England riots: The conflict still to come


PM vows to do 'whatever it takes' to catch riot criminals

An emergency session of the Commons. A prime minister promising to track down and to punish wrongdoers. The leader of the opposition pledging to stand shoulder to shoulder with him.

It was as if the country was at war.

This was on the morning after the night on which the conflict on Britain's streets appeared to have halted.

The signs were there, though, of the political conflict to come.

Labour MPs lined up to demand a halt to planned cuts to police budgets and manpower.

One, the representative for what he called "war-torn" Croydon, described this "as the wrong policy at the wrong time".

In reply, David Cameron insisted that the problem was not future government cuts but current police practices which had kept too many officers stuck in their offices and off the front line.

He claimed that senior officers now accepted they'd got their tactics wrong.

When political hostilities recommence it will be a Conservative-led government challenging them and a Labour opposition rushing to their defence.

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    Comment number 720.

    starhelm @714
    Operative hope...

    Caring and rational, we can trust

    Born and educated to lead, still in need of luck

    Real concern whether well-informed / well-advised

    Antics aboard, in stormy seas, have worried

    DC promised much & GO signals end to neglect

    Will we empower all for contribution?

    "England expects" certainly, and so the UK.

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    Comment number 719.

    Not alone…!


    What more could GO ask: Real Democracy + Efficiency Savings...

    Surely now, some positivity in response!

    "Come together", or - Catch-22 - be at best (n-1) incompetents?

    Need we be taken to the Vet's, or shall we speak to the Doctor?

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    Comment number 718.

    Not alone…!

    6. From confessed / evident incapacities, dominance by elite inevitable

    7. From (1,2,6) representation of the incompetent HAS to be by identity

    8. If our leaders HAVE to share economic identity, it follows also for us

    9. With such democratic efficiency, truly big issues more by e-referenda

    10. Given trust in Civil Service etc, little-use Executive jury-sized?

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    Comment number 717.

    Not alone…!

    1. Look at the world: we collectively MUST be 'barking mad'

    2. Look at this blog: right or wrong at least (n-1) remain 'barking mad'

    3. Why do we keep posting: we all think we might not be 'barking mad'

    4. (2) + (3) = abandon? Well, no: all hope N intelligences 'out there'

    5. "Ashamed": no call - together we make the case for Income Equality

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    Comment number 716.

    We now have, finally after 30 years, a Conservative party leader who was born and educated to lead. He has people in cabinet who think, who are not spinning around in emotional intelligence and are able to make decisions that are needed, tough decisions, to again place the UK in a position where it might regain some sanity. The operative concept here is, sanity.

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    Comment number 715.

    713 - How so?

    I didn't say he WAS a lump of lard, only that he was LIKE a lump of lard.

    It's the only thing he's told us about himself, that he eats too many pies.

    It was an analogy.

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    Comment number 714.


    If Saga is saying that poverty might be one of the many factors that leads to someone committing a crime but is no excuse for the act, then it's just about the only sensible thing he's said today.

    But I'm sure that isn't what he's saying. Most of the time even he doesn't know what he means.

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    Comment number 712.


    Let me see Saga; these "societal causes" wouldnt necessarily only happen in certain years would they?? Like 79-97 and 2011 onwards?

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    Comment number 711.


    If bryhers hat has been worn through, lefty11 is probably having trouble sitting down.

    His voice does go a bit muffled when he does...

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    Comment number 710.

    Oh dear.

    Lefty's back with the James Blunt thing again. Thinking he's being clever. But he's a berk, for anyone who thinks about it.

    As for half term. roads quieter on the way into work I suppose.

    And still no background details about yourself?

    Ashamed or embarressed?

    I looked forward to more puffed up windbaggery from lefty11, the biggest berk on this BB

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    Comment number 709.

    Tremendous aversion on the right of politics to recognising societal factors as drivers of crime. I think the reason for this is they take it to mean that actual individuals can then validly cite these factors to excuse/mitigate the actual crimes they commit. Which is a completely different sentiment when you think about it. And this is perhaps what's lacking sometimes ... the thinking bit.

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    Comment number 708.

    685 bryhers
    Contradicting yourself again Don Quix / sancho panza
    "each to his abilities, each to his needs" .
    that was a core part of the old marxist mantra

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    Comment number 707.

    my criminology prof disabused me of the poverty-crime connection
    years ago. It is only a political mantra now.

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    Comment number 706.

    Bryhers 705.
    Your hat must be worn out, bryhers - you have talked throught it all night.
    "Poverty a necessary condition for crime ?" Oh rubbish!
    Other markers yes but poverty no.
    Communications work you said? Have your own pigeon them ?

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    Comment number 705.

    JG 647

    Talking through your hat again.Of course there`s an association between crime and poverty.But poverty is a necessary but not a sufficient condition.Other markers include one parent families,poor education,lack of employment,housing..

    Don`t tell med about white collar crime,I know.Criminological generalizations depend on probabilities to which there are exceptions.

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    Comment number 704.

    Lefty 11

    Hi,difficult one for the conservatives and the Lib-Dems,he`s damaged goods.The Lib-dems will struggle to keep him on and struggle some more if they do.They`re finished electorally so they`ll tend to split into a Con and Labour faction with the centre running around like headless chickens.

    The tories won`t keep him on out of loyalty,he`s been used and he doesn`t know it.


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