UKIP - Send in the 'clowns'

 

This is the day when those dubbed "clowns, loonies, fruitcakes and closet racists" may find it hard to resist the temptation to laugh in the face of their detractors in the established political parties.

It is the day UKIP emerged as a real political force in the land.

The leaders of all other political parties will now be considering how to respond, what to say and what to do in the face of the party's rise.

UKIP has evolved over the two decades since it was created from an anti-EU pressure group into a fully fledged party which has now proved that it can succeed beyond European elections.

This is a more profound change than you might think. Before today a party created because of one issue and dominated by one man could, in theory, have simply wound up after a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU.

Many of its early backers might have concluded at that point - "job done".

Now, however, there will be UKIP councillors all over the country (there may even be some with a slice of power once all the results are in) who will insist they exist for other purposes. UKIP is not going the way of the Referendum Party.

For now their impact will be on other parties.

Tories on the right will claim that if only David Cameron had listened to them none of this would have happened. They will demand political red meat to woo back their former supporters.

To some extent it's already been offered - David Cameron has talked of a parliamentary vote on an EU referendum, he's announced a crackdown on immigration and a tougher prison regime has been heralded. So, what now?

Blairites will reheat their warnings that Ed Miliband has not extended Labour's support enough.

Some in his party will angst about their appeal in the South, some about their failure to convince their traditional white working class voters. He will respond, I suspect, with an attempt to forge a much clearer economic alternative.

The Lib Dems will be relieved that the spotlight is on someone else's problems whilst having to live with the fact that their party's problems are very far from over.

Nigel Farage has already proved that he is one of those politicians like Ken and Boris and Alex Salmond who can make his country smile. Now the clowns are bringing tears to their opponents' eyes. He's sure to see the joke in that.

PS: Having said all of this this let's not forget that UKIP did not win the elections. They look set to end the night with tens of councillors not many hundreds, unlike their opponents. It is extremely unlikely to run any council alone.

They have no MPs and, under our first-past-the-post system, it would be a major achievement to elect just one. Labour still won last night's by-election and the Conservatives look set to have the most councillors and run the most councils.

UKIP are putting down political roots. They are not about to challenge for power.

 
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    Comment number 894.

    837

    Oh, I dont know Saga, you can't tell me the left dont look back on the 1950s with a great deal of affection either... creation of the welfare state, the NHS, the fact that because rationing went on til 1956 that society was the most equal that it had been in centuries?

    Or, is it more to the point that you're picking the bits of the 1950s that you want to and dismissing the rest? Mmm? Really?

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    Comment number 893.

    "a measly 6% of seats"
    OK as a protest, a bucket of cold water
    To sober 'the usual suspects'

    Ironic that Cameron unfairly sank AV

    Even with only small movement from FPTP, expression of second AV preferences would at least have better conveyed 'general public feeling', presumably to the advantage of 'sensible offerings'!

    AV would have encouraged 'more sensible offerings'

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    Comment number 892.

    a political party that actually says what it thinks and does not care what the rest of europe thinks about it,its a breath of fresh air.they are about to change the face of british politics and not before time. dave,ed and nick you want to win give the people what they want not what you or your parties want for your rich mates.hope nigel does not sell his soul as nick did

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    Comment number 891.

    889

    What, like you, you mean? Hahaha! Just how big and well funded do you think UKIP is??

    885

    Indeed. Whats stopping them, do you think? What are they scared of?

    869

    Forgive my interjection, but isnt the issue not of laws being created specifically for the UK in Brussels, but more of EU law having primacy over national legislation?

    865

    Forward looking? Are you quite sure about that??

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    Comment number 890.

    insert_nam@869
    "still treason"
    Even if voted by Parliament?

    'Treason' is unfair, unless in betrayal of unamended & clearly fundamental part of previously agreed constitution

    Entry into treaty & debit obligations is not necessarily 'treason', even if the costs of honouring or of default are both considerable

    'Constructive treason' exists 'in contempt of democracy' (of, for, by, the EQUAL people)

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    Comment number 889.

    Another HYS flooded by UKIP party apparatchiks

    Anyone who criticises them gets a minus 50 rating within minutes

    UKIP are on 11% in the polls according to YouGov (the recent elections were in the right-wing south) so don't tell me all these people are proper UKIP supporters. A few might be

    HYS is for ordinary people to post their views, not for party trolls to spread their propaganda!!

