Edinburgh Zoo panda Tian Tian 'no longer pregnant'

Tian Tian Tian Tian was artificially inseminated in April and had been showing signs of pregnancy for several weeks

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Edinburgh Zoo's female giant panda, Tian Tian, is no longer expecting a cub, it has been announced.

Experts said her hormone and behavioural signs indicated that she had conceived and carried a foetus until late term, but then lost it.

Tian Tian was artificially inseminated in April and had been showing signs of pregnancy for several weeks.

However, the zoo said she had now returned to the eating and behavioural patterns of a non-pregnant panda.

Chris West, chief executive officer for the Royal Zoological Society of Scotland, said: "Such a loss has always been in our minds as a very real possibility, as it occurs in giant pandas as well as many other animals, including humans.

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"Our dedicated team of keepers, veterinary staff and many others worked tirelessly to ensure Tian Tian received the best care possible, which included remote observation and closing the panda enclosure to visitors to give her quiet and privacy.

"We are conducting a detailed review of the scientific data collected, but I am totally confident that we did everything it was possible to do."

The panda enclosure will remain closed until the end of the week to give Tian Tian time to get back into her routine and to give her keepers a chance to recuperate.

Keepers insist Tian Tian received the best care possible and remain confident she will eventually give birth.

Mr West added: "The majority of research centres and zoos with giant pandas around the world have not successfully bred until the third or fourth year.

Tian Tian was artificially inseminated in April

"What we have achieved, considering we have had giant pandas for less than two years, is immense.

"New hormone research is beginning to indicate that lost pregnancies are more common in giant pandas than first thought, though at the moment no-one knows why."

The zoo is renting Tian Tian and male panda Yang Guang from China for around £600,000 a year, hoping a cub or cubs would bring in more visitors.

Some experts believe money spent on captive breeding would be better used to preserve the habitat of wild pandas.

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Scotland Decides: SCOTLAND VOTES NO

  1. No 2,001,926
  2. Yes 1,617,989
After 32 of 32 counts Results in detail

Referendum Live

    16:08: Home Rule?

    Roderick Campbell, the SNP MSP for North East Fife, says the Vow began with Gordon Brown talking about modern form of "Home Rule". He says that has since become "extensive powers" when discussed by Westminster leaders.

    16:06: Votes for 16 and 17 year olds

    During the Scottish Parliament debate, Alex Rowley, the Labour MSP for Cowdenbeath, calls for stronger local government and agrees that 16 and 17 year olds should have the vote in all elections.

    15:51: Not a 'typical granny'

    SNP MSP Christine Grahame pays tribute to the first minister for tolerating her "idiosyncratic moments" in this chamber.

    Ms Grahame says she is not a "typical granny" and she would not want people to attack pensioners.

    christine grahame

    However, she says that while younger people got information from social media, older people were getting the bulk of their information from the mainstream and broadcast media.

    She says they were subjected to scare stories on pensions and the economy.

    15:43: 'Freedom of expression'

    Former Scottish Tory leader Annabel Goldie tells MSPs "democracy is underpinned by freedom of opinion and freedom of expression".

    Annabel Goldie

    She says voters have decisively endorsed the United Kingdom. That verdict must be heard, accepted and now we must move on, Ms Goldie says.

    15:41: A political history...

    Big changes are afoot at the UK's Parliament - but not for the first time.

    By 1603, England and Scotland had the same king but different parliaments. King James tried to persuade the English Parliament to bring the Scottish Parliament into the fold. But English MPs refused to let any Scots into the Westminster club.

    1603 Westminster pic

    Find out more about the changes Parliament has seen over the past 900 years here.

    15:38: The sky's the limit

    Mark McDonald, SNP MSP for Aberdeen Donside, told the Holyrood debate on the independence referendum there was an eight-year-old girl in his constituency who gave Alex Salmond a note saying 'Thank you for fighting for my future'.

    Mr McDonald says Molly's ambition had been to go to university to be an astronomer. "Her mum now tells me that her ambition is to grow up to be Nicola Sturgeon," he says.

    15:36: Miliband coverage

    Don't forget you can follow the latest from Labour leader Ed Miliband's speech to the party conference in Manchester here.

    Ed Miliband speech
    15:33: Debunking voting myths?

    Labour MSP for Dumbarton, Jackie Baillie, says she wants to debunk the myths about the way people voted.

    She says that, while some Labour voters did vote for Yes, there were many SNP voters who voted No.

    Ms Baillie says it's a myth to suggest more women voted Yes, adding that there have been some "frankly reprehensible" things said about the over-55s voting No.

