suffered burns and lost his sight. Another died days later from a heart attack.

    Sentence on Gay was deferred.

     
  5.  
    17:36: Scotland's women prepare

    Scotland international Rachel Corsie, writing for BBC Sport, considers Saturday's crucial World Cup play-off semi-final match against the Netherlands at Tynecastle.

    Rachel Corsie
     
  6.  
    17:29: 'No road safety boost'

    The Institute of Advanced Motorists has criticised Scottish government plans to lower the drink-drive limit.

    Spokesman George Goldie said: "I don't think it's going to have an impact on road safety because in the vast majority of accidents where someone is killed or injured involving alcohol, the driver is way way over the limit, not just fractionally over the limit.

    "I think this will have a much bigger impact on the people who are trying to be law-abiding and who perhaps have a drink in the evening and are caught the following morning."

     
  7.  
    17:17: Analysis - Drink Driving Huw Williams BBC Scotland reporter

    The Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill says drink driving shatters families and communities. If you look at the latest UK-wide figures, they suggest fatalities in drink-drive accidents account for some 13% of all road deaths.

    The new lower limit, if and when it comes in, will be in line with the rest of Europe although different from what would apply at the moment in the rest of the UK. It will be backed up by a public information campaign urging drivers not to drink at all.

    The motivation - to improve road safety and cutting road deaths.

     
  8.  
    17:12: Warriors pair return

    Josh Strauss (pictured) and Alex Dunbar have returned to the Glasgow Warriors' squad for the match in Montpellier as the team aims to build on their opening European Rugby Champions Cup win.

    Dunbar comes back from injury at centre in place of Peter Horne for the pool four game, while Strauss comes in at number eight, replacing Adam Ashe.

    Josh Strauss

    Finn Russell replaces Duncan Weir at fly-half and Leone Nakarawa makes way for Tim Swinson at second row.

    Montpellier coach Fabien Galthie has made seven changes to his line-up.

     
  9.  
    Text 80295 17:03: Drink-drive debate - Your views

    Vic from Shetland: One drink drivers keep the rural, remote and island businesses just viable. This reduction turns rural Scotland into a desolate place.

     
  10.  
    16:55: Sky Sports News presenter Jim White

    tweets: The great Michael Caine makes my day by stopping for a chat and picture in Miami.

    michael caine and jim white
     
  11.  
    16:45: Richard Wilson BBC Scotland

    Brian Kennedy has made a loan offer to the Rangers board, to finance club to the AGM. It is being considered.

     
  12.  
    16:39: Crimestrippers...

    Police are investigating after a naked man was spotted walking near a hospital in Dundee.

    The man was seen crossing a footbridge on Ninewells Drive, near Ninewells Hospital, at about 20:25 on Thursday.

     
  13.  
    16:36: Zero tolerance?

    The government has announced plans to reduce Scotland's drink-drive limit to 50mg in every 100ml of blood. But why not just enforce an outright ban? The BBC's Alicia Queiro finds out.

    drink and drive
     
  14.  
    16:30: BBC Scotland Travel Latest

    On the roads, in Forfar the A932 Arbroath Road is partially blocked by an accident. This is affecting traffic in both directions. In Dundee, the Tay Road Bridge has road works southbound with a 30mph speed restriction.

    In Edinburgh, on Queensferry Road, there are city-bound queues from Burnshot to Barnton because of a breakdown blocking one lane. There are half hour delays southbound on the A82 Stirling Road through the road works near Milton, heading towards the Erskine Bridge and Glasgow.

    On the M8 in Paisley, a set of ladders is apparently lying on the on-slip road eastbound at junction 29 St James.

     
  15.  
    16:24: Rapist and abuser jailed

    A man who was convicted of raping two women and assaulting two others has been jailed for eight years.

    Alan Clark, 39, abused the women in Glasgow, Clydebank and Dumbarton between 2001 and 2012.

    The High Court in Edinburgh heard how he raped one woman who had helped him with literacy skills while he was in prison.

