Scottish independence: 'Deal agreed' on referendum
Nicola Sturgeon and Michael Moore spoke on the phone on Monday
The basis of a deal has been reached between the UK and Scottish governments over the independence referendum.
In a joint statement Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon and Scottish Secretary Michael Moore said "substantial progress" had been made.
But the BBC understands that although a few minor details need to be ironed out, a package of measures has been agreed.
It paves the way for a meeting between David Cameron and Alex Salmond.
This is expected to take place on Monday in Edinburgh.
The prime minister and the first minister are expected to agree on a plan which will involve a referendum which asks a single yes/no question on whether Scotland should leave the United Kingdom.
It is understood the agreement will also extend the vote to include those aged over 16 in Scotland.
Mr Moore, who is currently on holiday, and Ms Sturgeon spoke on the phone on Monday night and are due to do so again on Friday.
'Further work'
It follows a series of face-to-face meetings and negotiations between the pair in recent weeks.
Scottish Office Minister David Mundell said there would be a single question
A joint statement issued by the Scottish government and the Scotland Office after Mr Moore and Ms Sturgeon's latest conversation said: "Further substantial progress towards agreement was reached this afternoon between the Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon and the Secretary of State Michael Moore.
"Officials have now been tasked with doing some further work on the final detail of the agreement.
"We are however on track for the full agreement, including the terms of a section 30 order, to be presented to the First Minister and the Prime Minister over the next few days."
The BBC's political editor, Nick Robinson, said the deal - if it is finalised - will be presented as "a compromise involving concessions by both sides".
The SNP is understood to have accepted a single question referendum, as opposed to two questions including one on greater powers for the Scottish Parliament, whilst the UK government has abandoned its opposition to giving 16 and 17-year-olds a vote.
One questionScotland Office Minister, David Mundell, who has been involved in the negotiations, told the BBC there will be one question and confirmed the vote will be held before the end of 2014.
He said: "It won't automatically be the case that 16 and 17-year-olds can vote in the referendum.
"The UK government, certainly the Conservative party, oppose that change.
Scottish Finance Secretary John Swinney said it was vital for young people to participate
"It will be up to Scottish Parliament to determine who can vote in the referendum in Scotland, and also the date and the nature of the question."
Scottish Finance Secretary John Swinney said progress had been made but "further ground" had to be covered before a final agreement is reached.
He added: "The Scottish government has always made clear that we preferred to have a single question on whether Scotland should become an independent country.
"But we also recognised that some people in Scotland want to consider other options to strengthen the powers of the parliament.
"That is a question we have consulted upon, it is one we have discussed and it has been an important part of the discussions with the UK government, but throughout all of this our preference has been to have a single question."
When a final agreement between the two governments is formalised legislation to set up the referendum is expected go before both the Westminster and Holyrood parliaments.
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Comment number 712.
RICH58810th October 2012 - 14:44
The people of Scotland are a different breed to us in England they are definitely left of centre one for all and all for one maybe somebody can correct me but I doubt they have any food banks in Scotland and the misconception that we in the SE subsidise Scotland could not be further from the truth
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Comment number 711.
steve10th October 2012 - 14:43
If Salmond Expects the UK government to willingly give over £1.5 Trillion of UK assets if He wins the vote while keeping 90% of UK debts He is much more stupid than He looks.
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Comment number 710.
Fred Bloggs10th October 2012 - 14:43
This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.
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Comment number 709.
JasonEssex10th October 2012 - 14:42
690.ziggyboy
Too right, we will make sure Gordon Brown is banned from leaving Scotland
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Comment number 708.
JPublic10th October 2012 - 14:42
This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.
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Comment number 707.
davidmelamedoff10th October 2012 - 14:42
The more the world’s trading blocs grow, the less can nations be sovereign. Nationalism’s fine for printing pretty flags or for fuelling fervour; otherwise good only to allow the world’s new mastodons to divide and rule.