    15:31: English devolution Richard Moss BBC News

    No more detail from @Ed_Miliband speech on English devolution - other than non-specific talk of passing powers to councils. #Lab14

    15:28: Read All About It...

    SNP MSP Stewart Stevenson pays tribute Alex Salmond, whom he has known since the first minister was editor of the Free Student Press in the mid-70s.

    Stewart Stevenson
    15:27: Miliband: Cameron 'pandering' to UKIP

    "If David Cameron cares so much about the Union, why is he seeking to divide us?" Ed Miliband asks.

    "He's learning the wrong lessons from Scotland."

    Mr Miliband claims that constitutional reform is "not about playing political tactics with England" and accuses the prime minister of "pandering" to UKIP.

    15:24: Miliband on devolution

    Ed Miliband says he wants to reform the House of Lords "so we truly have a senate of the nations and regions".

    On English devolution, he commits to "devolving power to local government, bringing power closer to people right across England".

    Labour leader Ed Miliband

    He adds: "It's got to be led by the people. It can't be a Westminster stitch-up. That's why we need a proper constitutional convention."

    15:22: Miliband: Labour will offer youth vote

    Ed Miliband confirms Labour would give the vote to 16 and 17-year-olds, echoing Mr Salmond's earlier call.

    "Friends, let's give a voice to these young people in our party. And let's give a voice to these young people in our democracy, let's give the vote to 16 and 17-year-olds and make them part of our democracy," he told the 2013 party conference in Brighton.

    15:20: Young people's 'energy and engagement'

    Annabelle Ewing, the SNP MSP for Mid Scotland and Fife tells MSPs that "hope" had underlined the enthusiasm, energy and engagement of the young people of Scotland.

    She says the Scottish Parliament does not have the power to change the voting age at elections to 16 and she hopes the party leaders will bring that about.

    Annabelle Ewing
    haveyoursay@bbc.co.uk 15:18: Andy Murray - Your Views

    Gary: Andy Murray is Scottish first and British second. The media, newspapers and TV commentators always says he is Scottish when he loses and British when he's winning. So leave the guy alone and get a life.

    15:16: Jones: Wales at heart of debate

    Carwyn Jones adds that changes in one part of the UK "affects the position in all the others".

    Carwyn Jones

    "The prime minister said on Friday that he wants a balanced settlement, fair to people in Scotland and to everyone in England, Wales and Northern Ireland as well."

    He said that he wants Wales to be at the heart of the debate. I will hold him to that promise," he says.

    15:13: 'Power of capital'

    Neil Findlay, Labour MSP for the Lothians, says the facts are that the majority of the electorate voted No.

    "I fundamentally believe you do not challenge the power of capital by dividing along national lines," he says.

    Mr Findlay says the SNP claimed to want a fairer society but the only redistributive policy it had was to reduce corporation tax for the richest business.

    15:12: Jones: 'Status quo gone'

    Carwyn Jones: "I spoke to the prime minister on Friday. I told him how much I - and most members of this Assembly - welcomed the positive choice that the people of Scotland have made: to remain part of the United Kingdom.

    "But the status quo has gone. Events in Scotland have swept it away and there can be no going back to the way things were."

    15:11: Carwyn Jones statement

    Welsh First Minister Carwyn Jones has been giving a statement to Assembly Members in Cardiff, where he has urged David Cameron to involve all members of the "UK family" in future talks on devolution.

    He also urged the prime minister to ditch short-term "sticking plaster solutions", adding that he would hold the PM to his promise that he would put Wales at the heart of the debate.

    15:10: 'Trust shattered by fear'

    Aberdeen SNP MSP Kevin Stewart says some No voters had their trust shattered by fear.

    He says there were Polish voters who were told they would be deported if Scotland was independence.

    He says the promise of Devo Max enticed some people to vote No. He says the Westminster politicians had done everything they can to keep Devo Max off the ballot.

    @AlexSalmond 15:09: First Minister Alex Salmond

    First Minister Alex Salmond tweets: We have a totally new body politic, a new spirit abroad in the land - one which is speaking loud and clear. Things cannot be the same again.

    15:04: Debate starts

    The Scottish Parliament will now have an open debate on the independence referendum.

    15:02: 'Innate resistance to change'

    "Westminster has an innate resistance to change," Mr Harvie says. "In Scotland there is a thirst for change of the broken economic system and the broken political system which has been propping it up."

    Mr Harvie says the "generational change" is a great thing. He says he speaks as a member of a party whose youth wing is bigger than the entire party was earlier this week.

