Government defeat in Lords over Health and Social Care Bill

 

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The government has lost a House of Lords vote on its controversial plans to overhaul the NHS in England.

Peers backed an amendment to the Health and Social Care Bill - demanding mental health is made a higher priority - by a margin of four votes.

Several other amendments were debated on Wednesday, but none were voted upon.

Earlier, David Cameron rebuffed calls to drop the bill entirely, but Labour leader Ed Miliband described it as a "complete disaster".

The Health and Social Care Bill, which introduces the biggest shake-up since the founding of the NHS in 1948 and would put GPs in control of much of the NHS budget, returned to the Lords on Wednesday.

The legislation is opposed by Labour and has come under fire from several Liberal Democrat and independent peers, meaning it could have a difficult time getting through Parliament.

'Opportunists'

The government has offered more than 100 concessions in an effort to get the bill passed, but opponents say it should be dropped in its entirety.

Several peers from across the political spectrum have proposed their own amendments too. These will be discussed over the next few weeks.

The story so far

  • The Health and Social Care Bill is one of the flagship bits of legislation from the Conservative-Lib Dem coalition government
  • GPs and other clinicians will be given much more responsibility for NHS spending in England and greater competition with the private sector encouraged
  • The plans were put on hold last Spring after opposition from MPs and peers - Labour warned of privatisation at the expense of patient care.
  • After a "listening exercise" some changes were made and the revised bill cleared its next Commons stage
  • But when the bill was in the Lords before Christmas it faced mounting opposition and the royal colleges of nurses and midwives joined those who opposed the bill outright.
  • Labour are calling for the bill to be dropped, but a series of fresh amendments have been put forward aimed at tackling critics' concerns. They start being debated in the Lords today.
  • There have been reports No 10 want to axe Health Sec Andrew Lansley for mishandling the bill, but they have been denied and David Cameron has insisted the bill is needed to improve the NHS.

The first of those debated on Wednesday - demanding that the health secretary ensures that mental health care is treated as importantly as physical health care by the NHS - was put forward cross-bencher Lord Patel, and passed by a by 244 votes to 240.

Three Liberal Democrats - Lord Alliance, Lord Carlile of Berriew and Baroness Tonge - rebelled against the government.

Peers accepted a government-backed amendment specifying that the health secretary retains "ministerial responsibility to Parliament for the provision of the health service in England".

Several more amendments - all discussing the powers and responsibilities of the health secretary - were debated.

Opposition to the bill from medical professionals - including the British Medical Association and the Royal College of Nursing - has led to speculation about Health Secretary Andrew Lansley's position.

At prime minister's questions in the House of Commons, Mr Miliband told Mr Cameron: "You know, in your heart of hearts, this is a complete disaster, this bill."

Referring to a critical article on the Tory Reform Group website saying: "It comes to something when even the Tories don't trust the Tories on the NHS."

He said the prime minister had broken a pre-election promise not to have any "top-down re-organisation of the NHS" and told him: "Every day he fights for this bill, every day trust in him on the NHS ebbs away, every day it becomes clearer the NHS is not safe in his hands."

But Mr Cameron said Labour had previously supported NHS reform - and would not match government commitments on NHS spending: "They are not in favour of the money. They are not in favour of the reform. They are just a bunch of opportunists."

He criticised Labour's record on the NHS in Wales - where the party controls the Welsh Assembly - and said the coalition was cutting bureaucracy and ploughing money back into patient care.

He said of Mr Miliband: "This is not a campaign to save the NHS. This is a campaign to try and save his leadership. I make this prediction, the NHS will go on getting better and his prospects will go on getting worse."

'Squeezing out' patients

The Tory Reform Group later accused Mr Miliband of a "complete misrepresentation" of its position - as the blog post had been written by an independent contributor and it said it remained a "staunch supporter" of the proposals.

As the session was under way in the Commons, the Faculty of Public Health became the latest healthcare body to call for the Bill to be dropped, "in the best interests of everyone's health".

But 54 NHS Trust directors backed a provision in the bill to allow hospitals to raise up to 49% of their income from private patients, saying in a letter to the Times, that there were "sound medical and clinical reasons" for it.

On Tuesday Downing Street said Mr Lansley had the prime minister's "full support" - following an anonymous quote in the Times, attributed to a Downing Street source, suggesting the health secretary should be "taken out and shot" over the policy.

It was even suggested that the former Labour Health Secretary Alan Milburn might be given a peerage and then take over from Mr Lansley.

But Mr Milburn told BBC Radio 4's World at One there was "fat chance" of that happening.

He added: "There might be a demand side. You'll have to ask Number 10 about that. But there certainly isn't a supply side, at least as not as far as I'm concerned."

 

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  • rate this
    +3

    Comment number 269.

    Lansley and Co are like the fabled dry fig tree, nothing good comes of them.

  • rate this
    -4

    Comment number 268.

    The NHS is the biggest rip-off in this country since Queen Elizabeth the Second was put in as unelected Head of State.

  • rate this
    +6

    Comment number 267.

    Where are those online petition links you ask?


    http://www.38degrees.org.uk/page/s/Protect_our_NHS_Petition

    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/22670

    Don't delay, sign today!