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    Comment number 888.

    872 Stuart

    Sorry to disillusion you there is no Magic- it's all smoke and mirrors.

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    Comment number 887.

    'none change British culture like immigration does' @ 876

    **

    'British Culture' isn't, never has been, a static thing. It evolves over time, such evolution requiring inputs from outside and elsewhere. This is refreshing and healthy. More than that, it's essential. Without a decent level of incomers and outgoers we'd just atrophy, become insular and increasingly backward. It's a grim prospect.

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    Comment number 886.

    880.insert_name_here

    "...The Declaration/Bill of Rights..."

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    Was only in an obiter (non-binding) comment by Justice Laws in 2002 described as perhaps having a higher constitutional significance than any other legislation.

    As far as I know, there has been no further judicial reference to its standing.

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    Comment number 885.

    I wish the government would show some metal and call UKIP's bluff and hold a referendum on Europe. Clearly, those who want to leave Europe, e.g. UKIP, they form just 25% of the electorate. Even if another 20% join them, they still wouldn't have a majority.

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    Comment number 884.

    882.riff77

    You're right, we'll never reconcile our views, but I respect your candour & courtesy.
    What you don't seem to acknowledge is that I believe I have proof but unfortunately the evidence includes proof that the judiciary would never allow the opportunity for the evidence to be constitutionally tested.

    879.ITC
    Those posting more frequently than 10 mins are obvious trolls.

    N'night!

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    Comment number 883.

    I think the UK should get a vote on EU. And London a vote to leave the UK.

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    Comment number 882.

    @880 insert_name_here

    Our views will never be reconciled and I do not expect you to share my political or economic beliefs. However, your analogy is not helpful, The conclusion of a police investigation is a trial, at which evidence is tested to check its truth. We do not start with guilt and work backwards to produce evidence.

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    Comment number 881.

    So, its 2016. Scotland have dumped the rest of Britain. The Conservatives fail to get elected again and with UKIP they form a coalition government. UKIP force Britain to leave the EU, i.e. Britain is left to fend for itself.

    So, what happens next? Any UKIP supporters who will kindly layout the predictions and solutions for managing the remaining British economy, please state them here . . .

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    Comment number 880.

    877.riff77

    You obviously have your own opinion & I respect that, but I don't accept mine is "sophistry", nor do I accept your statement "backwards from the conclusion to evidence is not proof". How is any police investigation carried out. Is not a crime discovered/suspected (conclusion) & evidence then sought?

    878.Ivan The Cerebral
    That is written down. The Declaration/Bill of Rights.

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    Comment number 879.

    876.CommonSense

    "...Sorry but this is too easy to answer..."

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    It is for anyone with a single-issue fixation, of course.

    Why is the fact that your kids might overhear others speaking a foreign tongue more worrying to you than that their milk might contain dangerous levels of strontium 90, for instance?

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    Comment number 878.

    869.insert_name_here

    "...To pass power to create law in this nation to foreign powers is expressly forbidden under the fundaments of the British constitution..."

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    First, how can anything not written down be "express"?

    Second, most people now, especially the younger, do not see other European countries as "foreign", let alone a collective of them, which includes us.

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    Comment number 877.

    @875.insert_name_here
    If some barristers agree that your interpretation of the common law is correct, then you must at least have a silk's legal opinion. If you have then please show me where I can read it. IMO your view of the common law is sophistry, nothing more, backwards from the conclusion to evidence is not proof

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    Comment number 876.

    @ Ivan The Cerebral

    "Nor, in reality, in the building of motorways near quiet villages, nuclear installations discharging radioactivity, whether we go to war, interest rates, school syllabuses"

    Sorry but this is too easy to answer. All those thing's you mentioned are taken as a given for any government to do but none change British culture n cause over stretched services like immigration does.

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    Comment number 875.

    871.riff77

    Part of the problem is the justice system, which has also lost sight of its constitutional role & responsibilities, IMO.
    400 characters limits me but plenty of examples of unconstitutional behaviour, 'star chambers', failures to investigate/prosecute (eg Blair, bankers).
    As to disagreement from barristers, it's not all, in fact.
    Do turkeys want Christmas?

 

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