Scottish independence: 'Deal agreed' on referendum

 
Nicola Sturgeon and Michael Moore Nicola Sturgeon and Michael Moore spoke on the phone on Monday

The basis of a deal has been reached between the UK and Scottish governments over the independence referendum.

In a joint statement Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon and Scottish Secretary Michael Moore said "substantial progress" had been made.

But the BBC understands that although a few minor details need to be ironed out, a package of measures has been agreed.

It paves the way for a meeting between David Cameron and Alex Salmond.

This is expected to take place on Monday in Edinburgh.

The prime minister and the first minister are expected to agree on a plan which will involve a referendum which asks a single yes/no question on whether Scotland should leave the United Kingdom.

It is understood the agreement will also extend the vote to include those aged over 16 in Scotland.

Mr Moore, who is currently on holiday, and Ms Sturgeon spoke on the phone on Monday night and are due to do so again on Friday.

'Further work'

It follows a series of face-to-face meetings and negotiations between the pair in recent weeks.

Scottish Office Minister David Mundell said there would be a single question

A joint statement issued by the Scottish government and the Scotland Office after Mr Moore and Ms Sturgeon's latest conversation said: "Further substantial progress towards agreement was reached this afternoon between the Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon and the Secretary of State Michael Moore.

"Officials have now been tasked with doing some further work on the final detail of the agreement.

"We are however on track for the full agreement, including the terms of a section 30 order, to be presented to the First Minister and the Prime Minister over the next few days."

The BBC's political editor, Nick Robinson, said the deal - if it is finalised - will be presented as "a compromise involving concessions by both sides".

The SNP is understood to have accepted a single question referendum, as opposed to two questions including one on greater powers for the Scottish Parliament, whilst the UK government has abandoned its opposition to giving 16 and 17-year-olds a vote.

One question

Scotland Office Minister, David Mundell, who has been involved in the negotiations, told the BBC there will be one question and confirmed the vote will be held before the end of 2014.

He said: "It won't automatically be the case that 16 and 17-year-olds can vote in the referendum.

"The UK government, certainly the Conservative party, oppose that change.

Scottish Finance Secretary John Swinney said it was vital for young people to participate

"It will be up to Scottish Parliament to determine who can vote in the referendum in Scotland, and also the date and the nature of the question."

Scottish Finance Secretary John Swinney said progress had been made but "further ground" had to be covered before a final agreement is reached.

He added: "The Scottish government has always made clear that we preferred to have a single question on whether Scotland should become an independent country.

"But we also recognised that some people in Scotland want to consider other options to strengthen the powers of the parliament.

"That is a question we have consulted upon, it is one we have discussed and it has been an important part of the discussions with the UK government, but throughout all of this our preference has been to have a single question."

When a final agreement between the two governments is formalised legislation to set up the referendum is expected go before both the Westminster and Holyrood parliaments.

 

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  • rate this
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    Comment number 412.

    The reported proposal to give 16 and 17 yr olds a say in this decision is astonishing. Very few teenagers of this age are mature enough to voice an informed opinion about anything let alone have a say in the future of a country. This is pandering to young people - who do not usually have to make life changing decisions about anything. If I was a Scot I would be very, very fearful for the future.

  • rate this
    -3

    Comment number 411.

    I am glad that negotiations have advanced to a stage whereby a proper referendum can be put to the Scots - hopefully one that is not riddled with double meanings, but one that gives a clear mandate about the country's future.

    I'm not a Scot, but it bothers me whether Scotland could maintain financial independence. To whom will it turn if it is unable to sustain itself?

  • rate this
    +3

    Comment number 410.

    @393

    Same goes for all the English in Scotland. Point is there are many different nationalities in both countries. Its people like you that give England a bad name.

    Personally i am against leaving the UK. We are all different yet stronger together. We all contribute to the UK as a whole!

  • rate this
    +2

    Comment number 409.

    326.JUANCOLINA

    "The ironic point is that Westminster has no mechanism for "cutting" Scotland loose"

    Of course they do - they could have called a referendum and allowed the English to vote on whether to sever the union with Scotland.
    The fact that they haven't done this should tell you something...

  • rate this
    0

    Comment number 408.

    If you were a business intent on setting up in the UK would you opt for Scotland at the moment? Or would you wait on an outcome? Too many uncertainties. Get on with making a decision as the procrastination is costing people jobs. Either side of the border.

  • rate this
    +4

    Comment number 407.

    @392 - If Westminster were to ignore Salmond they would be ignoring the people of Scotland who overwhelmingly voted the SNP into power, oh wait a minute thats exactly why the SNP won the Scottish elections as the electorate had become fed up with being ignored by political representatives. And those not in Yes camp really need to stop focusing on Salmond - its about much more than one man.

