Health ministers 'oppose abortion advice changes'
The proposal applies to abortion advice in England and not the rest of the UK
The government has written to all MPs to tell them health ministers will vote against a proposal to change the advice given to women seeking an abortion.
Conservative MP Nadine Dorries has suggested abortion advice in England should not be given by organisations that carry out terminations.
The government says it is committed to making sure counselling is independent.
Some Tory MPs say they are angry at what they see as an attempt to put them under pressure during a Commons debate.
Downing Street earlier made it clear Prime Minister David Cameron opposed Ms Dorries' amendment to the Health and Social Care Bill.
However, a spokesperson said that no pressure was being applied to Conservative MPs to vote in a particular way.
The bill is due to be discussed by MPs in the Commons on Tuesday and Wednesday but it is not yet certain that the amendment will even be heard, says BBC political correspondent Ben Geoghegan.
At present, women seeking an abortion need the consent of two doctors, which can be obtained through an NHS clinic or GP surgery, or at a private provider, such as Marie Stopes or the British Pregnancy Advisory Service (BPAS), affiliated to the NHS.
In both cases, staff have a duty to provide counselling to the women who use them - and under Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists' guidelines that advice should be impartial, objective and unbiased.
'Nothing finalised'Ms Dorries' amendment - which is also supported by Labour backbencher Frank Field - would remove that duty from Marie Stopes and BPAS.
It says the NHS - specifically GPs - should provide "independent information, advice and counselling services for women requesting termination of pregnancy" - and it defines "independent" as an organisation that does not itself provide abortions.
There are no other stipulations about who those independent bodies could be. Pro-choice campaigners say they could be faith-based groups morally opposed to abortion, who will seek to persuade women that going ahead with one would be a sin.
While MPs are traditionally given a "free vote" on abortion, the Department of Health's letter to MPs says all health ministers are against the idea.
The Department of Health says it is looking to consult over the advice available to women seeking terminations and has not finalised any proposals yet.
It says any requirement to offer independent counselling would be in addition to what is already provided by GPs and clinics, not instead of it, and the government does not propose to strip abortion charities of their ability to provide advice.
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Comment number 702.
marie3rd September 2011 - 22:37
694 ticalex I'm a trained nurse who worked for a while in a gynaelogical hospital, at times with women undergoing termination. Believe me there are a high number of abortions, although usually carried out for the soundest of reasons.
I do not want to see a change in the law on abortion, however I would like to see more done to change attitudes & help prevent unwanted pregnancy in our young people.
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Comment number 603.
marie3rd September 2011 - 18:54
There is a certain amount of truth that the abortion rate in this country should be lower, however this is no reason to withdraw the procedure or make the process even more difficult than it already is for those in dire need.
In some cases 'what went wrong' needs addressing. Does contraception really fail as frequently as some suggest or do many young people fail to use it in the first place?
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Comment number 262.
Chris3rd September 2011 - 10:47
The problem is there is a massive difference between "independent" and "unbiased". The former is not required for the latter to be true. If the bill said "independent unbiased counselling" then thats fine. It doesn't and it's wrong to have counselling that pushes either the pro-life or pro-choice agenda. Neutral questions are whats required, not a sermon about a religious text or viewpoint.
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Comment number 239.
elsi643rd September 2011 - 10:36
Good Grief! What a lot of nonsense masquerading as comment! I am a nurse I work on a daily basis performing early medical abortions. This proposal of Dorries would mean a delay to treatment which can only adversely affect women who are in this position. We ask the women we are treating at every stage if they are sure of there decision and I credit them with minds of their own.
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Comment number 220.
mattfrombrum3rd September 2011 - 10:26
If people are really pro choice then they should let a mother have independent advice before making that decision. The mother should be made aware that abortion can have a devistating emotional effect on a woman and also that support may be out there should they chose to keep the baby. Surely in any choice the more informed people are the better?
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