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New rules on how long EU jobseekers will have to wait to claim benefits are to be brought in early, No 10 has said.

The change to a three-month wait before EU citizens can apply for UK out-of-work benefits is being rushed through Parliament to start on 1 January.

It coincides with the date people from both Romania and Bulgaria will be able to work in the UK without restrictions.

David Cameron said the move sent a "clear message", but Labour said it had been left to the "very last minute".

'Phantom measures'

But critics say EU rules already mean residents of one country are not expected to claim benefits in another for their first three months there.

Jonathan Portes, director of the National Institute of Economic and Social Research, said the government was bringing in "phantom measures to combat a phantom problem".

Measures to restrict so-called benefit tourism - backed by the Liberal Democrats - were announced last month amid concerns about a possible influx of Romanians and Bulgarians when they gain full rights to work in the UK at the start of 2014.

Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith: "We are saying to people, benefit tourism is out"

It is not known how many will come. There are currently more than 100,000 working in the country.

Under regulations being tabled in Parliament on Wednesday, migrants from all EU states will have to wait for three months before applying for Jobseeker's Allowance and other out-of-work benefits.

'Direct action'

When the new restriction was announced, Downing Street said it was unlikely it would be in place in time for the 1 January deadline - when transitional controls on Bulgaria and Romanian workers in place since 2007 expire.

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I want to send the clear message that whilst Britain is very much open for business, we will not welcome people who don't want to contribute”

End Quote David Cameron

But it is now being pushed through Parliament before it rises for the Christmas recess on Thursday to enable that to happen.

Mr Cameron said the government was acting on public concerns that some migrants from across the EU were coming to the UK to take advantage of the welfare system and public services like the NHS.

"As part of our long-term plan for the economy, we are taking direct action to fix the welfare and immigration systems so we will end the something-for-nothing culture and deliver for people who play by the rules," he said.

"Accelerating the start of these new restrictions will make the UK a less attractive place for EU migrants who want to come here and try to live off the state.

"I want to send the clear message that, whilst Britain is very much open for business, we will not welcome people who don't want to contribute."

'Chaotic'

EU rules allow benefit recipients to receive payments from their home country for three months when they move.

Those wishing to do so have to fill out a form authorising the "export" of their benefits. However those staying longer than three months in another country without finding a job or getting an extension will lose their entitlements.

Mr Portes told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the government had not released figures showing the number of immigrants claiming UK benefits during their first three months in the country.

He said: "It's possible it will undermine their case or that they're not interested - that they don't really care if the policy has an impact at all and they just want something to announce. It's one or the other."

Mr Portes also said: "It's a bit of a mystery. A number of people have described these measures as phantom measures to combat a phantom problem. That seems to me to be about right."

For Labour, shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper said she had called for the changes to be put in place nine months ago but they were being introduced in a "chaotic" fashion.

Graphic: Foreign-born workers in the UK, by country of birth

"David Cameron has left it until the very last minute to squeeze this change in," she said.

Other changes announced by the prime minister last month included:

  • Only those who can provide compelling evidence that they have a genuine chance of finding work being allowed to continue claiming benefits after six months.
  • Beefing up the "habitual residence" eligibility test for claimants
  • Preventing people who have been removed for begging or sleeping rough from returning for 12 months
  • Increasing fines for businesses found not to be paying the national minimum wage

UK ministers have declined to say how many people they expect to come to the UK following the lifting of controls but Bulgarian officials say they expect about 8,000 of their citizens to make the move every year.

Shadow immigration minster David Hanson says the government needs to "do more" to tackle issues with migrant workers

Pressure group MigrationWatch UK says the figure will be much higher and it expects 50,000 people to come from Bulgaria and Romania each year for the next five years.

Bulgarians and Romanians in self-employed jobs and those employed in certain sectors such as agriculture and food manufacturing have been able to live and work in the UK for the past six years.

Transitional arrangements in other EU countries will also come to an end on 1 January.

UK Independence Party leader Nigel Farage urged Mr Cameron to bring up the issue at this week's Brussels summit of EU leaders, calling it the "last chance for the prime minister to act on Bulgarian and Romanian immigration into the UK".

He added: "He must tell fellow EU leaders that the UK will not unconditionally open its border to Bulgaria and Romania on 1 January."