    Judge Lord Carloway ordered Clark to be kept under supervision for a further four years after his release.

     
  16.  
    16:17: Murray defeats Anderson

    Andy Murray boosted his hopes of qualifying for the ATP World Tour Finals with a hard-fought win over Kevin Anderson at the Valencia Open.

    The Briton won 6-7 (3-7) 6-4 6-4 to reach the semi-finals, where he will face David Ferrer or Thomaz Bellucci.

    Andy Murray

    Murray will be hoping that Bellucci can do him a favour, with Ferrer among the 27-year-old's rivals for one of the eight places at the season finale.

    The Scot began the day lying eighth in the Race to London.

     
  17.  
    16:13: Councillor in extremist row

    A Liberal Democrat councillor has resigned after the party accused him of sharing anti-Islamic material on social media.

    Drew Millar

    The Highland Council Lib Dem group said Drew Millar, of Skye, shared material from far-right group Britain First.

    Mr Millar said he did not think the material was from Britain First and claimed he had no intention of "stirring up religious hatred".

    The party said it had been investigating the allegation.

     
  18.  
    16:08: Philip Nash leaves Rangers

    The Rangers director Philip Nash has resigned.

    His departure follows news of a fresh funding package put forward by Mike Ashley, the Newcastle United owner.

    Ashley has tabled an emergency loan offer to the Rangers board.

    The proposal is under consideration.

     
  19.  
    16:05: Turtle stranded

    A rare leatherback turtle has been found dead in creel ropes off the coast of Dunbar in East Lothian.

    leatherback turtle

    It is the fourth animal belonging to the giant turtle species to be found washed up in Scotland in recent weeks.

    The other turtles were discovered on the west coast in Sutherland, the isle of Skye and isle of Coll.

    Leatherback turtles are rarely seen in Scottish waters and experts say they are concerned about the unprecedented number of recent strandings.

     
  20.  
    15:51: Edinburgh derby

    With Hearts and Hibs ready to take centre stage once more in the Edinburgh derby this weekend, BBC Sport's Richard Wilson looks ahead to the Championship tie.

    Edinburgh football derby
     
  21.  
    15:40: MoD housing deal

    A new charging system for MoD accommodation means military families will get a more balanced deal when it comes to housing.

    MOD Housing

    The Combined Accommodation Assessment System (CAAS) will create a simpler grading and charging structure.

    Over 40% of service personnel live in military quarters full time. There has been criticism in the past about the poor condition of military housing at Scottish bases.

     
  22.  
    15:24: Ashley's loan offer to Rangers

    Newcastle United owner Mike Ashley has tabled a counter offer to former Rangers director Dave King in the battle for control of the Ibrox club.

    mike ashley

    King returned to his South African base on Thursday after he and his allies failed to come to an agreement with the board over a £16m funding package.

    Ashley, who already owns 8.29% of Rangers shares, has now offered an emergency funding loan.

     
  23.  
    15:06: Nuns leave Dundee

    The Little Sisters of the Poor have announced they will be forced to leave the Wellburn Care Home in Dundee in the new year due to a lack of new nuns joining the order.

    Nuns in a line

    The order has seen a 50% drop in worldwide membership - from 4,000 to 2,000 - in the last 10 years.

    There are only about eight nuns remaining in Dundee, of which only two are under the age of 70.

    Negotiations to find a new operator for the care home are ongoing. If an alternative operator is not found by January, the residents will be re-housed.

     
  24.  
    14:55: Glasgow goes for Euros

    Glasgow hopes to bring the European Indoor Athletics Championships to Scotland in 2019.

    The Emirates Arena in the city's east end wants to host the event in five years' time and Glasgow expects to be UK Athletics' British nominee.

    indoor athletics

    The venue hosted badminton and cycling at the 2014 Commonwealth Games and will host the International Invitation match in late January.

    It is also expected to host the 2015 Scottish Indoor Championships.

