Paul Nuttall, Andrew Neil and Denis MacShane
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UK in Europe: UKIP's Paul Nuttall and Denis MacShane

27 May 2012 Last updated at 13:45 BST

UKIP deputy leader Paul Nuttall said his party wants to be friends with Europe but it wants to leave the EU saying it was a "bureaucratic mess and expensive" and Britain should look to the globe.

Former Europe Minister Denis MacShane said the EU was Britain's biggest trading partner.

If there was a referendum, he claimed British people would vote to stay in, but "it won't solve anything".

Andrew Neil asked them about Switzerland and Norway's relations with Europe, while they remain outside the EU.

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