Tory MPs seeking Labour dialogue over 'EU overhaul'

 
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Eurosceptic Tory backbenchers want to build a cross-party dialogue with like-minded Labour MPs about reshaping the UK's relationship with Europe.

A new group of 90 Tory MPs will meet on Monday for the first time to discuss ideas for "a radical overhaul" of the EU in the wake of the euro debt crisis.

One said he was keen in future for Labour MPs to attend as the number of opposition eurosceptics was growing.

Ministers have ruled out any imminent renegotiation of European treaties.

Monday's meeting is likely to put down a marker on the issue ahead of next month's Conservative Party conference, where the future of the EU is likely to be a prominent issue.

Attitudes to Europe within the Conservative Party have hardened in recent months as EU leaders have spoken openly of the prospect of closer fiscal union to support the embattled eurozone.

Despite the UK not being a member of the single currency, David Cameron has insisted the break-up of the eurozone is not in the country's interests, while George Osborne has suggested further integrationist measures - such as pan-euro bonds or debt guarantees - may be needed to support the weaker euro members.

'Sensible discussions'

Although Monday's meeting is open to all Conservatives, the initiative is being driven by MPs elected for the first time in 2010.

They are regarded as being more eurosceptic than their predecessors and keener to take back powers from Brussels, initially focusing or social and employment legislation, rather than just resisting further economic and political integration.

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We need to end the presumption of ever-closer union”

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One of the group's leaders, George Eustice, David Cameron's former press secretary, said it would promote a "sensible discussion about how we can radically overhaul the EU and make it fit for purpose in the 21st Century".

"We need to end the presumption of ever-closer union," the MP for Camborne and Redruth said.

"There is already a strong case for some of these powers being repatriated to national Parliaments."

Discussions would take place in a "constructive" not "divisive" manner and the group would support the government, he stressed, particularly in its handling of the immediate crisis facing the eurozone.

"We have a eurosceptic prime minister and a Conservative Party which means business. We want to work with the government," he added.

"It is important we start to come up with thinking about what the EU will become and how we want to start to change it."

He confirmed the group's leaders - which also include Chris Heaton-Harris and Andrew Leadsom - had put out feelers to Labour MPs who shared their views.

"There have always been a fair number of Labour MPs who are quite sceptical. The new Labour intake is quite sceptical about Europe and looking to change our relationship with it."

Referendum issue

Some Tory MPs, led by veteran Eurosceptic Bill Cash, want to go much further and are calling for a referendum on the UK's continuing membership of the EU.

Mr Cash wants the public to given a choice between leaving the EU altogether or renegotiating membership to base it upon a free trade area underpinned by political cooperation.

Mr Eustice, a former UKIP election candidate and anti-euro campaigner, said he disagreed, saying "now was not the time to be calling for referendums".

Labour's frontbench has seized on the formation of the new Tory group to suggest the "same old" divisions on the issue were resurfacing in the party.

"Instead of internal squabbling about Europe the government should be taking the lead in Europe on urging a global plan for growth," said shadow Europe minister Wayne David.

But five Labour MPs are among those to have signed a petition - to be handed in at Downing Street on Thursday - calling for a referendum on Britain's future in Europe.

Last year the government introduce a "referendum lock", guaranteeing that no further major transfer of powers from London to Brussels could happen without first being approved by the public.

Asked about the prospect of a wider referendum at prime minister's questions, Mr Cameron said "we are in Europe and we have to make it work for us".

'Naivety'

Mr Cameron, who also met European Council President Herman van Rompuy on Wednesday, has said he could push for a renegotiation of existing EU rules on employment and financial regulation at an appropriate time in the future.

The UK Independence Party, which campaigns for Britain's exit from the EU, said it was "obvious" the UK's existing arrangements inside the EU were not working but that Mr Cameron was not proposing an alternative.

"By ruling out a referendum, he leaves himself naked in the negotiations," leader Nigel Farage said.

"Our EU colleagues must be laughing at his naivety."

With Europe's focus squarely on its economic problems, the Treasury has made clear there is no "immediate prospect" of a major renegotiation of existing laws.

Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg - whose MPs are mostly pro-European - has warned against using the current crisis to fundamentally redraw the UK's relationship with Europe.

 

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  • rate this
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    Comment number 47.

    7.Hmmm
    It's over 40 years since the public were asked whether they wanted to join the Common Market.
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    Not quite, it's only 36 years

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    Comment number 46.

    Nigel Farage is right. Everyone knows this but it's not "PC" to say so. MPs such as Bill Cash [Cons.] and Gisela Stuart [Lab.] along with Lord Lawson and Lord Pearson, at least, aren't scared of saying the truth: that we wish the EU well but do not want the UK to be within it. Trading partners, yes; parts of a Eurostate, NO.

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    Comment number 45.