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Comment number 706.
postingdude10th October 2012 - 14:41
@689.Fred Bloggs - It's Labour that should be (and are) terrified of independence
As a Socialist I am never terrified of democracy in action. If losing Scotland means saving several million people from the tory party forever I would take the hit.
What it would do is change the face of English politics!
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Comment number 705.
Michael Lloyd10th October 2012 - 14:41
"651.Harbinger
The majority of Scots hate the English."
This cannot possibly be true, otherwise why would so many Scots choose to come and live here, work here and take a huge number of jobs in the media here? Are they trying to drive us English out and take over our land? I doubt that, just as I doubt your sweeping assertion.
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Comment number 704.
The March Hare10th October 2012 - 14:41
to lfd@44.Scotland is a beautiful country - ( and I'm English.)
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Comment number 703.
Some Lingering Fog10th October 2012 - 14:38
679. ichabod
Why can Scottish MPs vote on education matters affecting my children (in England) but not theirs (if in Scotland), as Scottish education is determined by Scottish MSPs?
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To be fair, SNP MPs do not vote on English, Welsh or Northern Irish matters at Westminster.
You will need to ask Mr Miliband why his Welsh and Scottish MPs continue to do so.
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Comment number 702.
Warren10th October 2012 - 14:38
This would indeed be great if Scotland not only received it's independence from England but also dropped out of both NATO and the Eurozone, too! If I were Prime Minister of Scotland, I would do precisely that, declare Scotland a neutral country and make a new treaty of friendship with the Russians.
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Comment number 701.
Redman610th October 2012 - 14:37
@690. Ah! I wondered when we'd see that tactic! "We'd better vote for independence now we've asked for it, otherwise the English retribution will be terrible to behold!"
What rubbish!
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Comment number 700.
Martin Connolly10th October 2012 - 14:37
646.where am I RE: your UN security council point. I'm not sure that's true. Like with EU membership rights, these applied to the entity of the UK as it was when signed. Scotland becoming independent would not automatically give England and her subjugated neighbours control of these positions, as you imply.
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Comment number 699.
Wicked_Witch_of_the_West_Coast10th October 2012 - 14:36
678.postingdude - King Alec has already said that the Queen would be retained as our ceremonial head of state, so her holiday homes will be safe.
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Comment number 698.
Trout Mask Replica10th October 2012 - 14:36
"ziggyboy
I fear a puishement exercise will be exacted on Scotland by Westmister the like of which will never have been seen before"
What? Worse than that inflicted by Edward I (Malleus Scotorum), at Flodden by Henry VIII or the Duke of Cumberland at Culloden?
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Comment number 697.
Mythras10th October 2012 - 14:35
@672.Al-S
..benefit the Conservatives most politically..make a Conservative majority in the remainder of the UK more likely
not only more likely, almost inevitable, unless England changed its political system it would effectively become a one party state,
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Comment number 696.
Avalon10th October 2012 - 14:35
@688.postingdude, they would probably wait until 2020 as there would be a lot of legal/political wrangling over the distribution of assets, debts etc. Basically it wouldnt happen over night, even it it did the Scottish members of parliment would simply no longer sit in the house which could cause a change of government overnight.
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Comment number 695.
Sidney Monroe10th October 2012 - 14:35
Oh dear- mention Scotch religious sectarianism and you are off the site. Nationalists say they are going to have a wealthy modern country - when the religious divide shows Glasgow is more more akin to West Belfast than Stockholm.
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Comment number 694.
newsman face10th October 2012 - 14:35
"jslevin
3 Hours ago
I wish people would stop clinging to the notion that Scotland wants to leave the union as a slight on the English. My partner is English, I love the English. I want my country, Scotland, to be governed by Scots, ...."
Well tough! I would have like England to be governed by the English from 1997-2010 not by Blair and Brown and the rest of the Scottish mafia.
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Comment number 693.
Al-S10th October 2012 - 14:34
@678 postingdude
The vast majority of hereditary peers were removed from the House of Lords some time ago.(House of Lords Act 1999)
There are over 800 of them, of which 92 are hereditary.
The rest are clergymen and the mates of whatever political party happens to be in power at the time.
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