The strange status of 16-year-olds

Teen soldiers, protestors, voter, drinker

The age of 18 is widely accepted as the start of adulthood but those one or two years younger occupy a strange twilight zone where they are given many freedoms and responsibilities but denied others.

The Scottish government has just published its plans to allow 16- and 17 year-olds to vote in next year's independence referendum

For some it will help fuel the long-standing debate over whether the voting age should be lowered to 16 across the UK.

Proponents of the franchise for 16-year-olds point out that they can live on their own, get married, pay taxes and die for their country but cannot vote.

But it's not that simple.

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Voting can't blow your hands off, but fireworks can”

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In England and Wales anyone wanting to get married at 16 must have parental consent, although this is not the case in Scotland.

If you want to join the Army at 16, you will need permission from your parents, and under-18s are no longer sent to frontline war zones. No British soldiers under the age of 18 have died in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Living on one's own at 16 is not an easy option. There are difficulties gaining credit and 16-year-olds are not eligible for the same benefits - or even the same minimum wage - as older people.

Even leaving school at 16 is difficult, with moves to make sure young people stay on in education or training until they are 18.

Despite any perception one might pick up from the debate on voting at 16, the trend for law-makers is to raise age limits, says Philip Cowley, professor of politics at the University of Nottingham. It is "completely untrue" to think children are growing up quicker than they used to.

Underage drinking, Inbetweeners style

There is a classic scene in E4's The Inbetweeners that demonstrates the complexity of underage drinking:

Will: The law states 16-year-olds can legally drink cider, perry or mead in a pub if they're eating a meal. So I'll have three pints of cider and three carvery dinners, please.

Bartender: It also states if it is bought by an adult and accompanied by an adult. No adult, no alcohol, I'm afraid.

This is correct - if 16 or 17 and with an adult, you can drink beer, wine or cider with a meal. The law also states children over the age of five can legally drink alcohol at home.

"If you go back 30 or 40 years people were leaving school at 15, they were getting married earlier, they were having children earlier, they were working and paying taxes earlier than they are now," says Cowley.

"There has been a generational shift in terms of the slowing down the development of young people."

Tam Baillie, Scotland's commissioner for children and young people, agrees that there has been a shift towards greater protection of children over the years and that is reflected in recent legislation.

For instance, in 2003 the law on making or distributing indecent images of children was changed to raise the legal definition of a child from 16 to 18.

Once, tabloid newspapers were allowed to print topless pictures of 16-year-olds. Now that is inconceivable.

The change in the Sexual Offences Act was designed to protect under-18s from being exploited in pornography. The law makes clear that those married to or living together as partners with a 16-year-old can still legally make and possess such images.

teenage soldiers on parade

Baillie says he does not think there is a rational explanation for why there are so many different age limits for activities such as sex, alcohol consumption and criminal justice.

"These things have happened over time and our perception of childhood has changed over the years," he says.

Baillie believes if we were to start again with a "blank page" we would still create new anomalies as our values and perceptions would again change over time.

One development which has influenced thinking in the past couple of decades is the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child.

This piece of international law requires that states act in the best interests of the child, which it defines as anyone under 18.

Tam Baillie says the convention "throws up some challenges in terms of our previous approaches".

About 10 years ago, an addition to the UN convention led to the measures to ensure members of the armed forces under the age of 18 did not take a direct part in armed conflict.

"This is a good example of how we have shifted back and we now see 18 as the age rather than an earlier age," says Cowley.

Ross Greer, 18, a former member of the Scottish Youth Parliament and a member of the Scottish Green party, believes that young people should be able to start their own independent lives at 16.

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There are bars in Glasgow that won't serve you unless you can prove you are 21”

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But the current social climate is for children to stay at school or in vocational training until 18.

In England, the law has been changed so that by 2015, all young people will have to stay on in education or training at least part-time until 18. In Scotland, the Opportunities for All scheme guarantees a place in education or training for 16- to 19-year-olds.

Under-18s cannot usually claim benefits such as Jobseeker's Allowance and Income Support.

But Greer says even if they are still at school, there is no reason why under-18s should not be listened to and be able to do some of the things which are currently prohibited.

Although he understands that not being able to buy fireworks or place a bet until you are 18 (although 16 for the lottery) reduces the dangers to which young people are exposed, Greer says the idea of maturity is "incredibly arbitrary".

"To say you have magically achieved maturity at 18 is mad because we all know 40-year-olds who are completely immature," he says.

Prof Henry Maitles, head of the education department at the University of the West of Scotland, agrees that 18 is an "arbitrary" age to decide on adulthood and says that some places have gone further in order to ensure responsible behaviour.

"There are some bars in Glasgow that won't serve you unless you can prove you are 21," he says.

Lighting a firework

"We may have a legal position where we make it as hard as possible for young people under the age of 18 to drink but I don't think any of us are naive enough to think that under-18s don't drink occasionally."

He talks about educating under-18s to be responsible enough to make these decisions.

The same is true for sexual relations, where the law has been framed to be realistic about the activities of young people but they have been given special protections in certain circumstances.

Although teenagers of 16 or older can have sex it is illegal for someone in a "position of trust" - such as teachers, carers and doctors - to have sex with someone under 18.

"The point underlining this is an assumption that says 'you might still be vulnerable and we need to protect you on that basis'," Cowley says

And Baillie believes that giving extra protection to under-18s is totally consistent with paying more attention to their views and trusting young people to have more of a role in democracy, such as voting.