     
  25.  
    14:46: Care home admits mistakes

    A care home has admitted health and safety breaches after an 85-year-old resident suffered burns when she was placed in a bath that was too hot.

    Glasgow Sheriff Court

    Elizabeth Warrington sustained scald injuries to her hands and feet at Campsie View Care Home in Kirkintilloch in September 2009.

    Four Seasons Health Care, which runs the home, admitted failings over its plumbing system and staff training.

    Sentence on the firm was deferred at Glasgow Sheriff Court.

     
  26.  
    14:38: Be careful, deer

    Motorists have been warned to look out for deer on roads in Scotland.

    deer on the road

    Scottish Natural Heritage (SNH) said the risk of collisions would increase when the clocks go back this weekend.

    With night falling earlier, peak commuting time coincides with deer coming out to feed on grass verges near roadsides, the conservation body said.

     
  27.  
    14:31: SNP councillor suspended

    The deputy leader of Glasgow Council's SNP group, Billy McAllister, has been suspended from the party.

    The suspension follows an alleged homophobic breach of the peace in August.

    Mr McAllister, 60, was reported to the procurator fiscal in connection with the incident in the city's Maryhill Road.

    A 47-year-old man has also been reported for an alleged assault in connection with the same incident.

     
  28.  
    14:25: Held to account

    Scotland's financial watchdog has flagged up concerns to the Scottish parliament about the accounts of three Scottish health boards.

    medical equipment

    It highlights weaknesses in financial management at NHS Highland and NHS Orkney and problems with a new IT system at NHS 24 which is expected to cost £23m more than expected.

    All three health boards have received a total of £24m to help them break even.

     
  29.  
    14:17: Energy firm Proserv sold

    Aberdeenshire-based energy services company Proserv is being sold to a US private equity investor in a multi-million pound deal.

    Riverstone Holdings has agreed to acquire 100% of Proserv shares from Intervale Capital and other stakeholders.

    proserv

    The exact value of the deal has not been disclosed.

    Under the agreement, Proserv will continue to operate as an independent company.

     
  30.  
    14:08: Killer held at state hospital

    A man who stabbed his girlfriend 46 times because he thought she was poisoning him for the Taliban has been detained at the state hospital in Carstairs indefinitely.

    Paranoid Lee Hospdal killed Catherine Sandeman at the couple's home in Forfar in October 2013.

    The 33-year-old pleaded guilty to a reduced charge of culpable homicide.

    Lord Boyd of Duncansby said it was clear that Hopsdal was "suffering from a mental illness".

     
  31.  
    text 80295 14:00: Drink-drive limit - Your Views

    Paul, Edinburgh: I'm fine with the new drink limit but something needs to be done with the over-pricing of non-alcoholic drinks in bars & restaurants.

    Stuart, Thurso: Jim (from Inverness, 11:09), you can have as many pints after golf as you like, you just need to get a taxi!

     
  32.  
    13:54: SNP win by-election

    The SNP has won the Oban North and Lorn by-election for Argyll and Bute Council.

    The party's Iain MacLean won the ward with 1,090 votes.

    The independent Stephanie Irvine polled 629, followed by Labour's Kieron Green on 530 votes and the Conservatives' Andrew Vennard with 415.

     
  33.  
    13:50: World's End DNA evidence

    The jury in the World's End murder trial has heard that a DNA sample found on the clothes of one of the victims is estimated to have had a one in a billion chance of coming from a person other than the accused.

    angus sinclair

    Forensic scientist Martin Fairley examined staining on 17-year-old Helen Scott's coat.

    Angus Sinclair, 69, denies raping and murdering Helen and her friend Christine Eadie in October 1977.

    Their bodies were found dumped in East Lothian.

     
  34.  
    13:42: Plaque to the future

    Three replacement wooden plaques, depicting three of the 14 stations of the cross, have arrived at the Italian chapel in Orkney to replace plaques stolen from there in August.

    orkney plaques

    So far the original plaques have not been recovered.

