UK in Europe: UKIP's Paul Nuttall and Denis MacShane
27 May 2012 Last updated at 13:45 BST
UKIP deputy leader Paul Nuttall said his party wants to be friends with Europe but it wants to leave the EU saying it was a "bureaucratic mess and expensive" and Britain should look to the globe.
Former Europe Minister Denis MacShane said the EU was Britain's biggest trading partner.
If there was a referendum, he claimed British people would vote to stay in, but "it won't solve anything".
Andrew Neil asked them about Switzerland and Norway's relations with Europe, while they remain outside the EU.
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