Scottish independence: 'Deal agreed' on referendum
Nicola Sturgeon and Michael Moore spoke on the phone on Monday
The basis of a deal has been reached between the UK and Scottish governments over the independence referendum.
In a joint statement Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon and Scottish Secretary Michael Moore said "substantial progress" had been made.
But the BBC understands that although a few minor details need to be ironed out, a package of measures has been agreed.
It paves the way for a meeting between David Cameron and Alex Salmond.
This is expected to take place on Monday in Edinburgh.
The prime minister and the first minister are expected to agree on a plan which will involve a referendum which asks a single yes/no question on whether Scotland should leave the United Kingdom.
It is understood the agreement will also extend the vote to include those aged over 16 in Scotland.
Mr Moore, who is currently on holiday, and Ms Sturgeon spoke on the phone on Monday night and are due to do so again on Friday.
'Further work'
It follows a series of face-to-face meetings and negotiations between the pair in recent weeks.
Scottish Office Minister David Mundell said there would be a single question
A joint statement issued by the Scottish government and the Scotland Office after Mr Moore and Ms Sturgeon's latest conversation said: "Further substantial progress towards agreement was reached this afternoon between the Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon and the Secretary of State Michael Moore.
"Officials have now been tasked with doing some further work on the final detail of the agreement.
"We are however on track for the full agreement, including the terms of a section 30 order, to be presented to the First Minister and the Prime Minister over the next few days."
The BBC's political editor, Nick Robinson, said the deal - if it is finalised - will be presented as "a compromise involving concessions by both sides".
The SNP is understood to have accepted a single question referendum, as opposed to two questions including one on greater powers for the Scottish Parliament, whilst the UK government has abandoned its opposition to giving 16 and 17-year-olds a vote.
One questionScotland Office Minister, David Mundell, who has been involved in the negotiations, told the BBC there will be one question and confirmed the vote will be held before the end of 2014.
He said: "It won't automatically be the case that 16 and 17-year-olds can vote in the referendum.
"The UK government, certainly the Conservative party, oppose that change.
Scottish Finance Secretary John Swinney said it was vital for young people to participate
"It will be up to Scottish Parliament to determine who can vote in the referendum in Scotland, and also the date and the nature of the question."
Scottish Finance Secretary John Swinney said progress had been made but "further ground" had to be covered before a final agreement is reached.
He added: "The Scottish government has always made clear that we preferred to have a single question on whether Scotland should become an independent country.
"But we also recognised that some people in Scotland want to consider other options to strengthen the powers of the parliament.
"That is a question we have consulted upon, it is one we have discussed and it has been an important part of the discussions with the UK government, but throughout all of this our preference has been to have a single question."
When a final agreement between the two governments is formalised legislation to set up the referendum is expected go before both the Westminster and Holyrood parliaments.
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Comment number 572.
PerryLuss10th October 2012 - 13:11
None of the politicians seem to be looking at the realities of the situation. Both are more motivated by ideological arguments than what's actually in everyone's interests.
No one is being open with the economics, possible arrangements for defence, trade etc. Give everyone full facts if the referendum is to be anything but an ideological tit-for-tat farce.
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Comment number 571.
Bill10th October 2012 - 13:10
Factchecker 515
Youre hilarious! 33% ! Eh
RBOS was 90% operated from engerland, per capita Scot debt can be offset against trident cleanup. Its an english debt. Have you read the data from GERS or ONS. Your beloved cameron wont debate scottish fiscal matters as he knows we can do it with 48billion a year, with enough spare change to send food parcels to starving english!
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Comment number 570.
Galen1010th October 2012 - 13:10
@561 Dave
Barroso's view isn't widely accepted; other authorities beleieve that both Scotland and rumpUK would be treated equally; either both remain in, or both have to re-apply. If Scotland was seen as a "continuing" member it wouldn't have to agree to introduce the Euro either. The Scots may decide not to be in the EU in anycase!
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Comment number 569.
JPublic10th October 2012 - 13:09
There are few comments here on the cost of independence and the debates on 'who gets what' if independence goes ahead.
The costs will have to be met by the taxpayer who will once again be paying billions to Consultants, lawyers & Government Contractors to deal with this.
All on top of the economic melt-down we are already in - nice timing.
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Comment number 568.
ThomasWoods10th October 2012 - 13:08
Hoping for the yes vote.
The Tory's promised more power to Scotland if we voted NO in the referendum in the 70's. The country marginally voted yes, but were denied devolution because more than 40% of the population didn't vote, a legal ploy Westminster were happy to exploit. Thatcher then destroyed the ship, coal and steel industries in Scotland. It's funny how the oil industry boomed!
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Comment number 567.
wisolme10th October 2012 - 13:08
545. Why should you use your vote? Because it was a long haul to get everyone a right to vote. Not using the vote does not acheive anything the result will be yes or no without your vote but you will have wasted the chance to be part of the decision. If you dont vote dont comment on political affairs you have surrendered your right to an opinion.