    The chapel was built during World War Two by Italian prisoners of war and has since become Orkney's most popular tourist attraction.

    John Muir, secretary of the chapel preservation society, said that plans were already underway to fit CCTV in the building and they are also considering employing an on-site custodian.

     
  35.  
    13:18: Gallery - Your Pictures

    It is time for a gallery of the best reader pictures of the week, including this wonderful image of Perthshire.

    Glen Artney, Perthshire
     
  36.  
    13:11: Flat fire

    A man has been taken to hospital after a fire broke out in the kitchen of a flat in Glasgow's east end.

    Crews were called to the four-storey block in Walter Street, Dennistoun, at 17:55 on Thursday.

    The man was treated at the scene for the effects of smoke inhalation before being taken by ambulance to Glasgow Royal Infirmary.

     
  37.  
    12:59: Bomb threat worker jailed Evening Express

    An offshore worker who told police he had bomb in his bag at Aberdeen airport has been jailed for three months.

    Appearing at Aberdeen Sheriff Court, Billy Green admitted behaving in a threatening or abusive manner by shouting, swearing and uttering threats and stating he was carrying a bomb in his bag.

     
  38.  
    12:55: Drink-drive limit - Your views

    Shona: Great that there are plans to reduce the limit but it would be even better if there was a zero tolerance policy altogether. Alcohol affects everyone differently and the effects can be changed by tiredness, illness, lack of food etc. I don't think there should be any room on this at all. Drink-driving accidents ruin lives of all those involved. For those who do drink and drive they should lose their licence and not get it back.

     
  39.  
    12:46: Glasgow Green workers memorial The Evening Times

    A memorial to honour people killed or injured in the course of their work has been unveiled at Glasgow Green.

    The ceremony was held 43 years after a gas explosion at Clarkston Toll shopping centre, which killed 21 and injured more than 100.

    Read the full story here.

     
  40.  
    12:39: BBC Scotland Travel Latest

    In Glasgow city centre, George Square is closed northbound for emergency sewer repairs from Queen Street to West George Street.

     
  41.  
    12:37: Get Involved

    How far do you think Celtic can go in this season's Europa League?

    Stefan Scepovic

    Give us your thoughts on the BBC Sport Scotland's Facebook page.

     
  42.  
    12:27: Mosque bomb threat

    A man who posted a Facebook message threatening to petrol bomb a mosque with worshippers inside has been ordered to carry out 150 hours of unpaid community work.

    The message, which 30-year-old Paul Davis, of Edinburgh, admitted writing, ended up on the Scottish Defence League website.

    Sheriff Nigel Ross told Davis the incident was "a prime example of what can happen when comments made in private in one's own home become public and a source of considerable public outrage".

     
  43.  
    12:17: Robber 'may be a woman'

    Police have issued a fresh appeal for information about an armed robbery at a petrol station in Denny as it emerged the thief may be a woman.

    Officers initially released a description of a man thought to have made off with a three-figure sum of cash, but now say it is possible the culprit could have been female.

    The filling station on Glasgow Road was targeted at 21:40 on Tuesday.

    Investigating officers are also looking for a teenage girl seen nearby who may have been a witness.

     
  44.  
    12:12: Sword man's politician ban

    A man who threatened to kill Glasgow City Council leader Gordon Matheson with a samurai sword has been ordered to keep away from politicians.

    David Wardrop, 29, from Bearsden, took the weapon to council headquarters on 2 June and told police it was "to assassinate the leader of the City Chambers".

    Glasgow City Chambers

    Wardrop admitted breach of the peace and possessing a weapon. He was given a community payback order and told to get help to improve his mental health.

     
  45.  
    11:58: The Queen tweets

    The Queen has tweeted for the first time.

    Her Majesty, under the official British Monarchy Twitter feed, wrote: "It is a pleasure to open the Information Age exhibition today at the @ScienceMuseum and I hope people will enjoy visiting. Elizabeth R."