    15:01: Salmond: Full story

    Here's the full story on Alex Salmond calling for the voting age to be lowered.

    Mr Salmond also said he thought Scotland was now the most politically-engaged nation in western Europe.

    "Wherever we're travelling together, we're a better nation today than we were at the start of this process. We are more informed, more enabled and more empowered," he added.

    14:59: 'Within a political bubble'

    Scottish Green MSP Patrick Harvie says all variants of "Devo Next" point to Scotland needing to be able to have its own powers and take its own decisions.

    He says the deal being brokered by Lord Smith will not have enough time to do the job properly and it can't be a decision made "within a political bubble".

    14:57: 'Inspiring behaviour'

    The co-convener of the Scottish Greens, Patrick Harvie, condemns bad behaviour on both sides of the campaign. But he says he has found it far easier to find examples of "inspiring" behaviour.

    The co-convener of the Scottish Greens, Patrick Harvie
    14:56: Miliband: General election question

    Mr Miliband says everyone in the conference hall "has a responsibility to try to explain why 45% of people voted Yes - 45% wanted to break up our country".

    He tells a story about a cleaner called Josephine he met during the campaign.

    Labour leader Ed Milliband

    "I don't know how Josephine voted in the referendum, but I do know that the question that she was asking - is anyone going to make life better for me and my family? It isn't just Josephine's question, it is the question that people are asking right across Britain...

    "That wasn't just the referendum question, that is the general election question."

    14:55: 'Clear, legal and decisive'

    Mr Rennie says the result on Friday was "clear, legal and decisive". As the first minister said the question of independence has been decided for a life time, Mr Rennie says.

    However, people have high hopes and the parties have their job cut out to meet them.

    14:55: 'Free, fair and open ballot' James Cook Scotland Correspondent, BBC News

    Ruth Davidson: I understand "Yes" voters are feeling hurt, grief and loss. But to move on we need to acknowledge that the process was not flawed. This was a free, fair, open and decisive ballot. #indyref

    14:53: 'Biggest ever endorsement'

    Mr Rennie says two million votes is the biggest ever endorsement for a political decision in Scotland. The Scottish Lib Dem leader chastises Mr Salmond for his comments at the weekend in which he claimed No voters had been tricked.

    Mr Rennie says the Lib Dems proposed that the Scottish parliament raises most of the money it spends. He says they made these proposals two years ago; the party says that can be done within a federal structure.

    He says he hopes the SNP engage constructively with process of devolving new powers.

    14:52: 'Tremendous political skills'

    Scottish Lib Dem leader Willie Rennie says he recognises Alex Salmond's "tremendous political skills".

    Scottish Lib Dem leader Willie Rennie

    Mr Rennie says this has been the most amazing democratic experience of his lifetime. He too endorses the votes for 16 and 17-year-olds.

    14:51: Miliband: 'Together we can'

    The Labour leader, speaking in Manchester, says the idea that won the referendum can be summed up in the word "together".

    "Together we can build a better future for the working people of Britain," he tells his party, perhaps echoing the "Yes we can" slogan of pro-independence campaigners.

    14:49: Straight off the political bat Carole Walker Political correspondent, BBC News

    Ed Miliband appears to be speaking without notes/autocue but word perfect on sections briefed in advance.

    14:49: MSPs told to 'weesht'

    Ms Davidson says "We need to know that this government is going to stop the politics of grievance and make devolution work."

    The Tory leader's list of occasions that SNP ministers had said "only with independence" can something happen leads to voices of dissent who are told "wheesht" by the presiding officer.

    14:48: 'Sit this one out'

    Ms Davidson agrees with the first minister that the story of the referendum was "participation".

    People thought this discussion was too important to "sit this one out".

    The Tory leader also agrees that the lesson of the votes for 16 and 17-year-olds means it must now been looked at across the UK.

    She says the process of giving more powers is real. Will the SNP stop "sniping from the sidelines and get involved?", she asks.

    14:47: 'Credit to our nation' James Cook Scotland Correspondent, BBC News

    Ruth Davidson says the referendum conversation has been a credit to our nation but the country must now move forward with common cause.

    14:46: Don't 'cry conspiracy'

    Scottish Tory leader Ruth Davidson says she understands many who voted for independence are feeling "grief and hurt". But she says that grief is not healed by crying conspiracy.

    Since Friday, we have three senior Nationalists saying there are other ways to declare independence, she says.

