Does China heed Britain's wooing?

 

An indispensible partnership. That is how David Cameron and his Chinese hosts have agreed to dub their new relationship - forged at what the prime minister today called "warm and successful" meetings in the Great Hall of the People.

Speaking to a lunch of 500 UK and China-based business leaders, he risked speaking a few words in Mandarin designed to sum up the foundations of that partnership - translated the key phrase was "in both sides' interests"

This morning Mr Cameron began a day in Shanghai in a London black cab - the firm that makes them is now owned by the Chinese. He wants not just to secure more investment in Britain but to sell British products here, from building hospitals to sports cars to - unlikely as it may sound -exporting pig semen, worth an eye watering £45 million a year.

Are the Chinese noticing all this wooing? Business leaders insist they are, but one nationalist newspaper said today that their visitor should acknowledge that the UK is not a big power in the eyes of the Chinese. The editorial in Global Times concluded: "It's just an old European country, apt for travel and study."

The prime minister is out to prove them wrong.

 
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  • rate this
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    Comment number 221.

    Oaktree: The Chinese were around long before America was ´a glint in your fathers eye´

    They couldn't copycat America then because we weren't alive yet

    O: The ´American Dream´appears to have began as an advertising campaign

    Today the American Dream is to illegally immigrate to America, treat Americans badly and be anti-American

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    Comment number 220.

    #216 Lucy

    "To a great extent, the American dream has been exported to China and has become the Chinese dream"

    The Chinese were around long before America was ´a glint in your fathers eye´

    Being wealthy in China is highly honorable and a virtue by itself.

    The ´American Dream´appears to have began as an advertising campaign by the ´housing industry´in the 1930´s.

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    Comment number 219.

    In October 2013, Britain's Chancellor of the Exchequer, George Osborne, described the Chinese Dream as a political reform that includes "rebalancing from investment to consumption"

    China is investing all over the world
    and when they are ready they will consume

    The only good thing about China is that they don't allow gay marriage

  • rate this
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    Comment number 218.

    Oaktree:Cameron´s ´big talk ´is for home consumption

    Biden is telling young Chinese to test their leaders and religion
    which is all words for home consumption also

    If Chinese try to question their leaders or promote democracy
    they and their families are usually thrown in jail or worse

    Biden wants to make it look like USA is promoting democracy instead of funding dictatorship in China

  • rate this
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    Comment number 217.

    184 speed




    British invade Tibet 1904

    Massacre of Chumik Shenko


    The Tibetans were mown down by the Maxim guns as they fled "I got so sick of the slaughter that I ceased fire, though the general’s order was to make as big a bag as possible" wrote Lieutenant Arthur Hadow, commander of the Maxim guns detachment "I hope I shall never again have to shoot down men walking away"

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    Comment number 216.

    Oaktree and Marg,

    EU not the only one with rising ambitions

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Dream

    This new [Chinese] middle class." Wang wrote, "which barely existed a decade ago, will reach the size of more than two Americas in a decade or two

    Sujian Guo and Baogang Guo argue, "To a great extent, the American dream has been exported to China and has become the Chinese dream"

  • rate this
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    Comment number 215.

    Oaktree: were sending their children

    I know there are people in my church from Taiwan who came to USA they said to escape Chinese rule

    Just as China doesn't allow freedom of speech,
    I don't think China allows freedom of religion either

    Marg: US/Russia power struggle

    Perhaps that is why China is increasing its nuclear weapons
    at a time when both USA and Russia are decreasing ours

  • rate this
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    Comment number 214.

    197 Lucy

    "UK ruling HK for 100 years
    why didn't they set Hong Kong free?"

    UK had a 99-year lease. You have to return it when it runs out. Not a question of setting anyone free

    208

    "If anything, we must prepare for a potential war with China"

    You should stick to attacking small countries

    Both being nuclear powers kept the US/Russia power struggle cold

  • rate this
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    Comment number 213.

    #209 Lucy

    "UK went to China.. hand outstretched+
    China slapped.. hand"

    Cameron´s ´big talk ´is for home consumption --the UK has so many EU ´enemies´ and he conveniently forgets the EU trade deals under discussion.

    China is on a ´buying spree´ --the main question in China will be -- what has he for sale ?

    --beggars are not choosers --thanks to NSA, CGHQ -- and ´successful´banks

  • rate this
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    Comment number 212.

    # 208 Lucy

    That was the agreement.

    Already in the 60´s, the rich in Hong Hong were sending their children all over the world to study -- in the hope the could get another (extra ?) nationality before the return to China took place.

    --that way, they themselves were hoping to ´escape´ to a western country.

    (personal experience)

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    Comment number 211.

    turk: I wonder how the USA feels about the UK's communications infrastructure being supplied by Huawei

    Just a start of things to come

    As China gets more and more integrated into the Western world
    including mass levels of immigration and investment
    they will use their leverage and espionage more and more
    until they eventually dominate and take over
    until there is no more freedom left

  • rate this
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    Comment number 210.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25210890

    I wonder how the USA feels about the UK's communications infrastructure being supplied by Huawei

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    Comment number 209.

    Oaktree: same argument

    Camereon wants to use trade for British to vote to stay in EU
    -not just European trade
    but trade with China, South America, USA, etc as well

    He miscalculated EU's response to UK promoting EU China trade deal

    Although Camereon is touting his China visit
    overall it was a flop

    UK went to China with their hand outstretched+
    China slapped UK's hand

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    Comment number 208.

    Oaktree: Your question is confusing

    It just seems like after being ruled for so long, Hong Kong should have been granted the right to be an independent nation

    Martin: it doesnt mean you can write them off

    I don't write anybody off

    If anything, we must prepare for a potential war with China

    Oaktree: fooling anybody?

    Camereon, like Obama, has fooled himself

  • rate this
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    Comment number 207.

    One things I noted on the PM recent visit to China 'To drum business for Britain'
    1. He arrived on a Boeing 747, why not an Airbus? Thousands of people work for Airbus in The UK and it is a European success.

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    Comment number 206.

    Previous Topic

    "But it means making your way in the world and it means recognising that we can't just rely on European markets."

    According to #205 reference

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/cameron-buoyed-by-brazil-trade-trip-28868530.html

    --what then ?

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    Comment number 205.

    "but one nationalist newspaper said today that their visitor should acknowledge that the UK is not a big power in the eyes of the Chinese."

    Cameron

    " I argue for Britain's membership because I want to be able to say to countries like Brazil 'Come to Britain and you can sell to the 320 million consumers across Europe'."

    --same argument --from same hopeless position.

    --fooling anybody ?

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    Comment number 204.

    Lucy,

    Just because another country is behind us socially, it doesnt mean you can write them off. We use to be at that stage, ask black Americans about oppression, it wasnt that long ago.

    Countries adjust socially step by step. Child labour = USA and UK in the 20's. Poor quality products linked with US, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan.

    In 1980 80% of world Ivory trade was Japan, Europe and US.

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    Comment number 203.

    #200 and #202

    Mods.

    ´IF you can keep your head when all about you
    Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
    If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
    But make allowance for their doubting too;
    If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
    Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
    Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
    And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:´

    (Kipling)

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    Comment number 202.

    @200.Darren Shepperd
    (most definitly deleted by now)
    "Mods if you don't like it say so not silence just like your so called hated totalitarian dictatorships doo"
    ===
    What have you got against the Mods ?
    Are you a Rocker ?
    Want to meet up in Brighton sometime ?
    ;^)
    But seriously, they've divided us, they're winning.

    It's like a jungle outside,
    It makes me wonder
    How I keep from going under.
    ;^)

 

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