Scottish independence: 'Deal agreed' on referendum
Nicola Sturgeon and Michael Moore spoke on the phone on Monday
The basis of a deal has been reached between the UK and Scottish governments over the independence referendum.
In a joint statement Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon and Scottish Secretary Michael Moore said "substantial progress" had been made.
But the BBC understands that although a few minor details need to be ironed out, a package of measures has been agreed.
It paves the way for a meeting between David Cameron and Alex Salmond.
This is expected to take place on Monday in Edinburgh.
The prime minister and the first minister are expected to agree on a plan which will involve a referendum which asks a single yes/no question on whether Scotland should leave the United Kingdom.
It is understood the agreement will also extend the vote to include those aged over 16 in Scotland.
Mr Moore, who is currently on holiday, and Ms Sturgeon spoke on the phone on Monday night and are due to do so again on Friday.
'Further work'
It follows a series of face-to-face meetings and negotiations between the pair in recent weeks.
Scottish Office Minister David Mundell said there would be a single question
A joint statement issued by the Scottish government and the Scotland Office after Mr Moore and Ms Sturgeon's latest conversation said: "Further substantial progress towards agreement was reached this afternoon between the Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon and the Secretary of State Michael Moore.
"Officials have now been tasked with doing some further work on the final detail of the agreement.
"We are however on track for the full agreement, including the terms of a section 30 order, to be presented to the First Minister and the Prime Minister over the next few days."
The BBC's political editor, Nick Robinson, said the deal - if it is finalised - will be presented as "a compromise involving concessions by both sides".
The SNP is understood to have accepted a single question referendum, as opposed to two questions including one on greater powers for the Scottish Parliament, whilst the UK government has abandoned its opposition to giving 16 and 17-year-olds a vote.
One questionScotland Office Minister, David Mundell, who has been involved in the negotiations, told the BBC there will be one question and confirmed the vote will be held before the end of 2014.
He said: "It won't automatically be the case that 16 and 17-year-olds can vote in the referendum.
"The UK government, certainly the Conservative party, oppose that change.
Scottish Finance Secretary John Swinney said it was vital for young people to participate
"It will be up to Scottish Parliament to determine who can vote in the referendum in Scotland, and also the date and the nature of the question."
Scottish Finance Secretary John Swinney said progress had been made but "further ground" had to be covered before a final agreement is reached.
He added: "The Scottish government has always made clear that we preferred to have a single question on whether Scotland should become an independent country.
"But we also recognised that some people in Scotland want to consider other options to strengthen the powers of the parliament.
"That is a question we have consulted upon, it is one we have discussed and it has been an important part of the discussions with the UK government, but throughout all of this our preference has been to have a single question."
When a final agreement between the two governments is formalised legislation to set up the referendum is expected go before both the Westminster and Holyrood parliaments.
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Comment number 72.
Graham10th October 2012 - 9:45
Of course David Cameron wants it, not many tory voters in scotland how many would Labour lose.
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Comment number 71.
LandOfTheMushroomPeople10th October 2012 - 9:44
OH FLOWERRR OF SCOT-LAND
WHEN WILLL WE SEEEE...
*cough* *cough* *cough*...
Roll on the vote
The ONLY time in your entire life that YOU will get to choose YOUR future
Are you a:
Braveheart or a Chickenheart?
A tenant farmer or a freeholder?
Vote now please
The final reckoning of the Thatcher era happens in Autumn 2014
The Tories sowed the wind
Now they will reap the whirlwind
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Comment number 70.
anotherfakename10th October 2012 - 9:44
I would happily vote for casting them adrift, will finish any chance of Labour being elected again in the UK, will cut our tax bill (no more subsidies). Will get rid of a lot of current MP's who can be sent north of the border to join their comrades. When it comes to oil, armed forces et al remember who has footed the bill and we will keep them. Can't be anything but good.
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Comment number 69.
Violet MildredComment number 69 is an Editors' Pick
10th October 2012 - 9:44
|t will be a sad day if Scotland votes to go it alone, more so if that is achieved with the rigging of the vote by allowing children to partake. Sixteen and seventeen year olds are naive and easily influenced so it is odd that the Scottish Nationalists wants to include them, except if one calculates it is for the electoral gain that follows. Let us hope that fair play will prevail.
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Comment number 68.
shropshiregirl10th October 2012 - 9:44
Mr Salmond thinks he s William Wallace reborn, and is wanting to give scotland its Freedoooommm.
What has Scotland got to survive off apart whisky and nessie
i dont want the union to break up, even though the scottish dislike the english so much because off the past, sometimes knowing history can be more trouble than useful.
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Comment number 67.