    14:45: 'Democratic will of voters' James Cook Scotland Correspondent, BBC News

    Johann Lamont sounding rather angry as she suggests the SNP is not accepting the democratic will of voters, with talk of being "tricked".

    14:44: Miliband: Understand 'Yes' support

    Mr Miliband argues that Labour has to understand what motivated some people in Scotland to vote "Yes" to independence.

    He says people are asking: "Is anyone going to build a better life for the people of this country?"

    Mr Miliband says that was the real "referendum question" and the question being asked all over the UK.

    14:42: Salmond tribute

    Scottish Conservative leader Ruth Davidson says she was 11-years-old when Alex Salmond first became leader of his party. She says the first minister has changed his party and Scottish politics.

    Scottish Conservative leader Ruth Davidson

    We must accept that the majority has spoken, says Ms Davidson. The country must move forward with common cause, the Tory leader continues.

    This was a "free, fair and decisive ballot," she says.

    14:41: 'Not found wanting'

    "No-one believes Scottish politics can go to business as usual", says Johann Lamont.

    She says she enjoys shouting at people as much as anyone but that cannot be the way to do politics.

    The eyes of the world have moved on, she says. Scotland seemed like the centre of the universe when the world's media descended.

    They have moved on but the eyes of Scotland are still trained on us, says Ms Lamont.

    "Let us not lapse into the debates of the past and be found wanting."

    14:40: Miliband on Scotland

    "Our country nearly broke up," Labour leader Ed Miliband says. "A country that nearly splits apart is not one in good health."

    He thanks Labour politicians who "helped save our country", including Gordon Brown, Alistair Darling, Johann Lamont and Jim Murphy.

    14:39: 'Scotland at heart'

    Scottish Labour leader Johann Lamont urges parliament to be a lively, energised place that invites people in and goes out to find out what people think.

    "I don't fear engaging with anyone who has the interest of Scotland at heart," she says.

    14:38: Miliband thanks 'Team Scotland'

    Ed Milliband thanks "Team Scotland" for the part it played in keeping the UK together following the Scottish referendum. He starts his thanks by mentioning Gordon Brown - a political figure he has been accused of missing out previously.

    Ed Miliband
    14:37: 'We need to move on' James Cook Scotland Correspondent, BBC News

    Johann Lamont: We need to move on. We don't need anybody to hold out feet to the fire to make Holyrood stronger. #indyref

    14:35: Committed to new powers

    Scottish Labour leader Johann Lamont says the people of Scotland will hold the politicians to the commitments on the new powers.

    She says she will work with the government on childcare and protecting the NHS from privatisation but calls for honesty from the Scottish government.

    Ms Lamont says the "enormity" of the referendum has taken the focus of things such as education and health. She says perhaps now we can go back to debating these issues. "We should discuss what we can do rather than what we can't," she says.

    She adds that land reform, "bold radical changes," is a journey that is not yet complete. The party's leader says this is an area where parties can come together to make a radical difference to people's lives.

    14:34: Miliband speech

    Labour leader Ed Miliband receives a standing ovation as he arrives on stage at the party conference in Manchester.

    14:33: 'Feet to the fire'

    Johann Lamont says "we need to move on" as there is consensus to do so.

    "We don't need anyone to hold our feet to the fire," over giving new powers to the Scottish Parliament, adds the Scottish Labour leader.

    14:31: 'Settled will of the people'

    Ms Lamont says she must recognise the amazing achievement of getting 1.6 million people to vote for independence. But she says it mustn't be forgotten that two million people voted to remain part of the United Kingdom.

    The UK is now the settled will of the Scottish people and the issue is firmly settled, she continues.

    Ms Lamont says she does not speak for the 45% or the 55% - she speaks for the 100% of the Scottish people.

    14:29: Voting change should be 'embraced' James Cook Scotland Correspondent, BBC News

    Johann Lamont says votes at 16 should be embraced. #indyref

    14:27: Voting change strikes chord

    The Scottish Labour leader, who went to vote in the referendum with her 17-year-old son, said she had long supported votes at 16 and would agree with Mr Salmond that this should be brought in for all elections.

    Johann Lamont says the energy and passion was sometimes misplaced and became aggressive.

    It was not a few miscreants, she says. It was sometimes intimidating and that behaviour is entirely unacceptable.

    "Laying siege to the BBC for four hours" was not appropriate behaviour, the Scottish Labour leader adds.

    14:25: Salmond's political contribution

    Scottish Labour leader Johann Lamont says there will be an opportunity at a later date to talk about the massive contribution that Alex Salmond has made to Scottish political life.