  • rate this
    +5

    Comment number 406.

    Why are so many English people worried by what Scotland votes for? I would say that the Scots have got a good oporunity to create their own fate so go for it. As for all the people on here commenting about RBS and the debt, I think that debt was created in the CITY OF LONDON, so they should pay it. Just because a company is called Royal Bank of Scotland does not make it Scottish.

  • rate this
    +5

    Comment number 405.

    393.Dr_Ads

    "When the 1.5Million Scots living in England go back to where they came from then England will be a lot less over-populated!"

    More insular, jingoistic hate speech from someone who DOES NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT A NATION IS.

    I assume you want everyone who isn't white & can trace their ancestors back 4 generations of English should "go back to where they came from" too?

    Look in the mirror.

  • rate this
    -6

    Comment number 404.

    Can't we just set up a border between the two nations c/w passport controls....that totally forbid Alex Salmond EVER coming down south...Oh and can we have a cross the board media blackout that banishes all reference to him as well.
    Thank god he's Scottish.

  • rate this
    0

    Comment number 403.

    It worries me that the 'Yes' campaign are expecting us to make a decision without any information.
    They have failed to say how it will be funded: levels of taxation, funding for police, fire, etc. It won't all come from oil and gas revenue, and as the public sector in Scotland is by far the largest employer, how will taxes on the private sector cover that?
    No independence without funding.

  • rate this
    -1

    Comment number 402.

    395- too true. what 16 year old has a mortgage, worries about their penson, worries about whether their employer will pack up and leave? No, if 16 year olds were proved to be less enthusiastic than the average on separation, you can Bet Kim Jong Eck wouldn't include them in the franchise.

  • rate this
    -1

    Comment number 401.

    Doesn't matter how many times you watch the brave heart, UK will be a stronger nation with bigger voice with scotland. It's not who subsidise whom, it's one nation and its fellow citizens helping each other.
    It's crazy to want to kick scotland out/ or for scotland to become independent.

  • rate this
    -2

    Comment number 400.

    When abroad on holiday,you often hear"Back home in England that/this would never happen!" I have never heard anyone say"Back home in Scotland that/this would never happen!"

    Sorry to say this,You are not in England.You are on foreighn soil and believe it or not they have their own culture and ways.

    It just sounds rude and ignorant.

    Im not a racist i just hate IGNORANCE.

  • rate this
    +1

    Comment number 399.

    @connormcleod.
    The population size of Scotland compared to Norway does not mean Scotland will have a relatively similar economy.
    The Norwegian people are hard working and determined, their benefit culture is minimal compared to that of the UK.
    The Scottish people (as well as the english, welsh and N.Irish) would never be able to match their economy as we have to many lay abouts in our society.

  • rate this
    -2

    Comment number 398.

    "Assynt
    The EU is pretty much governing both Italy and Greece and you claim they have 'far less power than realised'!!
    WAKEY WAKEY!"

    The reason Italy, Greece and others got in a mess was because the nation state was alive and well within the EU. Now they need help from the EU, esp Germany, to get out of the mess they created for themselves, would you not want to set conditions on how they do so?

  • rate this
    -4

    Comment number 397.

    I used to respect and like the Scots. However I must say this referendum debate has revealed their true colours to me. Now I cant wait to be shut of you. Sadly, I dont think, when the true financial situation becomes clear to you, that you'll have the guts to vote for independence.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 396.

    362 JasonEssex

    WRT to your last comments on the other thread, before the facility was shut down the other day. The US Gov's bailout was in the forms of loans etc to RBS, HBOS, Barclays and other UK banks. Those loans were at 0% interest, I might add, and nothing has been paid back. The UK's bailout took the form of infusing capital into RBS and HBOS, and also loans.

  • rate this
    +3

    Comment number 395.

    It's a fly move by Salmond to include 16 & 17 year olds, since they are more likely to vote with their hearts than their heads. They are more likely to be swept up in a wave of enthusisam, than bother their little heads about such trivia as which currency to use, interest rates, etc.

  • rate this
    +1

    Comment number 394.

    #69
    16 year olds in Scotland, are not classed as children they are adults, they are outside parental control and can get married and have children.

    So why is it you think they are unable to make their mind up about the future of their country and have a say in their future?

  • rate this
    -5

    Comment number 393.

    @385
    "The Celts have to take the strain for you opening the flood gates and over populating your country"

    When the 1.5Million Scots living in England go back to where they came from then England will be a lot less over-populated!

 

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