    The Queen

    The account followed up with a picture of Her Majesty at the museum, using the #TheQueenTweets

     
  46.  
    11:50: Johansen relieved with win

    Celtic midfielder Stefan Johansen believes there is more to come from Ronny Deila's side, despite a nervy 2-1 Europa League win against Astra.

    Goals from Johansen and Stefan Scepovic were almost undone when Gabriel Enache reduced the deficit in the 81st minute.

    Stefan Johansen

    "A good team lasts for 90 minutes and not only 45," said Johansen.

    "We knew we needed to get the tempo up to get them tired and be patient and, in the end, the chances would come.

     
  47.  
    11:41: Write your own cheque

    A woman who dropped out of school at 16 and took up writing at 25 has won the Dundee International Book Prize.

    Amy Mason

    Amy Mason, of Oxford, won the £10,000 prize and a publishing deal for her debut novel The Other Ida.

    The 32-year-old saw off competition from 400 entries from across the world in the annual contest, which was judged by a panel including novelist Neil Gaiman and broadcaster Kirsty Lang.

     
  48.  
    11:34: Lord Smith in childcare talks

    Lord Smith of Kelvin, who is examining proposals for more powers for Scotland, is to hold talks with childcare campaigners.

    Child playing

    The chairman of the Smith Commission will discuss ways to reform the country's childcare system.

    Childcare body Children in Scotland has called for "full control over welfare and benefits relating to children, families and work".

    The commission is expected to reach agreement on new powers by 30 November.

     
  49.  
    11:27: Hamilton duo agree contracts

    Hamilton duo Ali Crawford and Grant Gillespie have agreed long term contracts with the Premiership leaders.

    Both players were due to be out of contract in the summer of 2015, but have signed new deals until the summer of 2018.

    Ali Crawford

    Crawford is one of three Accies players who currently top the SPFL scoring charts with five league goals.

     
  50.  
    11:22: Crash victim named

    The 53-year-old motorcyclist who died following a crash in Polmadie Road, Glasgow, on Thursday has been named.

    He was Alex White of the city's Croftfoot area.

    Police say relatives are aware and are appealing for witnesses.

     
  51.  
    11:15: Cairngorms rescue

    Two people were airlifted to hospital after being injured in an incident involving an off-road vehicle in the Cairngorms.

    Helicopter rescue in Cairngorms.

    They had been involved in an incident in the Loch Callater area.

    They were flown to Aberdeen Royal Infirmary. Their injuries are not thought to be life-threatening.

     
  52.  
    text 80295 11:09: Drink-drive limit - Your Views

    Willie, Wick: That's done it for me. No more drink, even one, on a night oot with this new pending limit. My one sweet stout and a game of darts is now doom and gloom.

    Michael Doran, Glasgow: What about 3pts for between 50-80 and above 80 left as previous?

    Jim, Inverness: Nice one Kenny, I can't have one pint after a round of golf now??? Leave folk alone.

    Ian P, Hamilton: Lower limit fair enough. I don't drink when I drive and I don't drive when I drink. Where can I get a breathalyser as I have no way of judging how much alcohol is in my system the next day other than how rough I feel.

     
  53.  
    11:03: The Press and Journal

    Anyone fancy a job as a rat catcher? (it's to help the puffins!)

    Puffin

    The RSPB is searching for a team to exterminate thousands of bird-eating rats from the Shiant Isles, four miles off the south-east coast of Lewis.

    The £300,000 contract will be completed between November and March next year, and the team of ratters will stay on the islands in a bothy with no running water, no electricity and no toilet.

    Fancy it? Read more here.

     
  54.  
    10:55: Modern Sabbath Steven Brocklehurst BBC Scotland news website

    The isle of Lewis in the outer Hebrides is said to be the last place in Britain where the fourth commandment - Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy - is still strictly observed.

    Lewis

    But how has modern life changed attitudes to the Lord's Day on this island of 20,000 people?

     
  55.  
    10:49: Safety campaigners back bid

    Road safety campaigners have backed Scottish government plans to lower the drink-drive limit.