    Johann Lamont

    Ms Lamont says Scotland has voted No but politics can never go back to the way it was before.

    She is immensely proud of the young people in her party who were engaged in the argument and she knows that those on the other side of the political divide feel the same way.

    14:24: 'Peaceful, passionate discussion'

    "This land has been a hub of peaceful passionate discussion," says Mr Salmond.

    People have been enthused and energised like never before he says. There has been a generational change in attitudes to independence. Things will never be the same again, the first minister goes on.

    "All of Scotland will emerge the winner," Mr Salmond concludes.

    14:23: Devolution 'must boost growth'

    Scottish business leaders have issued a joint statement calling for any new devolution to focus on driving economic growth.

    Signatories include the Federation of Small Businesses, Scottish Chambers of Commerce, Institute of Directors, CBI, Scotch Whisky Association and the Scottish Building Federation.

    It says: "With the Scottish Parliament set to become a more powerful force in our economy, the touchstones of the new devolution settlement must be boosting business and growth.

    "It's also really important for business that whatever settlement is now agreed is stable and sustainable, and seen to be so."

    14:23: 'Politically engaged' James Cook Scotland Correspondent, BBC News

    Alex Salmond: Scotland now has the most politically engaged population in Western Europe. #indyref

    14:21: Clamp down on violence

    Mr Salmond returns to the Treasury briefing on RBS in the run-up to the referendum, calling again for an inquiry.

    He also calls for the police to continue to crack down on "pre-arranged thuggery" on evidence in George Square on Friday.

    14:20: 'Three key tests' James Cook Scotland Correspondent, BBC News

    Alex Salmond says "three key tests" for more powers: make Scotland more prosperous, fairer and with a stronger voice in the world. #indyref

    14:19: Job-creating powers

    The first minister says "any approvement of the devolution settlement" will require consent at Holyrood.

    He has three key tests:

    • Genuine job-creating powers
    • Address inequality
    • Give Scotland a voice on the world stage.
    14:18: Miliband speech

    Labour leader Ed Miliband and his wife Justine have just arrived at the party's conference in Manchester.

    Ed Miliband

    Mr Miliband is set to make an 80-minute speech.

    14:16: 'Restless for change'

    Mr Salmond quotes STUC leader Grahame Smith who said the people of Scotland are restless for change. Mr Salmond says the referendum debate engaged people in every community in the country.

    The SNP leader says everyone should support Lord Smith's commitment to proper consultation.

    Mr Salmond reels off a number of economic indicators to show that "Scotland was not on pause during the referendum campaign".

    He says, rather, it was "on fast forward".

    14:15: 'Energised people of this nation'

    Alex Salmond says he was surprised when David Cameron said on Friday that change in Scotland would be "in tandem" with change in the rest of the UK.

    The SNP leader says the statement yesterday was different from this, indicating they are showing signs of understanding that they must deliver their commitments to Scotland.

    "The true guardians of progress are the energised people of this nation," he says.

    14:12: Moving forward

    "Where do we move forward from here?" asks Mr Salmond.

    He says he believes strongly in the Edinburgh agreement and will stick to Section 30 which means he will accept the result and bring forward constructive proposals for the future.

    The outgoing first minister welcomes the appointment of Lord Smith, the head of the new commission on delivering more powers to Scotland.

    14:11: Lowering voting age?

    "There is not a shred of evidence now for saying 16 and 17-years-olds should not be allowed to vote," Mr Salmond says.

    They should be given the vote in all future elections, he argues.

    14:09: Salmond addresses MSPs at Holyrood

    And now the First Minister Alex Salmond is called on to make a statement. He says the presiding officer rightly identifies that the referendum was "exhilarating and empowering".

    Outgoing First Minister Alex Salmond

    Mr Salmond says the turnout in 1997 referendum was 60%. Last week's referendum was 85% and both sides (except for a few miscreants) conducted themselves in a democratic manner. "It has brought us great credit nationally and internationally".

    Mr Salmond says there were a few "mainly Metropolitan" journalists who concentrated on the negative.

    14:07: 'Rippes of hope'

    The presiding officer shares words from Senator Robert Kennedy's "ripples of hope" speech.

    She quotes: "The essential humanity of man can be protected and preserved only where the government must answer - not just to the wealthy; not just to those of a particular religion, not just to those of a particular race; but to all of the people."

    14:04: 'Most deprived communities'

    The Scottish Parliament's presiding officer told MSPs "it cannot and must not be business as usual".

    She says: "It is for the political parties to make their own decisions about how they involve young people, those living in our most deprived communities and women in the future.