A YouGov survey for the Sun newspaper on Wednesday suggested that 42% of people thought it was of "utmost importance" for the prime minister to limit immigration from EU countries.

Some 43% of the more than 2,600 people polled said they would vote to leave the EU if a referendum was held now - 37% said no.

But more than half said they would vote against leaving the EU if Mr Cameron secured a major renegotiation of the UK's relationship with Brussels.

 

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  • rate this
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    Comment number 634.

    Another step towards the UK Third Reich. Have you read your history.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 633.

    10. the6ftmoose
    4 HOURS AGO
    Why should immigrants get ANY benefits if they haven't paid any UK tax?

    Totally agree and by the same token young people shouldn't receive any benefits or unpaid health treatment if they haven't worked since leaving school. After all for every taxpayer the treasury, over the years, has put by some tax in their own personalised fund to pay for their benefits/pensions.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 632.

    It's all very well going on about an economic benefit from immigration but an economic model that relies on a continually growing population is so clearly flawed that anyone who supports it is very dangerously short-termist.

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    Comment number 631.

    The politicians in hand with media enjoy themselves giving the crowds 'panem and circensus' (bread and circus).There is no political will or desire in implementing ID cards for people currently living in the UK! It could help control not only immigration, but help to identify: welfare abusers, criminals, tax avoiders and control the access to NHS and jobs. NHS and NI cards would be redundant.

  • rate this
    +2

    Comment number 630.

    When crime increases & doorways in towns are filled with beggars holding drugged babies to tug at our heartstrings, how will our government handle it?
    With kid gloves of course rather than acknowledging that they have chosen to import a huge social problem from mainland Europe.
    Aren't there enough social issues in this country already that are not being dealt with?

  • rate this
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    Comment number 629.

    How on earth is 144 an editors pick. The poster is a troll, he trolls HYS threads looking for the attention his sad life lacks.

    The BBC should be banning these idiots not giving them the attention they crave.

  • rate this
    +1

    Comment number 628.

    Davey Trasker @ 612:

    I was responding to Mega Awesume Pooster @ 144.
    Note the quotation marks.

    Please read my post @ 600 again.

  • rate this
    +1

    Comment number 627.

    It would be great if we had an influx of professionaly qualified migrants ready to fill the skills gaps but sadly we all know that there are plenty of other countries with better opportunities than the UK. Cuts in public expenditure plus a projected flood of non contributors means we need to start treating immigration seriously before our infrastructure is completely overwhelmed.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 626.

    @602 It isn't some kind of myth that some immigrants abuse the benefit system - why is xenophobic to point this out? Why should they do it when benefits are for those who live here, and have contributed?

    Furthermore, hilarious to see people saying how we must stop immigration, immigration is bad, overcrowding etc - but then slate UKIP. You can't complain about the problem then mock the answer!!!!

  • rate this
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    Comment number 625.

    Could someone from the UK border agency answer this simple question , if the restrictions on Rumanians and Bulgarians are not lifted until 1st January why do we already have thousands living and working in this country ? mostly may I say in low skilled and menial jobs . What happened to the points system which we were all told would stop low skilled workers coming answers please UKBA !!!

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    Comment number 624.

    599.LondonDave
    Just now
    Given this discussion is about EU migration and rules for EU citizens, why would you discuss non EU immigration?Unless of course you count them all as foreigners who shouldn't be here?
    603.Oxygen_Thief
    I think the estimate was 8,000 in a year,no power stations required, probably in the south east,does it matter who employs them?
    still waiting for a cogent question.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 623.

    583.salty

    £16 billion is a drop in the ocean when it comes to paying for the NHS, schools, road maintenance etc.

    Bearing in mind it costs approx £3000 per second to run just the NHS they aren't paying enough to cover the additional services provided. Then add in schools, fire and police services and council services and you have a small country with social problems and UKIP.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 622.

    Nothing is ever solved until you get to the Libya to Syria situation. Then the unwelcome elements run away to someone else's country, or home.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 621.

    Isn't the bigger issue still being ignored?

    Why do so many want to flock here in the first place?

    Its not for the weather, or abundance of jobs. They choose to bypass many other western countries because of our over generous welfare system.

    Tackle the cause. The welfare state should be a fall back for tax payers, not a way of life. It is feeding the national debt and population increase.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 620.

