As it happened: MPs debate riots

Key points

  • Prime Minister David Cameron tells MPs: "We will not allow a climate of fear to exist on our streets"
  • PM says police initially treated problems "as a public order issue" rather than criminality
  • Those whose homes or businesses were damaged will be able to seek compensation under Riot Damages Act, PM says
  • Labour leader Ed Miliband says MPs "stand shoulder to shoulder, united against the vandalism and violence".

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  1.  
    1017:

    Hello and welcome to our live text coverage as MPs stage an emergency debate on the wave of mob violence and looting that has spread from London to other English cities since the weekend. Prime Minister David Cameron is to make a statement at 1130. Home Secretary Theresa May will speak at about 1330 - and that will be followed by a full debate lasting up to eight hours. There will not be a vote.

     
  2.  
    1020:

    Parliament has been recalled for one day to debate the riots. Chancellor George Osborne will also use the opportunity to make a statement on the global economic turmoil, expected at 1230.

     
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    1021:

    Stick with us for live updates from the House of Commons and analysis from BBC Political Correspondent Iain Watson, as well as your comments and tweets.

     
  4.  
    1024:

    Labour is calling for police spending cuts to be reversed in light of the rioting. This looks likely to be Ed Miliband's line of attack during the debate which will follow David Cameron's statement. The Commons should be busy, even though many MPs will have been on holiday when Parliament was reconvened.

     
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    1032:

    The Metropolitan Police have released the latest figures on arrests arising from the disorder across London. Some 888 people have been taken into custody and 371 have been charged. Wednesday night was relatively quiet across England. But there was an incident in Eltham, south-east London, where officers were pelted with missiles by a group of about 100 people.

     
  6.  
    1033:

    As many people in England remain uneasy about the prospect of a repeat of the recent rioting, Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg is to address a meeting in south London this evening, where he is expected to say the government will stand "shoulder to shoulder" with those helping to clear up the mess left by widespread criminal damage.

     
  7.  
    1034:

    Birmingham, where three men died after being hit by a car on Tuesday, was described as calm last night. About 250 people attended a peaceful vigil in memory of Haroon Jahan, Shahzad Ali and Abdul Musavir. A man aged 32 has been held on suspicion of murder. Detectives have until midday to question him.

     
  8.  
    1035:

    The e-petition on the government's website, calling for convicted London rioters to lose benefit payments, looks set to pass the 100,000-signature mark within the next few hours, the BBC's Chris Mason reports. If this is achieved, it is likely to prompt a Commons debate on the proposal.

     
  9.  
    1038: Amit Thakrar

    tweets: I hope people think again before complaining about the "British weather". The rain kept those looters indoors last night.

     
  10.  
    1039:

    Two men from Lancashire have been charged after allegedly encouraging disorder on Facebook. Christopher Schofield, 25, of Eckroyd Close, Nelson, and Warren Calvert, 19, of Kingsway, Heysham, have been charged with "intentionally encouraging or assisting in the commission of an either way offence, believing it would be committed".

     
  11.  
    1040:

    The leader of Nottingham City Council, Jon Collins, has warned that any council tenants involved in rioting could be evicted. He is also warning parents to control their children, saying: "If young people living in your home have been involved in the violence over the past few days, they are putting your tenancy at risk."

     
  12.  
    1041:

    Housing minister Grant Shapps says David Cameron will unveil a "package of measures" aimed at restoring communities damaged in the violence and looting in his Commons statement.

     
  13.  
    1042:

    Some Labour MPs seem certain to try and link the riots to wider government spending cuts - such as the Educational Maintainence Allowance or council youth services - which is likely to provoke a fierce response from coalition ministers, if a clash between Michael Gove and Harriet Harman on Tuesday's BBC's Newsnight is anything to go by.

     
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    1044:

    But - given the seriousness of the situation on many of England's streets - most MPs are likely to try and strike a non-partisan note. They will not want it to descend into party political political point scoring.

     
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    1045:

    The chancellor's statement on the economy is more likely to provoke a more heated argument. George Osborne has written an article in the Daily Telegraph saying the government has a plan to revitalise the economy, including lower corporation tax rates, less regulation for small firms, welfare reform, planning changes and lower taxes for entrepreneurs.

     
  16.  
    1046:

    Here's Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg talking on BBC Breakfast about the need to properly punish those people responsible for the riots

     
  17.  
    1048:

    As London's courts deal with hundreds of cases arising from the riots, a graduate who hoped to become a social worker has admitted she stole a TV. Natasha Reid, 24, from Rosemary Avenue, Edmonton, north London, pleaded guilty at City of Westminster Magistrates' Court to theft and entering with intent to steal. Reid noticed a Comet store in Enfield had been broken into and took a \u00a3300 television. Her case was adjourned for sentencing until September 1. Almost 100 people appeared at Westminster overnight, with prosecutors working 5pm to 9am shifts.

     
  18.  
    1050:

    On the idea of evicting troublemakers, Martin Rye tweets: Rather than take their house away how about making them paint it? If you remove their home it will make the issues worse!

     
  19.  
    1052:

    Here is PC Gordon Murphy, who has been describing how he and five fellow officers fended off a gang of 50 hooded youths from ransacking a retail park in Catford, south-east London, during Monday's riots.