    "However, this parliament like other institutions in Scotland must also respond and I pledge to you and to our fellow citizens my determination to do so."

    14:02: 'Humbled by fellow Scots'

    Presiding Officer Tricia Marwick does not usually lead Time for reflection - it is a period in the parliament timetable normally taken by a speaker sharing a perspective on issues of faith.

    Leading Time for reflection today, Ms Marwick said: "I have been truly humbled by the clear wish of so many of our fellow Scots to be involved, many for the first time. How often have we heard people say they were not going to bother voting because it wouldn't make any difference?

    Presiding Officer Tricia Marwick

    "Not this time. Let us be clear about the scale of this unprecedented level of involvement and what it means for all of us. It is now for us to embrace and nurture that desire for political expression."

    Text 80295 14:00: Andy Murray - Your Views

    Alastair McKenzie in Bearsden: Andy Murray is entitled to his opinion and shouldn't receive abuse for it. However, he did himself no favours with the timing of it on the eve of the referendum. If he was going to wait until that late in the process he would have been better advised not to do it at all.

    13:56: Back to business

    MSPs are back at Holyrood for the first time since the independence referendum.

    The chamber session starts at 14:00 with Presiding Officer Tricia Marwick leading Time for Reflection.

    The main event of the day will be Alex Salmond's statement to the parliament following the No vote and the announcement of his resignation.

    This will be followed by a debate on the statement.

    13:55: 'Commitment and focus'

    Scottish Secretary Alistair Carmichael has said agreeing further powers to be devolved to Scotland will "require commitment and focus on the part of all those involved".

    The Lib Dem MP was speaking after Lord Smith of Kelvin set out details of his Scotland Devolution Commission, which has been charged with drawing up proposals following the 'No' vote.

    Mr Carmichael said the process had "hit the ground running".

    Alistair Carmichael
    13:50: Key speeches

    We've got three big speeches coming up shortly:

    We'll bring you all the latest lines as we get them.

    @BBCGen2014 13:41: BBC Generation 2014

    Waiting for @AlexSalmond's speech at #Holyrood shortly. He is expected to call for the voting age to be lowered to 16 in future elections.

    13:30: 'Recipe for deadlock'

    A senior Labour MP has been questioned in detail about Scottish MPs being allowed to vote on laws that only affect England.

    Shadow communities secretary Hilary Benn told the BBC Daily Politics show Labour was "prepared to look at" the issue. But he said there were other "anomalies" in the UK constitution, citing the example of London MPs voting on issues like transport that are devolved to the London Assembly.

    "You can't have two centres of power in a single Parliament," he adds, saying this would be "a recipe for deadlock".

    Hilary Benn
    @PeterMurrell 13:23: SNP chief executive Peter Murrell

    SNP chief executive Peter Murrell tweets: Sporting a new t-shirt for the occasion, this cheeky chap on my desk has a HUGE announcement. @theSNP 50,000 strong!!

    peter murrell
    13:18: Cool politics?

    With tennis star Andy Murray getting involved, and teenagers voting in their thousands, has the referendum made politics cool?

    Dr Lynn Bennie, on BBC Radio Scotland: "Up until now, politics has certainly not been cool. In the past few decades it's not been cool to be a party member, it's not been cool to be associated with a traditional party.

    "But this seems to be re-writing that relationship."

    13:08: 'Back pocket'

    On the SNP's increased membership figures, Prof Paul Cairney, professor of politics and public policy at Stirling University, tells BBC Radio Scotland's John Beattie: "When you get into negotiations for so-called 'devo max', it's a good thing for the SNP to have in their back pocket to say 'our support is going through the roof, and if the negotiations do not go well then the rest of the parties will suffer'."

    12:57: 'Minority sport'

    Dr Lynn Bennie, a reader in Scottish politics at Aberdeen University, tells BBC Radio Scotland the high turnout in the referendum was "exceptional" as politics is still seen as a "minority sport".

    In total, 3,619,915 million people voted, making the turnout 84.5%.

    Text 80295 12:50: Referendum - Your Views

    Joe, Forres: We've got to be very careful that we don't get caught up in ourselves and our own issues, and become an inward-looking Scotland.

    Tony from Lanark: Andy Murray for first minister. He has belief and courage of his convictions. Inspirational guy. Cheers.

    Audrey: The No camp wheeled out a crowd of celebrities from Eddie Izzard to JK Rowling to tell us how to vote, yet as soon as Andy Murray expressed his opinion there was a howl of protest. Double standards?