    By all means if you are qualified and we require services that you are able to provide then by all means I'd welcome you with open arms! But if you have no skills and want to lounge on our benefits then leave - you are not needed or wanted!
    I do know there are those who want to wave the flag of "come and share our already dwindling resources" but its wrong and should not be accepted!

  • rate this
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    Comment number 619.

    Argument that if all immigrants have to go all expats have to return
    Would result in a drop in the UK's population
    13% uk pop, not born here. = 8.2m 600k of them claiming welfare
    Ex pats abroad 4.5m 900k pensioners
    Yet an increase in our skills base.
    Most expats were/are professionals
    Don't want to stop immigration, just the ease in which it is accomplished
    We do need controlled immigration

  • rate this
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    Comment number 618.

    All this measure will do is to ensure that business will get the cheap labour that they and their pals in Govt crave.
    It won't stop the immigration, it will just mean the jobs remain extremely low paid and as such not an option for the Average British family.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 617.

    If someone contributes by paying NI then they should have the same rights as anyone else paying NI.

    On the other hand perhaps unfunded benefits paid to foreign EU nationals should be paid direct via the EU who would then bill the appropriate country of origin.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 616.

    If you are uneducated in Bulgaria or Romania, you will be lucky to earn $100 a month. Also, you will not have had access to any medical care. So, move to Britain, with your wife and extended family, and you will get child benefit, DLA, housing benefit and, in 3 months, job seeker allowance. All your medical problems will also be addressed. Standby for 100's of 1000s and full A&Es!!!

  • rate this
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    Comment number 615.

    Plans are afoot after by Mr C.
    A.Build a massive wall round britian
    B.Bung up channnel tunnel.
    C.Shut all airports except for those in power.
    D Internet to go,we shall have our own Anglonet
    E Workers co-ops to be set up in the North growing cabbages etc
    F Holiday parks to be set up nr every major town
    G passports to be disbanded
    sounds jolly fun dont you think????????????

 

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    Nicky Morgan dismisses claims that her predecessor Michael Gove is "back seat driving" the education department as a "complete load of nonsense."

    Michael Gove has been "nothing but supportive", and while he may have seen some departmental briefings in his role as Chief Whip Ms Morgan affirms "I am in charge of the Department of Education".

     
  50.  
    The Andrew Marr Show

    tweets: Morgan - It is an 'outrage' if students leave school with qualifications that do not help them to enter the world of work #marr #marrshow

     
  51.  
    09:47: Morgan on Marr

    Asked by Andrew Marr whether schools funding for ages five - 16 will be "ring fenced" under a Conservative government Nicky Morgan nods. She tells Marr that she is "fighting" for the funding.

     
  52.  
    09:43: Nicky Morgan on Marr
    Nicky Morgan on The Andrew Marr Show

    Education Secretary Nicky Morgan is on the Andrew Marr Show, defending her "war on illiteracy and innumeracy" which includes new plans to get all children to know their 12 times table when they leave primary school.

    "Getting... the absolute basics right has to be at the core of our education system," she says.

     
  53.  
    09:38: Alexander on Marr

    Douglas Alexander refuses to be drawn on whether he will make a deal with SNP and Sinn Fein to from a majority government after the general elections. But he accuses the Conservatives of trying to "split the vote on the left" after they tweeted a mocked-up picture of Ed Miliband alongside SNP politician Alex Salmond and Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams, with the caption: "Your worst nightmare just got even worse."

    Labour has vowed not to feature Prime Minister David Cameron on its campaign billboards ahead of the general election.

     
  54.  
    The Andrew Marr Show

    tweets: Alexander - Voting for the SNP in the general election will result in a Conservative government

     
  55.  
    09:34: Alexander on Marr

    Douglas Alexander is pressed on the challenge facing Labour in Scotland, where Andrew Marr suggests his own seat is under pressure. "The polls are tough", Mr Alexander says, adding that he realises there is an appetite for change north of the border. But he says "I share that appetite for change" and adds: "The way we can secure that change is to deliver the maximum number of Labour MPs..."

     
  56.  
    09:28: Alexander on Marr
    Douglas Alexander on The Andrew Marr Show

    Labour election strategist Douglas Alexander tells the Andrew Marr Show: "We face a challenge to secure a recovery that reaches beyond the city of London and reaches kitchen tables right around the country."

