Gloves to come off in secret courts battle

Former Guantanamo Bay detainee Binyam Mohamed Settling cases with former Guantanamo detainees such as Binyam Mohamed cost an estimated £20m

It is sometimes said that members of the House of Lords only get really hot under the collar about sex, hunting and parliamentary reform.

But today along their red leather benches peers are debating something that deeply concerns them and goes to the heart of politics: the battle between liberty and security. How does the state keep its citizens safe while also keeping them free?

It is a confrontation, long brewing, over the Justice and Security Bill that will allow more civil courts to examine secret intelligence in private.

The aim is to make it easier for sensitive evidence to be used in trials without intelligence sources being exposed or information from foreign agencies being compromised.

At the moment the government is forced to abandon cases and pay out substantial compensation claims - often to terror suspects who claim they have been mistreated - rather than put intelligence sources and practices at risk.

And that costs a lot of money. One Whitehall source told me that the cases settled with former Guantanamo Bay detainees cost the government something in the region of £20m.

So the government wants judges and security-cleared lawyers to hear the evidence in what are called "closed material proceedings" so that more cases can be heard and taxpayers' money can be saved.

Open justice

Some courts already hold secret sessions like this such as the Special Immigration Appeals Commission that recently freed the terrorist suspect Abu Qatada.

But many critics and peers believe the change would compromise the common law principle of open justice.

Defendants and their lawyers would be prevented from hearing evidence against them. That evidence would not be tested by all sides in open court. Some peers fear the change would allow the government to cover up allegations of mistreatment by intelligence officials - such as was claimed by the former Guantanamo Bay detainee Binyam Mohamed.

Others believe the government is doing this to please the US authorities who are concerned that their intelligence could be disclosed in British courts.

This view is shared by the Labour Party, many crossbench peers, many newspapers - including the Daily Mail - and a goodly number of Liberal Democrats who feel so strongly they are prepared to defy their government. Many Lib Dems feel emboldened to rebel after their party conference voted firmly to oppose more secret courts.

So to that end, a cross-party group of peers have tabled a series of amendments that broadly put into effect the recommendations of the Joint Committee on Human Rights.

These include changes that would ensure that:

1. It would be a judge and not a minister that decides whether to order a close material proceeding. Although the bill currently says a judge has to agree with a minister's decision to order a secret session, critics claim that the judge would in reality have little discretion and would be obliged to back the decision in most cases. Government supporters say this would mean secret courts would hardly ever be used.

2. Secret sessions would be used only as a last resort, when "a fair determination of the proceedings is not possible by other means".

3. Secret sessions would be used only when relating to a very narrow definition of intelligence evidence. That would involve information that "would reveal the identity of UK intelligence officers or their sources or their capability (including the techniques and methodology that they use", or foreign intelligence material provided confidentially by another country").

Braced for defeat

The government has now been defeated on all these points and these defeats will not be without consequences.

1. In the days ahead, I would expect the government to go on the offensive. The Justice Bill has still to reach the Commons. Thus far it has been a gentlemanly, Lords-like debate - largely among lawyers and retired spooks - about the nuanced battle between national security and civil liberty. The Cabinet Office minister Ken Clarke - who is responsible for this bill - has deliberately avoided stoking the fire. But I am told that this will stop. Soon the gloves will come off. Labour will shortly face accusations of acting to threaten public safety; of supporting a system that pays terror suspects millions of taxpayers' money; of putting the lives of intelligence agents at risk.

2. Further evidence will emerge of Labour splits over the issue. The opposition is torn between a desire to defeat the government at all opportunity and a desire to appear like a responsible government-in-waiting. There are those within Labour who think defeating the government on civil liberties' issues is a good recruiting sergeant for disillusioned Lib Dem voters.

But I am told that the Labour leader Ed Miliband has given private assurances that while Labour will try to amend the bill to create greater safeguards, it will not vote to scrap closed material proceedings entirely. Note, for example, the letter in today's Times newspaper supporting the government's position, signed by Lord Reid, the former Labour home secretary, and Lord West, the former Labour security minister.