    @bbcscotlandnews 12:45: Referendum - Get Involved

    Jim, Glasgow: Firstly, 16 & 17-year-olds should not have a vote. They are too young and inexperienced. Secondly, Andy Murray didn't need to apologise, he chose to do so. Thirdly, 62% of the electorate did not vote for independence.

    Bill: To Ben in Partick - I am 66-years-old and proud to vote Yes. Why should OAPs vote with fear? Their pensions were guaranteed by both sides. As OAPs we also have a responsibility to leave a better country and better future for our children and grandchildren. To be brutally honest, any changes to Scotland would not take place until 2020 and how many of those who voted will still be here then?

    12:39: 'Courage and compromise'

    The head of the new commission on delivering more powers to Scotland has warned it will "not be easy" to get agreement from the Scottish parties.

    Lord Smith said those involved in the talks would require "courage" and "compromise" - but he was confident they would rise to the challenge.

    Lord Smith of Kelvin

    The discussions on new powers for Holyrood are taking place after Scotland voted against independence.

    Draft legislation is due to be unveiled by the end of January.

    12:33: 'More powers' James Cook Scotland Correspondent, BBC News

    Lord Smith asks Scotland's political parties to nominate representatives and submit ideas for his "more powers" commission. He says Scotland expects the parties to arrive at a consensus #indyref.

    12:31: 'Raring to go'

    When the Scottish Parliament returns this afternoon, Labour MSP Jenny Marra says she wants to see "a recognition... that Scotland voted to stay within the United Kingdom and how now we bring these more powers that were promised in the 'No' vote to the Scottish Parliament".

    The North East Scotland representative also tells BBC News Scottish Labour Leader Johann Lamont is "raring to go this afternoon" and "absolutely the person to lead us forward".

    Jenny Marra
    12:29: 'Completely overshadowed'

    At the Labour Party conference in Manchester, the debate following the referendum has "completely overshadowed the whole thing", journalist Beth Rigby, of the Financial Times, tells the BBC's Daily Politics show.

    "The problem Ed Miliband has, is if he backs David Cameron's desire to have English votes for English laws, he then automatically cuts out 40 Scottish MPs from voting, so it's not in his political interest."

    12:25: Never Miss A Beat... John Beattie BBC Scotland

    We're talking about the Andy Murray indyref tweet story. Listen live to the programme here.

    Text 80295 12:23: Referendum - Get Involved

    Iain: Andy Murray has a perfect right to say whatever he likes. He should stand by it rather than this response which makes it sound like he's now more worried about his 'brand'!

    Anon: I didn't vote No for more powers, I voted No because I didn't want a Yes. Please don't try to tell me how and why I voted.

    James Crawford, Helensburgh: Andy Murray supporting YES: Why is there all the negativity? He is entitled to his opinion. We don't have a witch-hunt on all the NO celebrities - and many of them weren't even Scottish! Speak out against No and you get a media attack.

    Text 80295 12:10: Referendum - Your Views

    Deirdre Murray (not related to Andy), West Kilbride: Andy Murray has every right to say what he thought about the referendum, much more than some other 'celebrities' who gave their opinions. I'm delighted he supported independence for Scotland.

    Theresa: Andy Murray is a Scotsman and totally entitled to voice an opinion.

    11:55: 'Win win'

    Although the 'Yes' campaign lost the referendum, it was always going to be "a win win" situation for the SNP, Nicola McEwen, of the University of Edinburgh, tells BBC News.

    "It has pushed the UK parties onto the constitutional agenda, onto a commitment for more powers, far more than any of them wanted to go and it will continue to do so," she says.

    She also says it is "very unlikely" that 'Yes' voters will be satisfied by the offer of new powers that will come from Westminster.

    11:46: Labour conference

    The Labour Party conference is likely to touch on the issue of how Labour is responding to the Scottish independence referendum.

    You can follow all the latest coverage here, including Labour leader Ed Miliband's speech just after 14:00.

    11:37: Salmond a 'colossus'

    Alex Salmond is a "colossus" in the independence movement, says Mr Hepburn, who describes him as the man who has transformed the SNP from a parliamentary party of three MPs to being Scotland's largest party.

    Asked if he would be voting for Mr Salmond's deputy Nicola Sturgeon as the next SNP leader, he says: "Everyone is voting her. Of course I am."

    11:31: 'Flame continues to burn'

    Jamie Hepburn, SNP MSP for Cumbernauld and Kilsyth, tells the BBC News Channel: "It's been rather amazing to see the resilience of so many thousands of people who were involved in the Yes movement, determined that the flame continues to burn."