    Phillip Goose, of road safety charity BRAKE, said: "Even people with 20-50mg of alcohol in their blood are at least three times more likely to die in a crash than others with no alcohol at all.

    "So even very small amounts of alcohol have massive consequences on your reaction time - increasing your chances of being in a crash, increasing your chances of killing yourself, or seriously injuring or killing others."

     
  56.  
    10:40: Design of the times

    A new video game inspired by the designs of William Morris has been launched by the V&A museum's Games Designer in Residence.

    Sophia George poses with the ipad game

    Sophia George modelled iPad game Strawberry Thief on a 19th century Morris fabric by the same name on display in the Victoria and Albert museum in London.

    The game enables the player to sketch and colour the famous pattern by flying a bird across the screen of their tablet.

    As the player drags their finger across the screen, it leaves a trial for the bird to follow - and each section of the pattern it flies over then transforms from a pencil sketch to the coloured pattern.

     
  57.  
    10:35: BBC Scotland Weather Latest

    Today brings a mixture of sunshine and blustery showers.

    The heaviest and most frequent of the showers will be found in the North-West, across Argyll, the NW Highlands, the Western Isles and possibly up to Shetland, which could well have some hail and thunder.

    The driest conditions, with the best of the sunshine, will be found in the east. A slightly cooler feel generally today with highs of around 11 or 12C. South westerly winds will however strengthen during the afternoon, becoming strong for most, though continuing to reach gale force in the Western Isles.

     
  58.  
    newsonlinescotland@bbc.co.uk 10:21: Your Pictures - Get Involved

    Two volunteers at the Highland Folk Museum in Newtonmore shelter from the rain as peat smoke drifts out through the thatch.

    newtonmore folk museum

    The picture was taken by Neil MacNeill from Edinburgh. Send us your photographs and we will use the best.

     
  59.  
    10:12: Red dye 'robber' charged

    A man has been arrested following an armed robbery at an Edinburgh bank which was thought to have left the thief covered in red security dye.

    A four-figure sum was taken during the incident at a branch of RBS in Craigentinny on 13 October.

    A 32-year-old man is expected to appear at Edinburgh Sheriff Court later.

     
  60.  
    10:07: Analysis - Celtic vs Astra

    Read Tom English's take on Celtic's victory over Romanian champions Astra.

    Craig Gordon
     
  61.  
    10:01: Take tax to the max

    Labour should support the devolution of full income tax powers to Scotland, a think tank has said.

    The Red Paper Collective, whose members include Labour MSPs Neil Findlay and Elaine Smith, argued the party's current proposals do not go far enough.

    Money in Scotland

    Labour has backed giving the Scottish Parliament control of three-quarters of basic rate income tax.

    Former Prime Minister Gordon Brown has argued that full tax powers would weaken Scottish Labour at Westminster.

     
  62.  
    09:53: It's bin too long...

    Scottish Borders Council's meeting next Thursday will consider re-instating garden waste collection bins.

    Green bin with leaves sticking out

    They were scrapped 10 months ago, but the council's petitions committee has unanimously agreed to revisit the issue, following a plea from ex-Hawick councillor Andrew Farquhar.

    He had handed in a petition signed by more than 8,000 people, addressing the committee from a green bin which he was using as a symbolic lectern.

     
  63.  
    09:44: Piracy row Scot 'struggling'

    A Scottish man trapped in India by a dispute over anti-piracy operations has said he is struggling to support himself.

    Speaking exclusively to BBC Alba's An La programme, Billy Irving said the British authorities had provided little practical support.

    Billy Irving

    He is on bail but unable to leave India.

    The Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) said it could provide advice but not financial assistance.

     
  64.  
    09:38: BBC Scotland Travel Latest

    CalMac possible delays between Ullapool and Stornoway due to adverse weather on Saturday 25 October.

    Keep an eye on whether your CalMac sailing is running on time here, and keep on eye on hold ups in your area on the BBC Travel site.