3. Nick Clegg will act to heal the splits within the Liberal Democrats. He wants them to be seen as a responsible party of government, one that takes national security seriously. Let us not forget he is the chairman of the Home Affairs Cabinet sub-committee that signed off this Justice Bill. But after going to the wire to support secret courts, I suspect the Lib Dem leader will want to use another issue to re-establish his liberal credentials.

My best guess is that he will alight on the government's draft Communications Data Bill. This plan to allow the security services and police to get greater access to communications traffic - but not content - has already been attacked as a snoopers' charter. The joint committee examining the bill is expected to report in the next few weeks and is likely to be critical. I would anticipate a strong speech from Nick Clegg shortly after supporting that concern. The irony is that many Lib Dem peers are far less concerned about the Communications Data bill than they are about the Justice and Security Bill.

So today's assault on the Justice and Security Bill is not just a headache for the government. It is also food for thought for Labour and the Lib Dems.

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    Comment number 16.

    Those peers that have the VOTE for this "MUST PAY" the FINE that will be imposed for their actions from their "OWN POCKET" NOT the TAX PAYERS!

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    Comment number 15.

    @ 1. BJK
    That's right the BBC has done it again! keeping reports and story's with comment's well away from the front page.

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    Comment number 14.

    This is nothing to do with this incompetent govt trying to save money, but all about eradicating democracy bit by bit and not being held to account. If they did things properly in the first place they would have nothing to fear.This is all about this extreme right wing govt taking total control on all facets of Society. If they had it their way they would take control of the Judiciary.

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    Comment number 13.

    4.Amna "Can anyone give strong arguments in favor of this bill ? "

    Mail and Daily Express readers will love it and ............err, that's it really!

    Good luck in your debate!

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    Comment number 12.

    Trials held in secret are completely unacceptable - even with a trustworthy government.

    It is a trivial matter to protect the identity of a member of the security services if necessary, even to be reticent about the precise methods used to obtain the evidence presented, and still hold an open trial when evidence can be defended against and a fair conviction (or aquittal) reached.

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    Comment number 11.

    That Govt could even consider these moves speaks volumes for what they are trying to hide......

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    Comment number 10.

    Brought to you by the most secretative nation in the WORLD, the DPRK, no silly Great Britain......why do you think we have all those grey folk still running the country...heck this email is being read as I type...whoops better stop...GB is a great place to be.....

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    Comment number 9.

    The argument for these courts from the government seems to revolve around their inability to defend themselves against civil claims of misconduct (torture) and the cost of settling.

    Surely our democracy and legal system are more important than a few tens of million pounds and the bitter pill of not proving in court the intelligence services acted properly?

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    Comment number 8.

    You will never see a middle class revolution
    A Red Clydesiders equivalent of middle class people?

    Their psychology is obedience and ambition and whatever the system tells them to do... they will blindly obey... as long as they receive social status and cash in return

    So currently, if we take the BBC the buzzwords are gay marriage and smoking and womens equality

    The NHS and poverty are ignored..

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    Comment number 7.

    21st November 2012 - 19:49
    Can anyone give strong arguments in favor of this bill ? I have to hold a debate in my LLB class presenting arguments in *** favor ***.

    Are you an American?

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    Comment number 6.

    Tsk Freedom

    One of the BIG problems with the middle classes is that if you give them the social status and the cash they will go after ANYBODY the system orders them to

    Jews, Moslems whoever

    The middle classes were used by Adolf because they were so compliant

    Adolf was a psychological genius

    The working classes however, were always a pain and had to be controlled through a giant police state

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    Comment number 5.

    It could be too easy for prosecutors to claim it was a matter of national security to prevent evidence against some one from been able to defend them selves against the prosecution If a government minister told the judge it was so

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    Comment number 4.

    Can anyone give strong arguments in favor of this bill ? I have to hold a debate in my LLB class presenting arguments in favor.

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    Comment number 3.

    Another loony idea from this dreadful government

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    Comment number 2.

    No in a democracy open courts and information is a corner stone of it,otherwise all other courts can not work for lack of information,miss justice is the end result,
    but potential to be the end of democracy & natural justice in which criminality prospers

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    Comment number 1.

    Judging by the remarkable lack of comments here I can only conclude that they are being written and read in some secret place elsewhere for reasons of national security and to protect the identity of commentators!



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