    The 20,00 people who have joined the SNP since the result, joined because they "believe in independence", he adds.

    11:27: Voting age: The other parties

    Where do the other parties stand on lowering the voting age? Mr Miliband called for votes at 16 in his party conference speech this time last year.

    The Liberal Democrats have also called for it, and MPs voted in favour in a Commons debate in 2013.

    Labour leader Ed Miliband

    But the Conservatives are against the change. When Mr Miliband proposed it last year, the Tories accused him of "student politics".

    11:19: Hotel 'sold after No vote'

    An Edinburgh hotel has been sold for £25.7m to a real estate investor who said the deal was conditional on a referendum No vote.

    Redefine International, a real estate investment trust, bought the five-storey, 138-bedroom Double Tree by Hilton hotel in Edinburgh city centre.


    Chief executive Mike Watters said the deal had been "conditional" on Scotland voting to remain part of the UK, saying it was a matter of economics and not politics.

    11:12: Why sign up now?

    Comedian Julia Sutherland explains why she has just signed up as a member of the Green Party - and why membership of political parties like the SNP is rocketing.

    "It's that sense of helplessness after the referendum," she tells BBC Radio Scotland.

    "That was the way that we were trying to affect change for the future of Scotland and because we weren't able to do that, because we didn't get the vote we wanted, this is what we do now because we feel part of a movement, we feel forever changed.

    "We feel we're engaged in a way that we weren't before."

    11:10: English votes for English laws James Landale Deputy political editor

    Tory MPs invited to lunchtime meeting of 1922 committee at Westminster on Thursday to discuss English votes for English laws.

    10:46: New movement?

    BBC Radio Scotland has turned to the issue of whether there is a new political movement in Scotland.

    Journalist and commentator Alex Massie says: "Some of them [Yes voters] are doing this out of denial because they haven't quite got round to recognising what the settled will of the Scottish people is."

    Comedian Julia Sutherland, a Green Party member, says she disagrees. "It's not because I haven't accepted the decision - it's very much because I have.

    "Twenty thousand people have joined the SNP and they've got over 40,000 more than the Lib Dems in the rest of the UK - I think that sounds like a very clear message about how engaged people are."

    In recent days more than 3,000 people have joined the Greens, which now has more than 5,000 members, she adds. "It's really patronising to suggest that's just about people being upset."

    10:34: Jim Murphy's role Laura Kuenssberg Chief Correspondent

    Subplot at lab conf, pressure on Jim Murphy to take on Scottish leadership - tricky as Johann Lamont in place, but he proved huge worth in indyref.

    @bbcscotlandnews 10:32: Referendum - Your Views

    Gary McAlonan: The legacy of the referendum should empower everyone one to keep a pulse with all the current politics of the day. We need to be the watchers of our politicians and keep them in line with the will of the people. When we switch off, the politicians seem to rush through bills that not many people want.

    Lee Wootton: Re, Iain Brown from Dundee. Funny that you believe the people who voted majority "Yes" should get a vote but those who voted majority "No" shouldn't? If the vote had gone the opposite way would you now be calling for no under 18's to vote? Gerrymandering much?

    Mark, Dunfermline: A lot of spite and vengeance being poured forth by frustrated Yes campaigners. Can they not accept that they were by far in the minority? Politicians come and go, priorities and policies change over time, and governments never have enough money to do what they hope to do. Vote for the future knowing that, not remembering one failed moment in the past.

    10:26: Salmond spat

    First Minister Alex Salmond has written a letter to The Herald in reply to an article on Monday by commentator and Salmond biographer David Torrance, in which Mr Torrance praised the SNP leader's "significant personal achievement" but questioned his economic analysis and referred to "pettiness" and "downright rudeness".

    Outgoing First Minister Alex Salmond

    In his response, Mr Salmond said: "First, I hardly know David Torrance. And secondly - and much more problematically for a biographer - he doesn't know me at all."

    Mr Torrance has tweeted in reply: "I think this might be the proudest moment of my career..."

    10:18: Youth vote

    Just a reminder of why today's discussion focused on the issue of 16 and 17-year-olds voting - Alex Salmond is to call for people in this age group to be given the vote at all future elections.

    He's set to make the plea this afternoon, as Holyrood reconvenes for the first time since the referendum.

    10:12: Young electorate

    Glasgow boasts the biggest population in Scotland and also has a high number of teen voters. Figures from the 2011 Census show the city had more than 18,000 people aged 13-15.

    Depending on when their birthday falls, these youngsters will now be aged 16-19.



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