     
  65.  
    09:34: Online abuse on the increase

    There has been a big increase in the number of young people contacting a charity about online sexual abuse.

    Model using a laptop computer

    The NSPCC's Childline service says the UK figure has more than doubled in the past year.

    In Scotland, more than 500 young people called the charity looking for help and advice.

     
  66.  
    text 80295 09:23: Drink-drive limit - Your Views

    Hector, Fife: As someone who enjoys one beer with a meal, I feel that this new drink limit will be a further death knell to pubs and restaurants.

    Marie, Uddingston: I'm a 1 drink chancer. I say zero tolerance. Sad but inevitable.

    Tom, Motherwell: I am against drink driving. Can we also remove the bars from both Scottish and UK Parliaments to prevent politicians drinking while on duty and making poor decisions on the future of the country!

     
  67.  
    09:16: Douglas Fraser Business and economy editor, Scotland

    STV applies for local TV licences in Aberdeen, Dundee and Ayr, working with local universities/colleges. Already got Glasgow TV, Edinburgh from Jan.

    Camera in studio
     
  68.  
    09:09: Brazil shooting victim 'was Scottish'

    A man shot dead in Brazil during a robbery is believed to be a 39-year-old Scot named Jason Richard Stevens.

    The BBC's Hugo Bachega told Good Morning Scotland: "He was at a bar when two robbers entered the place. One of them was armed, and witnesses that were quoted by local media say that Jason Richard Stevens went to talk to one of the robbers. It seems that the robber was surprised by how tall he was and shot him dead.

    "He died when he was being taken to hospital."

    Mr Bachega added that according to local media, Mr Stevens is a 39-year-old Scot who was an English teacher in Brazil and had been in the South American country for 13 years.

     
  69.  
    09:02: Public sector worker assaults

    Violence against public sector workers in Scotland, including parking attendants, health service staff and council employees, rose again last year.

    Hospital people

    The total number of recorded incidents was over 37,000 - more than 100 attacks a day.

    But Unison says this may be the tip of the iceberg as many more are never reported, and some organisations do not keep proper statistics.

    The Scottish government says all workers should be safe as they do their jobs.

     
  70.  
    08:52: What the papers say...

    The Scotsman reports that a row has broken out over the long-term viability of Scotland's oil reserves.

    Papers composite

    The Scottish Sun writes that a grandmother has been killed after being kicked by her horse. The Scottish Daily Mail reports that a soldier based in Scotland has been questioned by UK and US police on suspicion that he was travelling to fight jihadists in Syria and Iraq.

    Read our full review of today's papers here.

     
  71.  
    08:48: Morning Call

    Coming up on Morning Call, there will be a discussion over the drink-drive plans and sexual consent. Listen live from 08:50 and get involved by texting 80295 or emailing us.

     
  72.  
    08:43: MacAskill's future

    Kenny MacAskill was also asked about his own future as Justice Secretary.

    With Nicola Sturgeon about to become Scotland's new First Minister, there has been speculation over what role Mr MacAskill would have.

    He said: "That is a matter for the incoming First Minister. I will be happy to serve in whatever capacity, whether that's in a ministerial capacity or elsewhere."

     
  73.  
    08:36: Limit different in England

    If the drink-drive plans come into law, it would mean the legal limit in Scotland would be lower than that in England.

    Drink driving

    On Good Morning Scotland, when asked about why a joint approach with the Westminster government on the issue was not agreed, Mr MacAskill said: "We did seek that, but it was the United Kingdom government that decided not to lower the limit despite, I think, a great deal of public support for it being lowered down there."

     
  74.  
    08:30: 'Broad support' for drink-drive plans

    Kenny MacAskill said the plans to change the drink-drive limit have "broad support".

    The Justice Secretary added: "The support comes not just from the police and law enforcement. It comes from those involved in road safety."