    So the continent that gave us Fascism, Communism and two World Wars in just the last 100 years is in a spot of bother again, then? Maybe we should have a sensible grown-up discussion, admit we (UK) make poor Europeans, and go our separate ways. There's a whole world out there, much of it even speaks English, and much of it also regards us more cordially than many of our EU 'partners' ever will.

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    Comment number 44.

    What a brilliant idea, trying to get cross party concensus on an important issue, what a shame that in 13 years of government they were unable to to try it!!!

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    Comment number 43.

    @nautonier

    You're mistaken if you believe that there are no companies that would relocate back into the EU, taking jobs with them. Also, yes those rankings measure risk, the risk of investing in London, which over time equates to jobs.

    The 'undemocratic' argument is valid, but perhaps we should look at how a party with 26% of the vote can get only 8% of the seats in our own country first.

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    Comment number 42.

    One word. Referendum.

    Let we the people have our say.

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    Comment number 41.

    38.Erin
    7th September 2011 - 22:35
    @nautonier - "Growth! Jobs! Prosperity! Investment! Confidence!"
    >
    I don't care where Britain is in bank listings as those ranking simply measure risk as with the collapse of the Irish economy & what you call a xenophobic fantasy world is very real to 10m economically inactive.
    England is now over-populated with those wanting other people's property

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    Comment number 40.

    'redhaven'
    You are wrong because the parliament has very little say, MEPs get 1 minute speeches and very rarely, the majority do not get a say, and state leaders just do what they are told to do by the commission. Take it from someone who knows an MEP and the troubles MEPs have

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    Comment number 39.

    No doubt these will be slapped down by the euro-stooge Cameron and his good buddy Clegg.

    We need to get out of Europe, their economy and human rights laws are everything this country does not need, I don't see the need to bail out:

    Greece
    Spain
    Italy
    Portugal
    Bogus Asylum Seekers
    Terrorists
    Yobs

    Everyone the Euro government says we should, basically. Labour shouldn't have signed us up to this.

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    Comment number 38.

    @nautonier - "Growth! Jobs! Prosperity! Investment! Confidence!"

    Yes, and George Osbourne will start laying golden eggs too!

    Oh, and consider London's reclaimed status as financial center of the world - how long would that last if it goes from being in the largest economy in the world to an economy one seventh the size? I take it that doesn't change in your xenophobic fantasy world?

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    Comment number 37.

    34.johnwhite46
    Nautonier: Re EU and war:

    The EU is irrelevant to war in Europe to date.
    >

    We know that I think - if anyone thinks that polarising power in a couple of Benelux Eurocrat strongholds will lead to short medium or long term peace/ stability in the EU & beyond - as denying democracy & freedom of expression - they are wrong.

    Keep an eye on e.g. the Balkans/Greece - problems...

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    Comment number 36.

    'jamesg163'

    It's true that legislations came from the commissioners. But these won't get passed unless they got the thumbs up from the European Parliament and the European Council (consists of the leaders of the member state). Plus, they get quizzed by the parliament before they become commissioners for a limited time. Undemocratic? Since when did cabinet members got quizzed by the H. of Commons?

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    Comment number 35.

    *AWKWARD TURTLE*

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    Comment number 34.

    Nautonier: Re EU and war:

    In 1945, mass migrations of peoples ensured that, apart from behind the Iron Curtain the points of conflict were largely removed.
    USA and the USSR both having nuclear weapons, led to the Cold War instead.
    The 6 nation Common Market was formed in 1957, increasing in size gradually since then to its current 27.

    The EU is irrelevant to war in Europe to date.

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    Comment number 33.

    I'm just in shock the BBC is finally highlighting this issue!

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    Comment number 32.

    Mark S

    There has been no war between America and Japan since 1945 either.

    As for the "little englander" comments, lets turn the Council of europe into a free trade area and scrap the EU. The Council of Europe has 47 member countries and a far larget head count than the EU. Better still, why don't we have a global free trade agreement instead of just one corner of the world?

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    Comment number 31.

    Perhaps a referendum to decide whether to have a referendum :)

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    Comment number 30.

    28.Erin

    I wonder what effect all those EU immigrants fleeing the country would have on the economy?
    >
    Growth! Jobs! Prosperity! Investment! Confidence!

    Those that don't like the way we do things here might be better going home & when all those immigrants go home - those that remain will be better off - live long & prosper

    Bliss
    Happiness
    etc

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    Comment number 29.

    26.Mark S
    27 Minutes ago
    For all the little Englanders out there. Consider this. The EU, along with NATO, has been the main reason that there has been no pan-European War since 1945.
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    and the consequence of the EU not being democratic & as being a closed door Eurocrat dictatorship ... will be

    WAR!

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    Comment number 28.

    Honestly, going through reports on past discussions on the evolution of the EU, it seems to me that it's always this country that stifles change. If the UK leaves the EU, I'll feel a little sad when it's left in the dust, but fortunately for me I'm a citizen of a second EU country and will happily relocate. I wonder what effect all those EU immigrants fleeing the country would have on the economy?

 

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