Should the Royal Navy order ships from Scottish yards?

HMS Dauntless HMS Dauntless is launched from the Govan shipyard on the Clyde in 2007

Cabinet Minister David Willetts has joined the debate about whether the Royal Navy should place orders with Scottish shipyards whilst their future in the UK is under discussion.

The Liberal Democrat leader of Portsmouth Council has called for a ban on new orders being given to Glasgow shipyards until after a referendum on independence.

Gerald Vernon-Jackson said it would be "really stupid" to award contracts for British ships that might be built outside Britain.

Portsmouth is currently co-operating with Scottish yards to produce new aircraft carriers, but use of the English yard is under review by defence company BAE Systems.

Devolution debate

Labour has criticised the decision to build new Fleet auxiliary tankers in South Korea.

Their Defence spokesman Jim Murphy backed the Portsmouth call, saying if an independence vote was successful "Scotland would be a foreign country to the Royal Navy".

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David Willetts

This is a very dangerous way to approach the referendum - we don't want English vs Scots, we mustn't start playing one off against another”

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But David Willetts, who is Conservative MP for Havant, and the cabinet minister for Universities and Science, said that was the wrong way to approach the devolution debate.

On the Sunday Politics he told me "this is a very dangerous way to approach the referendum. We don't want English vs Scots, we mustn't start playing one off against another."

Mike Hancock, the Lib Dem MP for Portsmouth South agreed that comparisons were unhelpful, but argued it was difficult to make decisions about shipbuilding contracts with the "unknown factor" of the referendum.

For the SNP Stewart Maxwell has attacked the loss of 5,000 jobs at yards on the Clyde, saying it was the fault of politicians based in London.

"Clyde Yards win orders because of the excellence of workers," he said.

"The idea that you should stop them bidding for orders is ludicrous.

"This is just frightening ship building workers into voting no in case they lose their jobs."

But Labour's Jim Murphy, also from Scotland, said: "The Royal Navy has never built a warship outside the UK. We need this conversation before the referendum; the SNP has not got an answer."

Peter Henley, Political editor, South of England Article written by Peter Henley Peter Henley Political editor, South of England


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    Comment number 1.

    The Scots can't have their cake and eat it and they will have to accept that breaking up the UK will make fundamental changes to their present and future.
    If they truly want the independence they are entitled to they have to realise that they will have to fight for their own survival and no-one owes them a living .... especially the British.

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    Comment number 2.

    Brilliant, david willets is happy for the uk to give contracts for the navy ships to be built in korea, but not to Scotland.

    I take it that a newly independant Scotland is a greater threat than korea. or does David willets just hate the Scots? No wonder there is only one scottish tory at westminster! Blackmail or what, some partnership we have, where korea is of more value than scotland.

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    Comment number 3.

    Vernon-Jackson should shut his cake-hole. The Portsmouth yard is already at risk and he's just scaremongering to try to protect jobs by using the independence issue as his only argument.

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    Comment number 4.

    The fact that Westminster politicians can and do threaten Scottish jobs like this is in itself a powerful case for independence. Trying to hold Scottish shipbuilding to ransom with such threats is likely to backfire big time.

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    Comment number 5.

    No, England should not place any orders with Scottish shipyards. Expect much more of the same if independence goes ahead. I've cancelled a planned trip to Edinburgh and am switching out to another pension provider other than Scottish Life and Widows. Suggest other English people vote with thier feet also.


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