    Asked why the government didn't simply apply a zero tolerance approach, Mr MacAskill said: "There are reasons why individuals may have alcohol in their system. It is also quite clear at the 50 (mg) limit, that is when impairment begins to kick in."

     
  75.  
    08:28: Scottish football gossip

    Celtic are planning to raid Alex McLeish's new side Genk for Senegal international Kara Mbodj.

    dave king

    South Africa-based businessman Dave King is convinced he can still achieve his dream of saving Rangers.

    Newcastle United owner Mike Ashley snubbed King's pleas to meet for takeover talks.

    And Dundee United duo Paul Paton and Mark Wilson face a battle to save their careers after being embroiled in the fracas involving Celtic goalkeeper Lucasz Zaluska.

    It's another day of Scottish football gossip and you can read it here.

     
  76.  
    08:25: Drink-drive changes 'will save lives'

    The Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill has said the Scottish government's plan to reduce the country's drink-drive limit in time for Christmas "will help save lives".

    kenny macaskill

    Mr MacAskill told Good Morning Scotland: "There is clear evidence it will save lives - approximately 20 lives at least.

    "The latest estimates show that approximately one in 10 deaths on Scottish roads involve drivers who are over the legal limit. If you have alcohol in your bloodstream, you are three times as likely to be involved in a fatal car crash.

    "This is about protecting lives of drivers."

     
  77.  
    08:19: MacAskill on drink-drive limit

    Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill is speaking on BBC Scotland's Good Morning Scotland about plans to reduce the drink-drive limit in time for Christmas.

     
  78.  
    08:17: BBC Scotland Travel Latest

    All lanes now open following an accident at Newhouse Junction 6 on the eastbound M8, but congestion back to the Showcase junction.

    Glasgow bound M74 - just after J1A - accident blocking lane 3. Police are at scene and traffic is slow on approach, tailing back to at least Cambuslang Road Junction 2.

    Glasgow's Southside - traffic lights are out of action on Queen's Drive at Victoria Road.

    And in Torphichen, West Lothian, a fuel spillage on A801, both ways at A706 Avon Gorge, means the road is partially blocked.

     
  79.  
    08:13: Deila's delight

    Manager Ronny Deila was delighted to see Stefan Scepovic finally get off the mark as Celtic beat Astra Giurgiu 2-1 in the Europa League.

    stefan scepovic

    The Serbian striker, signed in the summer, missed a host of great chances before he opened the scoring with a second-half header to break his duck.

    "I'm happy for him that he gets the goal," Deila told BBC Scotland.

    "I kept him on the pitch because he was getting chances and I know what a goalscorer he is."

     
  80.  
    08:12: Salmond heading south?

    Alex Salmond has said he has not made up his mind whether or not to stand for a Westminster seat at the next general election.

    alex salmond

    The outgoing Scottish first minister was asked on the BBC's Question Time programme if he would consider becoming an MP again.

    Mr Salmond said he had "absolutely decisively" not made up his mind, but agreed that the door was not closed.

    He served as an SNP MP between 1987 and 2010 for Banff and Buchan.

     
  81.  
    08:03: Drink-drive limit cut by Christmas

    The Scottish government is to reduce the country's drink-drive limit in time for Christmas.

    breath test

    Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill has taken steps which, if approved by the Scottish Parliament, would mean a new limit being introduced on 5 December.

    Under the plans, Scotland's blood alcohol limit would be cut from 80mg to 50mg in every 100ml of blood.

    It would mean the legal limit in Scotland would be lower than that south of the border.

     
  82.  
    08:02: Paul McLaren BBC Scotland News

    Good morning and a warm welcome to Friday's instalment of Scotland Live as we offer you a comprehensive round-up of news, sport, travel and weather between now and 18:00.

     

Features

BBC © 2014 The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Read more.

This page is best viewed in an up-to-date web browser with style sheets (CSS) enabled. While you will be able to view the content of this page in your current browser, you will not be able to get the full visual experience. Please consider upgrading your browser software or enabling style sheets (CSS) if you are able to do so.