Lagerlord10th October 2012 - 9:44
38. kane “2014. The year Scotland announces dependence on England”
Yes, but only for 5 years or so, it will take at least that long for the Scottish versions of DVLA etc to be set up.
If the Scots vote yes then I’m off to the bookies, £100 on Scotland still using at least 5 major UK government services 3 years after independence.
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Comment number 66.
TechieJim10th October 2012 - 9:44
Seem to remember Salmond wanting a nuclear free Scotland until he discovered the lost jobs - then an English 'enclave' was proposed.
This man needs to visit planet Earth as opposed to planet Salmond.
Once all the RN contracts which Brown placed in Scotland have finished their finances will be in a complete mess.
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Comment number 65.
KickAssAndGiggle10th October 2012 - 9:43
Can't wait for Scotland to leave. The Union is FARRRR better off without them.
Why are my fellow Englishmen so concerned????
Scotland and its people drags us down. Embrace a yes vote.
@57, you are wrong, we suffer for being linked with Scotland. Do your research sir.
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Comment number 64.
Arnaud Sachsen10th October 2012 - 9:43
Scottish independence is to Englands advantage. I would allow English voters to cast the ballot. The Scottish will be independent and our taxes can be cut.
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Comment number 63.
Sc0tty10th October 2012 - 9:41
Why do we want independance I think is the question...if the first minister wants to come to my house and explian what I will get out of it as well as my family and friends I will be happy to listen...until then i'll continue being British and happy to be apart of the UK
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Comment number 62.
Alan10th October 2012 - 9:41
I like the scottish, don't misunderstand me. But the fact remains, that every scottish person i have ever met has been extremely hate-filled towards the english. asking for a drink in a scottish bar will prompt a five-hour tirade of abuse.
So if we split, i will stand on hadrians wall, wave and shout:
"Good riddance, and take the bagpipes with you."
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Comment number 61.
Son of Maggie and Norman10th October 2012 - 9:41
Following reports yesterday from the ONS that only 1 in 12 scots contribute more to the state than they take I for one can't wait.
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Comment number 60.
BeesAreTrendy10th October 2012 - 9:41
So you can't legally have a drink in a pub in Scotland until you are 18, but you will be able to decide on the future of your country at 16.
So, mature enough to make a major political and social decision at 16, but you can't have a pint and fag it seems.
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Comment number 59.
Ewanmax10th October 2012 - 9:41
I am perfectly confident that England will survive and prosper as an Independent country and perhaps its people will one day start to take pride in her own people again. In the meanwhile please allow the democratically elected government of Scotland to get on with its mandate of holding a referendum, so that we might once again regain our Independence and be in charge of our own destiny.
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Comment number 58.
HELEN_of_TROY10th October 2012 - 9:40
There are 2 more years to go before the ballot. Why? It is wearying and divisive. Polls show that the separatists are so far behind that even if they could get all the 'don't knows' to vote for them, they stil could not win. But still they bluster, pretending they have a chance. Let us get it over with. After all, they are always crowing "roll on 2014." So bring it on.
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Comment number 57.
DisgustedTW10th October 2012 - 9:40
I've travelled a lot and it reinforces to me how much the English and Scottish have in common.
Independence is really not in anyone's interests (except perhaps King Salmond)
- England is stronger for being linked with Scotland.
- Scotland is stronger for being linked with England.
As a Union We are greater than the sum of our parts.
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Comment number 56.
Nebiroth10th October 2012 - 9:39
The SNP constantly issue statements to the effect that they will retain EU membership with Britain's EU opt-outs - but the European Commission say they will be a new accession state and therefore have to adopt the euro and Schengen. The SNP are currently engaged in a court action to prevent their legal advice on this matter being made public.
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Comment number 55.
Damian10th October 2012 - 9:39
@25 no, no money would they get from us, that would be political suicide for any party in power. Further, they needn't think they're starting with a clean sheet, they can take their fair share of the National Debt too. Oh, one last thing, just because it's in the North Sea does NOT make it Scotish. Re 16 year olds, yes, gullible. Research shows more likly to vote Yes, why SNP want 'em included.
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Comment number 54.
Stephen of Woking10th October 2012 - 9:39
The negative forces causing things to splinter and the positive forces drawing things together are part of our Universe. So it is in politics. Ever since the end of the cold war the forces of fragmentation have been on the rise. And is the world a happier place? I value our partnership with Scotland and hope most Scots will value their partnership with the rest of the UK in the referendum.
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Comment number 53.
Euro Sceptic10th October 2012 - 9:39
I wonder if the SNP might be successful it the English were given a vote on this issue as well?
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