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Comment number 566.
nautonier10th October 2012 - 13:08
We should stop calling ourselves British and say what we are - Scottish, English, Welsh or N.Irish
The Scottish want a settlement for 'independence' or if not that a referendum to express their opinion - as do the English Welsh & N. Irish.
The Scottish referendum is not the problem - the problem is the lack of having one for the English, Welsh and N Irish.
UK clearly does not have democracy
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Comment number 565.
Assynt10th October 2012 - 13:07
541.Drunken Hobo
Try buying a pint in any of the locals in Govern or Easterhouse if you have an English accent! There is a billious hatred of 'Ra inglish' that is as fervent and unpalitable as the BNP's views of immigrants is in East London. I object to the basist of sentiment being riled up by Salmond and his pals! Shame on anyone who can't see this for want it actually is!!
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Comment number 564.
James10th October 2012 - 13:06
OK.
Now that the unionists have had their way over the single question issue, there will be a straight Yes/No vote.
Given that the vast majority of the Scottish people favour some form of change, (be it either Independence or Devo Max) they now need to hear what additional powers will be devolved from the UK to Scotland if the people vote to stay in the union.
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Comment number 563.
Hyopocon10th October 2012 - 13:06
In 2014 Glasgow hosts the Commonwealth Games. Repeat after me: British Commonwealth Games. You are all a bit Previous getting hysterical about the findings of a referendum. Most of all Cameron. Would you mind having this walking Embarrassment Repatriated and off the backs of the long-suffering English? Thought not.
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Comment number 562.
Mythras10th October 2012 - 13:05
@522.Damian
the other thing to remember here is that the reason for Union was that the last time Scotland were indipendant they managed to bankrupt themselves
not entirely unrelated to an embargo on the import of all Scottish products into England and English colonies & a threat to sieze the lands of any Noble who invested in Scotland with a promise to cease if Scotland agreed to union
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Comment number 561.
Dave10th October 2012 - 13:05
535.davidmelamedoff
As Barroso indicated, the ‘rUK’ would remain in the UK but Scotland would be treated as a new applicant.
Doesn't that mean that Scotland has to adopt the Euro??
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Comment number 560.
where am I10th October 2012 - 13:05
There is a pattern to nationalism in the British Isles. The north of Scotland is more nationalistic than the sourth and the same applies to England, Wales and Ireland (Though different reasons for this obviously). Bizarre. I'm glad they dropped the devo-max rubbish though. I still think this is an excercise in building AS ego rather than his caring for Scotland but the other would've been wrong.
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Comment number 559.
Stephen Harvie10th October 2012 - 13:04
As a Scot who lives in London (married to a Japanese American) I'm proud of but not arrogant about my heritage - there are far more important things in life
Countries are just imaginary lines on the map and nationalism is a poison fuelled by petty jealousy and nurtured by people who have only their own interests at heart.
No to Independence - it will only make the politicians even richer.
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Comment number 558.
Redman610th October 2012 - 13:04
@503. You can join the army at 16 but you're not legally allowed into combat until you're 17 and a half, it was 18 to go to N.Ireland.
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Comment number 557.
sthomson1810th October 2012 - 13:03
This has nothing to do with finances and economy. It's about nationalism. Are you Scottish or British ? You cannot be both. Being British reduces Scottish to a locality. Being Scottish (as in nationality of independent nation) means you're no longer British. Economies rise and fall all the time this will occur in Scotland wether we leave the UK or remain in it. Economic arguments are pointless.
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Comment number 556.
cholmes210th October 2012 - 13:03
@544
Lol! You seem to have real anger issues. The reality is most Brits don't give a **** what you do. Just get on with it.
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Comment number 555.
Blumphie10th October 2012 - 13:03
463 Xyriach
My god, you really don’t know what you are talking about, do you? Those companies doing business in what would become Scottish waters would be paying tax to the Scottish Exchequer. England wouldn’t be entitled to a penny of the revenue as those oil fields wouldn’t be in England’s EEZ.
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Comment number 554.
Herb10th October 2012 - 13:02
At least the scots will get a break from the 30 odd years of rule by thatcherite politicians ( Thatcher, Major , Blair , Brown, Cameron and Clegg) whose policies have utterly destroyed the UK. We however, will be stuck with thatcherite following politicians ( Tories, New Labour , Lib Dems ) and God knows where England will end up !
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Comment number 553.
Trout Mask Replica10th October 2012 - 13:01
"I am people
I wish people would stop insisting that Scotland couldn't support itself as an independent country."
I don't think that's the argument. It should be are the pros and cons of independence better or worse than those for being part of the UK. And we'll never know whatever the decision as history isn't a repeatble process.
BTW, I could list Iceland, Greece, Ireland, Portugal
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