  • rate this
    +4

    Comment number 266.

    This bill must be scrap and it must be scrap now. No ifs no butts.

  • rate this
    +4

    Comment number 265.

    Glad to see some comments also of the damage being inflicted on our Education system - but no real coverage or debate about that either. The privatisation of our nation's health care and education system serves a priviledged few.

  • rate this
    +2

    Comment number 264.

    255 marie Although I basically agree with what you say you must realise that while the NHS are taking the private patients they have been sending NHS patients to private hospitals for years. Many specialists have full days in private hospitals dealing with NHS routine appointments and my husband and I have both been treated in this way for small ops and complicated internal examinations by camera

  • rate this
    +2

    Comment number 263.

    Absolutely brilliant result for me and others like me. Stuck in an NHS psychiatric acute ward where not even the symptoms are understood and the causes of illness are ignored. With Staff who mean so well but are so inured to abuse that they no longer see it and treated as pariahs by the ignorant. May God Bless the Lords who voted for parity for mental health. Our Human Rights are at stake for us.

  • rate this
    +6

    Comment number 262.

    If I ever receive a bill for treatment under the NHS, it will be forwarded to David Cameron.

    When Labour have to borrow money to put the NHS back to normal after the government have finished fiddling with it, everyone will be moaning.

  • rate this
    +7

    Comment number 261.

    My job requires me to work closely with both Commissioners and front line clinical staff in West of London NHS. None wish this change -they tell me it has been tried before and failed in every respect. A GP recently told me that she just wanted to treat people - she did not wish to be an accountant. What happened to this Goverments promise to consult and listen to those it will effect.Give it up.

  • rate this
    +4

    Comment number 260.

    re:653
    I agree - more coverage please BBC, it's headline news.

    It's depressingly ironic that Capello should see fit to resign over a dodgy footballer, and yet . . .Cameron, Osbourne, Clegg, Lansley & Gove continue to trash the country and are still there.

    Make your opposition count - sign up on the online petitions listed in this thread.

  • rate this
    +2

    Comment number 259.

    What is it with the BBC and the NHS? As soon as a negative story and the coalition appear it's HYS time.

    Why don't you just nail your colours to the mast BBC, we all know you want your paymasters back

  • rate this
    +9

    Comment number 258.

    Even if the bill does go through, such is the strength of anger in the country that i would not be surprised at all if at the next election much of the damage inflicted on the NHS is reversed, private contractors should be very worried, their contracts may not be worth the paper they are written on.

    http://www.38degrees.org.uk/page/s/Protect_our_NHS_Petition

  • rate this
    +7

    Comment number 257.

    The NHS spends £10 billion a year on transaction costs, administering service procurement from outside providers. The £10 billion is just spent on administration, the services provided represent another additional cost. This reduces the amount of money available to update equipment, buy drugs and employ front line staff. More commissioning means these costs will increase proportionately.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 256.

    People should realise that it is private investors and businesses which are stripping the NHS of all its assets. ie charges for leases of hospitals & equipment, external firms charging for maintenance, television hire, telephone hire, private car park companies in fact everything that was owned by the tax payer let go by labour to get bigger and better at an unforgivable cost and loss to the UK.

  • rate this
    +8

    Comment number 255.

    252 I'm not against reforming the NHS per sae, in terms of making it run as efficiently as it can & reducing wastage.

    It's just THESE specific reforms which I feel will create far more problems than they solve. NHS hospitals being allowed to take up to 49% of private patients just isn't morally/ethically right; it isn't even been done to help fund the NHS.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 254.

    @245 RoyaltyinTheChampionship

    I could. We are the only western country will a healthcare system entirely free at the point of delivery. Many illnesses are self-inflicted despite widespread publicity of risks (heart disease, diabetes and obesity, for example).

    Personally I think education is priority. Give children the opportunity to reverse the mess us ''grown-ups'' have made of the country.

  • rate this
    +9

    Comment number 253.

    Why is there so little coverage of this on the BBC? I watched BBC24 for almost an hour earlier this evening and all they discussed was sport - the resignation of one man and the sacking of another. I can't even learn from this website what the other amendments being debated today were. Surely something this important deserves better coverage.

  • rate this
    +4

    Comment number 252.

    4 Ed's comments and 3 specifically call for the NHS to be changed....
    Doesn't quite reflect the content of these boards

    Seems around 90% of people, even those who believe in the Tories are against this. Maybe the people who pull Camerons strings could grow a conscience, it's not too late to say NO - Even if you are the God parents of the CEO's of the prospective private health company's children

  • rate this
    +3

    Comment number 251.

    Despite the defeat in the Lords the govt will do one of 2 things.Either invoke financial priviledge again like on welfare reform or after 3 attempts thru the Lords will use the Parliament act to force it thru.Either way,this bill will be enacted.Its then down to how its implemented and whether any potential major issues arise after.Once the reforms are done it'll be near impossible to undo again.

  • rate this
    +9

    Comment number 250.

    This government are like a bunch of stubborn, petulant children. The bill does not work, they loaded the Lords with as many of 'their kind of people' as possible and still they get defeated there, the professionals don't like it and neither do the public. It's time this farce was stopped and this ridiculous bill was scrapped.

 

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