     
  57.  
    Robin Brant Political Correspondent, BBC News

    tweets: first question to @NickyMorgan01 on @MarrShow is surely 'whats 12 x 12?'

    Robin is of course referencing the education secretary's "war on illiteracy and innumeracy" which state that all children in England will need to know up to their 12 times table when they leave primary school.

     
  58.  
    Guardian political editor Patrick Wintour

    tweets: Some pointed advice from Andrew Rawnsley for Tony Blair - time to say whose side you are on.

     
  59.  
    09:13: Papers on Marr
    Sun on Sunday editor Victoria Newton and impressionist Rory Bremner are doing the paper review to get The Andrew Marr Show under way

    Reviewing the newspapers on the Andrew Marr Show, impressionist Rory Bremner picks out the Observer's story on what it says is an acute shortage of beds for young mental health patients. This will be a "critical area" for the next government to get involved in, the comedian says. His fellow paper reviewer is Sun on Sunday editor Victoria Newton.

     
  60.  
    Labour press team

    tweets: Labour's Shadow Foreign Secretary @DAlexanderMP will be speaking to the @MarrShow this morning on @BBCTwo at 9am

     
  61.  
    08:50: 'Back seat driving' The Independent
    The Independent on Sunday

    The Independent on Sunday claims former Education Secretary Michael Gove is still "back-seat driving" his old department and maintains a "shadowy influence" behind the back of his "more teacher-friendly" successor Mrs Morgan.

    The paper says the chief whip still receives paperwork related to Department for Education issues.

     
  62.  
    08:44: New beds crisis
    The Observer

    The Observer leads on what it says is an acute shortage of beds for young mental health patients in the NHS.

    According to guidelines from NHS England, leaked to the Observer, 16 and 17-year olds, who should be admitted to specialist child adolescent mental health facilities (Camhs), are likely instead to be admitted to adult wards.

     
  63.  
    08:41: 'War on illiteracy' Sunday Times
    Sunday Times

    The Sunday Times's top story (paywall) is Education Secretary Nicky Morgan's "war on illiteracy and innumeracy". The paper says she plans to remove head teachers from schools where 11-year-old pupils cannot pass tests on basic English and times tables.

     
  64.  
    08:37: Miliband attacked The Daily Telegraph
    Telegraph

    Ed Miliband has faced criticism from a leading business chief who said a Labour government would be a "catastrophe" for the UK.

    Stefano Pessina, acting chief executive of Boots, said in an interview with today's Sunday Telegraph that Mr Miliband's plans were "not helpful for business, not helpful for the country and in the end, it probably won't be helpful for them".

    He did not elaborate on which specific policies of the party he disliked but told the newspaper: "If they acted as they speak, it would be a catastrophe."

     
  65.  
    08:33: Sunday papers
    Papers

    It is a very mixed - and highly politicised - Sunday for headlines in the nationals. You can read the full write up from our online paper reviewers. But we'll also break it down into bite-sized chunks for you in the next few entries.

     
  66.  
    08:28: Coming up

    A few must watch items for your Sunday morning:

    The Andrew Marr Show is at 09:00 when Education Secretary Nicky Morgan and Shadow Foreign Secretary Douglas Alexander will be on the sofa. You can watch via the Live Coverage tab at the top of this page.

    Sunday Politics, tennis permitting, at 11:00 will hear from Culture Secretary Sajid Javid and Labour MP Tom Watson. Again, watch live on this page.

    Other options for your Sunday morning political fix include Pienaar's Politics from 10:00 to 11:00 on BBC radio 5Live and we'll also bring you updates from the Murnaghan programme, over on Sky News from 10:00-12:00.

    And of course you may want to keep one eye on events in Melbourne too, where Andy Murray is taking on Novak Djokovic in the Australian Open tennis final. The BBC has live coverage here.

     
  67.  
    08:20: Good morning

    Hello and welcome to Politics Live. Over the course of the next 10 hours we'll be bringing you all the news, views and analysis as it happens from the BBC's political team in text and video - including all the key moments from the Andrew Marr Show, Sunday Politics, the World This Weekend and reaction to the big Sunday newspaper stories. You can see how Friday, which was a Churchill remembered special, unfolded by clicking here.

     

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