Scottish independence: 'Deal agreed' on referendum

 
Nicola Sturgeon and Michael Moore Nicola Sturgeon and Michael Moore spoke on the phone on Monday

The basis of a deal has been reached between the UK and Scottish governments over the independence referendum.

In a joint statement Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon and Scottish Secretary Michael Moore said "substantial progress" had been made.

But the BBC understands that although a few minor details need to be ironed out, a package of measures has been agreed.

It paves the way for a meeting between David Cameron and Alex Salmond.

This is expected to take place on Monday in Edinburgh.

The prime minister and the first minister are expected to agree on a plan which will involve a referendum which asks a single yes/no question on whether Scotland should leave the United Kingdom.

It is understood the agreement will also extend the vote to include those aged over 16 in Scotland.

Mr Moore, who is currently on holiday, and Ms Sturgeon spoke on the phone on Monday night and are due to do so again on Friday.

'Further work'

It follows a series of face-to-face meetings and negotiations between the pair in recent weeks.

Scottish Office Minister David Mundell said there would be a single question

A joint statement issued by the Scottish government and the Scotland Office after Mr Moore and Ms Sturgeon's latest conversation said: "Further substantial progress towards agreement was reached this afternoon between the Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon and the Secretary of State Michael Moore.

"Officials have now been tasked with doing some further work on the final detail of the agreement.

"We are however on track for the full agreement, including the terms of a section 30 order, to be presented to the First Minister and the Prime Minister over the next few days."

The BBC's political editor, Nick Robinson, said the deal - if it is finalised - will be presented as "a compromise involving concessions by both sides".

The SNP is understood to have accepted a single question referendum, as opposed to two questions including one on greater powers for the Scottish Parliament, whilst the UK government has abandoned its opposition to giving 16 and 17-year-olds a vote.

One question

Scotland Office Minister, David Mundell, who has been involved in the negotiations, told the BBC there will be one question and confirmed the vote will be held before the end of 2014.

He said: "It won't automatically be the case that 16 and 17-year-olds can vote in the referendum.

"The UK government, certainly the Conservative party, oppose that change.

Scottish Finance Secretary John Swinney said it was vital for young people to participate

"It will be up to Scottish Parliament to determine who can vote in the referendum in Scotland, and also the date and the nature of the question."

Scottish Finance Secretary John Swinney said progress had been made but "further ground" had to be covered before a final agreement is reached.

He added: "The Scottish government has always made clear that we preferred to have a single question on whether Scotland should become an independent country.

"But we also recognised that some people in Scotland want to consider other options to strengthen the powers of the parliament.

"That is a question we have consulted upon, it is one we have discussed and it has been an important part of the discussions with the UK government, but throughout all of this our preference has been to have a single question."

When a final agreement between the two governments is formalised legislation to set up the referendum is expected go before both the Westminster and Holyrood parliaments.

 

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  • rate this
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    Comment number 172.

    152.
    rap thomas


    I am Welsh...../////



    - You have my deepest sympathy!

  • rate this
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    Comment number 171.

    "I just wonder how all those commentators feel about a federal Europe" 155

    Interesting point. I think the answer is that despite our differences Scot/Eng/Wal/NI are all much closer culturally and economcially than Germany/Greece/Poland etc. That is why the Union works and the European Union doesn't.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 170.

    Marvellous!. The Scots can get a referendum on their independence, yet we cant have one on the EU. Fair to say that the Scots, because they will be classified as a needy country would benefit from being in the EU, so once they have their independence they can be ruled by Brussels & not London.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 169.

    I visited Scotland for my holidays this year and had a great time. However, reading the press and talking to the people, I felt that they didn't understand the gravity of their decision. People were saying that "I will vote for independence because I don't like David Cameron" They are looking at a once and for all vote for independence as if it was a General Election held every 5 years.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 168.

    With 90% of Scotts getting some kind of state handout from the UK tax payer the sooner the Scotts go their own eay the better if you ask me, Salmond is just a nasty bitter little nationalist who hates England he will drag Scotland down with him so good luck to him and them.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 167.

    The euro is living proof that a currency is unworkable without a single treasury to manage it and a single government to run the treasury. That's why the eurozone is headed in that direction and why sterling works. The SNP want to go in the opposite direction, retaining sterling but throwing away all the things that make it a functional currency. Bizarre!

  • rate this
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    Comment number 166.

    101.afreethinker
    "I know that Scotland would never vote Tory"
    You don't know your history! The Tory's polled nearly as many votes as SNP & LibDems in '10, but have one MP because of the 80's regional boundary changes!
    Sure: in Scotland's most recent history there is a Labour majority but until the early 60's Scotland voted Tory! An 'Independent' Scotland may not vote Labour or SNP!

  • rate this
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    Comment number 165.

    What's tragic about this Independence debate is just how utterly depressing the argument for keeping the Union is.
    Nothing positive in the slightest - just the usual "Of course we're stronger together", "you can't go independent".
    The whole thing has shown me just how little of a partnership the Union actually is.
    I'm considering voting yes because things here are going backwards anyway.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 164.

    @ steve 141

    "-The Problem with this is actually in your answer you identify the rest as being in the UK .
    At the moment it's ALL in the UK internationally recognised waters. There are no Scottish or Indeed English or Welsh waters."

    Not true. In fact when Gordon Brown was PM he shifted the nautical border north to give England a larger oil field.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 163.

    I live in the South West of England where Labour are a virtual irrelevance. Perhaps we should have a separate govt too?
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    -The Latest regional VI poll for the SW places Tories on 29% Lib Dems on 10% and Labour on 40%!

    Incidentally in Scotland it places Labour on 44% and the SNP on 27%

  • rate this
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    Comment number 162.

    So if a 'Yes' means us in England have to put up with Dave & his mates forever, can the borders of Scotland be extended to round about Derby?

  • rate this
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    Comment number 161.

    Alex Salmond and the SNP don't want independence. What they want is more powers for the Scottish parliament but for all the associated risk to be borne by the UK as a whole.

    They aren't stupid.

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    All this user's posts have been removed.Why?

  • Comment number 159.

    All this user's posts have been removed.Why?

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    Comment number 158.

    The thing to remember folks is when the good people of Scotland hopefully vote YES then Mr Salmond might NOT be in power as the next thing to happen will be a Scottish General Election. The country then might vote Labour in. I am not an SNP memebr but do want independence.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 157.

    @141 - the decisions won't make laywers rich - there are international laws on the boundaries of international/national waters - currently 95% of oil is in what would (by clearly defined international protocols) be Scottish water.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 156.

    If as alluded to below the net result is that Labour can't again rule in England, let's get massively behind the 'yes' vote in Scotland. Presumably if we add in Wales that would help too.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 155.

    There are sooooo many comments from people about how the UK is better together as one large entity rather than as seperate, fully democratic independant countries in their own rights.

    Is Scotland better together or better appart.

    I just wonder how all those commentators feel about a federal Europe.

    Better together indeed.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 154.

    I dont think Scotland is Anti English,I would suggest Scoland is Anti Westminster/London.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 153.

    132.mcgoogle

    Long as the Scottish people vote with their brains and not their hearts, the Union is safe. How likely is that?

    Pretty likely. Latest polls show that Scottish support for independence is running at around 20%, pretty much the lowest it has been. Scottish people are sensible enough to see through the flimsy SNP argument. 14th Century grudge is no basis for running a Country

 

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