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Chancellor George Osborne says the "real test" of the government's authority will come when any proposed EU budget deal is put before MPs.

He spoke to the BBC after Labour backed Tory rebels to defeat the government and call for a real-terms cut in EU spending between 2014 and 2020.

Mr Osborne said the government would only put to MPs any proposed deal which it thought was good for UK taxpayers.

Labour described Wednesday's defeat as a humiliation for David Cameron.

Analysis

There's always a row in Europe over how much money should be spent and how it should be divided up.

Remember that the EU is a club of 27 countries - all with different priorities. There are several who - like Britain - believe that since national governments are making cuts now, so too should the EU.

Then there are those (many in eastern Europe) who want a larger EU budget that would focus on investment and help create growth. For those outraged by the idea that the EU should get more money - the Commission here in Brussels points out that Britain and others together took decisions that expanded the size of the EU and increased its powers.

That costs more money. They also say that the EU is cheap. EU spending as a proportion of the size of its economy is a fraction of that of UK government expenditure.

Others point out the benefits of membership of the club - most notably the single market which generates far more in terms of income for Britain each year than the treasury pays to Brussels.

Such arguments don't sit well with many Eurosceptics, who believe the EU is a bureaucratic institution that bleeds money.

It's a row not just in the UK, but across the continent - with a summit towards the end of the month at which all 27 have to agree. If they don't, the negotiations will be scuppered and Europe plunged into another crisis.

But Mr Miliband has been accused of hypocrisy and opportunism by coalition leaders.

Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg said Labour was well aware there was "absolutely no prospect" of achieving a real-terms cut.

"Their change of heart is dishonest, it's hypocritical. And worst of all, Labour's plan would cost the taxpayer more, not less," said the Lib Dem leader.

But Labour insists it has been pushing for a real terms cut in the EU budget since July, with shadow chancellor Ed Balls saying there had been cross-party support for the idea of reducing EU expenditure at a time of austerity at home.

"It is not about party politics, it is about the national interest. Parliament has spoken and David Cameron has got to listen and deliver," he said.

Wednesday's Commons defeat, by 307 votes to 294, is the most significant for the coalition since it came to power in 2010.

And although it is not binding on Mr Cameron, it has sparked comparisons with Sir John Major's Conservative government which was torn apart by splits on Europe in the 1990s.

The chancellor said the government would listen to "all Conservative and coalition MPs" following the vote and refused to rule out a possible a cut in the EU's budget, saying it was the "beginning of a negotiation".

He emphasised too that the real decision for MPs would come - in around a year's time - when it came to ratifying any deal the government reaches in Brussels.

"If it comes to a vote, the House of Commons will face a choice - a deal or no deal," he said - adding that the alternative to ratifying a multi-year deal would be a series of annual negotiations.

Downing Street has sought to play down the rebellion as "not altogether surprising".

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The prime minister's official spokesman said all 27 countries involved in the budget negotiations had "very different requirements" and that each have a veto.

"We are talking to other countries and trying to persuade them of our view.

"From the meeting of ambassadors in Brussels yesterday (Wednesday), it's clear from that there are lots of different positions around the table.

What is the UK's net contribution to the EU?

  • The UK is one of 12 EU members which makes a net contribution to the EU budget - meaning it pays in more than it gets back in EU funding.
  • But there are different figures for what the UK's net contribution is depending on how it is calculated.
  • The EU financial year runs from January to December. The Treasury says that in 2011 the UK net contribution to the EU budget was £8.1bn. But for the UK financial year, running from April 2010 to March 2011, the Treasury says the contribution was £8.91bn.
  • The European Commission has a different figure. In 2011 it says the UK's net contribution was 7.25bn euros (£5.85bn; $9.4bn).

"We are now entering a more intensive period of negotiation."

The European Commission's proposed budget for 2014-2020 would see a 5% increase in spending on the current seven-year period.

Mr Cameron has said he will push for a freeze in the EU's long-term budget - something he says no previous British prime minister has achieved - and he has threatened to use Britain's veto if he does not get what he considers to be a good deal.

Former Conservative minister Sir Tony Baldry urged Tory MPs to get behind the prime minister in the negotiations if they "want the Conservative Party to be in government after the next general election".

But Conservative rebels said that by backing the rebel amendment Parliament would be sending a clear message and strengthening Mr Cameron's negotiating hand.

Sarah Wollaston MP, who was among the Conservative rebels, told BBC Radio 4's Today her party was "absolutely united on Europe" and Mr Cameron had been given a mandate to push for a "real cut".

The UK is the sixth highest contributor to the EU budget per capita, the European Commission says.

The net beneficiaries from the EU budget are mostly the 10 former Soviet bloc countries in Central and Eastern Europe, which joined in 2004 and 2007. Greece, the Republic of Ireland and Portugal are also net beneficiaries.

A budget analyst at the Open Europe think tank, Raoul Ruparel, says the positions of the Netherlands and Sweden are currently close to the UK government position on the EU budget.

France and Germany - big net contributors like the UK - also want a cut to the Commission's budget total, but to a lesser degree.

The 2014-2020 budget would bring a bigger shift of EU resources to the new member states in Central and Eastern Europe, so their positions may be flexible if they fear that a veto would keep the existing framework in place, Mr Ruparel told the BBC.

Estimates for the UK's future net contributions to the EU budget
 

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  • rate this
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    Comment number 656.

    Nearly £10 billion!! Very expensive club when the UK get little out of it. Other European countries not in this sham of a club seem to be fairing better than us, Switzerland is not asking for a bail out. Leaving the EU is a no brainer the Con Dems would achieve the budget cuts without austerity plans, we may actually then get some growth.

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    Comment number 627.

    There is no possibility of meaningful EU reform. There are too many vested interests at play and those will always stop progress dead. The only way we will be able to significantly change things for the UK is to leave. We will still be able to trade with the EU even if we leave. The EU needs to trade with us so will not raise trade barriers. We are not Europeans, maybe it's time to go our own way.

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    Comment number 507.

    The UK should be pressing for major reform of the EU in the interest of all of the EU. As it stands the EU is an extremely inefficient rent seeking society.
    It is potentially valuable to all of Europe, including the UK, but only if it can be cut down to size. The liberals fail to understand the need for reform, but thankfully the Conservatives do.

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    Comment number 429.

    I sincerely hope we do not have an EU membership referendum. Yes the EU juggernaught needs to be reigned in, it has to realise its member states cannot afford to pay more. We cannot however expect to be better off outside the EU as we would lose all the free trade rights that come with it. Best to be on the inside and negotitate than out in the cold.

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    Comment number 124.

    If the EU bureaucrats were company directors, they would have been disqualified years ago; they manage money like a pig manages swill and we should not be giving them any more of ours.

    The rebels did not betray the PM; they supported the public. The PM and his predecessors betrayed *us*, promising referenda they did not deliver.

    Even if right in principle, the EU is not value for money.

 

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