"Voting can't blow your hands off but fireworks can," Greer suggests.

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  • rate this

    Comment number 568.

    Just treat them like people. "Adults" are just bigger versions of children.

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    Comment number 567.

    Perhaps we should rather be RESTRICTING the franchise to those who:
    a) Have served in the Army/Police/Fire Service
    b) Have attained a minimum of 5 grade B GCSEs in "core" subjects
    c) Pay UK income tax

    I find the comments of "The British Public" so depressingly foolish, far too foolish to have a say in their own future.

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    Comment number 566.

    Pure and simple manipulation of a demographic that the SNP know will,regardless,likely support their cause if for no other reason youth typically votes against status quo in every situation.Its a breathtakingly cynical pursuit of a portion of society who havent the life experience to even conceive of the consequences of their actions.Shame.Saying that the SNP play to win,and will play every card

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    Comment number 565.

    50% of serving MPs fiddled their expenses-all adults.
    The financial crisis was caused by adults.
    Adults made the case for the UKs involvement in the flawed invasion of Iraq.

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    Comment number 564.

    Some young people are mature enough at 14 to vote, to work (they should all have a part-time after school or Saturday job at this age) and capable of making sensible decisions and understanding politics, world events etc. Others never get to that level, even when they are old enough to be collecting their pensions.

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    Comment number 563.

    9 Hours ago

    I get annoyed when my 15 year old son is charged an adult ticket price when we fly somewhere...

    Yes it should mean the airline are charged with fraud and deception since they are knowingly charging a child an adult fare.

    I hate is weekly bus passes that you cant use after 8pm leaving my kids stranded a few times recently. weekly means WEEKLY not the hours you pick..

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    Comment number 562.

    558 RayTay: If under 18's aren't allowed to cook then why was I cooking dinner for me and my mum all by myself at 7. Social services knew about it and did absolutely nothing. Some youngsters have no choice but to be the 'Adult' of the house. That's why young carers are and that's why 16 year olds should be given a voice because the government need to know that there is no support for young carers.

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    Comment number 561.

    Not only are the SNP staggeringly cynical they are also totally transparent. It just shows the utter contempt with which they view the electorate that they try and treat us as such fools

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    Comment number 560.

    If they work and contribute to society then of course,unfortunately I heard a debate yesterday were a 16 year old stated "of course we should be able to like vote and stuff( pitched as if asking a question!) because we like need our like benefits and stuff!" This was applauded! No mention of WORK! Spoken like an illiterate Australian soap actor.If they don't want to work and can't speak no way.

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    Comment number 559.

    558 RayTay
    Most 16 year-olds can't afford to set up home, unless the state pays for it, and then they'd probably vote the whoever pays for the house! I'm not knocking them, I was one myself once, but I don't think that the majority are mature enough to understand the whole process and make a rational decision.

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    Comment number 558.

    Currently you can set up home as a sixteen year old, but you can't cook as it is illegal to buy (or be given) a knife.

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    Comment number 557.

    "Police say Kurt Meyers, 64, opened fire at a car wash and then a barber shop in neighbouring villages, killing two at each location and wounding two others."
    What age was the nutter in Dunblane?
    What age was the taxi driver who ran amock in Cumbria?
    What age was the accused,Sir Jimmy Saville?
    The moron from Newcastle who shot unarmed police?
    The other one eyed creep who shot 2 WPC?
    All ADULTS.

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    Comment number 556.

    I agree.

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    Comment number 555.

    I'm 16, but I don't think someone of my age should be allowed to vote. A lot of people I know that are my age know hardly anything about political parties or politics in general, so giving them the vote would be stupid. Also most views of people my age are hugely influenced by our parents and by us having a vote, in a lot of cases it would just be like our parents having two votes...

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    Comment number 554.

    Nick Lawton
    10 Minutes ago

    No I am saying that an anomaly in the law that treats 17 year olds as adults one minuet and as children the next cant be right. Please check out the full story

    UK law is a joke.

    3 Minutes ago

    Are U18's competent enough to vote ?

    Same as a lot of adults then imo.

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    Comment number 553.

    I'd have thought that most 16/17 year olds have too much to do to pass their exams to get heavily involved in who (or what) to vote for. There's a lot to understand about what is involved in the whole process, it's not just a case of going and making a cross for the person you think is the best, they have to BE the best candidate for the job. Many adults don't seem to realise this either.

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    Comment number 552.

    527. Del: People do mature in a very wide age range. I'm sorry to offend anyone but some people take privileges and rights for granted. Give some 16-18 year olds my childhood for one day and they would learn how some people would love to be a child but have to cook, clean and care for parents who are too ill to vote and learn to be an 'Adult'. Truth is carers under 18 don't get much support.

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    Comment number 551.

    How on earth can 16 to 18 years old be classed as adults when they can receive child benefit at 20 years old doing a 12 hour per week education course. Farsical

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    Comment number 550.

    534. Spot on. I'd much rather we werent sending 17 year olds off to kill or be killed in the first place, thousands of miles away, for national security. Any teenagers reading this....dont be on too much of a rush to be adults, its not all sunshine and lollipops

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    Comment number 549.

    Are U18's competent enough to vote ? Some are and some are not. They young tend to be more reactionary and make a decision without great thought I feel, but that is just my my view.
    I have a couple of comments to make to other posters
    @546 surely you mean a Scottish government
    @544 I would make driving age 21. Maybe less youngsters would die on the road. and it would reduce cars on the roads


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