    PC Gordon Murphy
     
  20.  
    1057:

    Housing minister Grant Shapps says 100 families have been made homeless as a result of the disturbances. He tells Sky News he is looking at measures to prevent rioters from being given social housing. Mr Shapps is promising to widen an existing consultation on dealing with "neighbours from hell". He says that "if someone moves to someone else's neighbourhood and makes their lives hell, shouldn't that count?"

     
  21.  
    1059: Kisha Duhaney

    tweets: I think that those involved in the riots should be sentenced with community service & clean up their mess!

     
  22.  
    1100:

    Some reaction from abroad. North Korean media has made its first mention of the unrest in England, BBC Monitoring reports. A brief news item published by the official news agency of the reclusive Asian state describes the death of Mark Duggan in Tottenham last week - which sparked the initial rioting - as "an atrocious act of murder by the police".

     
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    Residents of Birmingham have laid flowers at the spot where three men died after being hit by a car early on Wednesday morning. A vigil was also held for Haroon Jahan, Shazad Ali and Abdul Musavir.

    Vigil in Birmingham
     
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    1110:

    Newspaper columnists have been looking ahead to the emergency debate. Seumas Milne predicts in The Guardian that the prime minister will maintain that "the unrest has no cause except criminality". Stephen Glover, in the Daily Mail says the coalition has failed to "rise to the occasion" and urges Mr Cameron to be "bolder" in his response. The BBC's Clare Spencer has compiled a round-up of views.

     
  25.  
    1111: Jennifer Daisy

    tweets: Only in England can youths organise riots on Blackberry phones worth hundreds of \u00a3s while claiming to be poverty-stricken.

     
  26.  
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    The 16,000 police on duty in London had relatively little to do last night, but staffing will be maintained at this level for at least another night, the authorities say. The usual number of officers on duty overnight is about 3,500.

    Police in London
     
  27.  
    1112:

    David Cameron has just left Downing Street for the short journey to Parliament.

     
  28.  
    1113: Via Email

    Lee York from Peckham says: "One of the shops broken in to during rioting has a board over it. Someone has put this sign up and lots of other people have added post-its saying why they love Peckham too. I live here and it was very moving. It was great to see the community coming together in the face of the rioters."

    Photo: Lee York
     
  29.  
    1115:

    The Premier League match between Tottenham and Everton at White Hart Lane, scheduled for this weekend has been postponed, the BBC learns. There are concerns that several other games in London could also be called off, amid fears of further unrest. England's friendly match against the Netherlands on Wednesday was cancelled.

     
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    For Labour, shadow Welsh secretary Peter Hain says the government's policy of police cuts "doesn't really add up" at a time of fear. He tells Sky News it gives the "wrong signal" to those involved in the disorder.

     
  31.  
    1123: Joel Richards

    tweets: Right decision to call #thfc #efc off. Disappointing I'm sure but guess you have to look at the bigger picture

     
  32.  
    1123: Pete Hannon

    tweets: Gutted 1st game of the season is off. Surely the games in the rest of London, Birmingham, Manchester and Liverpool will be off too. #thfc

     
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    1126:

    The Commons home affairs select committee has met to discuss the riots. Its chairman, Labour MP Keith Vaz, says it will hold an inquiry when Parliament reconvenes after the summer break. Its remit will include the role of social networking in organising recent criminal activity, he adds.

     
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    1127:

    Here is Sir Hugh Orde, president of the Association of Chief Police officers after this morning's Cobra meeting arguing that robust policing had been shown to work after a fifth consecutive night of violence was avoided.

     
  35.  
    1129:

    One man in Birmingham, says the city centre is less "bustling" than usual following the deaths of three men in the early hours of Wednesday. The mood is "calm", he tells the BBC News Channel.

     
  36.  
    1130:

    Some more foreign reaction. State-owned Libyan TV has told its viewers that "The British Broadcasting Corporation has revealed that David Cameron is carrying out a large-scale terror operation against the British people". According to BBC Monitoring, the channel said that the rioters were "revolutionaries" fighting against "Cameron's mercenaries and brigades".

     
  37.  
    1131: David Flynn

    tweets: What kind of message does cancelling football send to the rest of the world 12 months before the Olympics? Ashamed of UK #londonriots

     
  38.  
    1135:

    The House of Commons is packed for the PM's statement.

     
  39.  
    1136:

    David Cameron is addressing MPs. He begins by saying it was right to recall Parliament to show a "united front".

     
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    1137:

    Mr Cameron calls the rioting "crminality, pure and simple".

     
  41.  
    1137:

    The PM says the government will not allow a "culture of fear" to take over the streets.

     
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    1138:

    There are questions to be answered over the shooting of Mark Duggan in Tottenham last week, Mr Cameron says.

     
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    1138:

    Mark Duggan's death was used as an "excuse" by "opportunistic gangs" to riot, the PM says.

     
  44.  
    1139:

    Police have shown "incredible bravery", Mr Cameron tells MPs, to loud shouts of "hear, hear" by MPs.

     
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    1141:

    Police were initially too slow to react to the riots and wrong to treat it as a public order issue rather than one of criminality, says Mr Cameron and police chiefs have admitted this to him.

     
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    1141:

    Officers face a "new challenge" of looting taking place in several places at the same time, the PM says.

     
  47.  
    1142:

    The increased numbers of police on duty will continue throughout the weekend, Mr Cameron tells MPs.

     
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    1142:

    Courts will sit through the night for as long as necessary to deal with the extra cases brought over the recent violence and looting, Mr Cameron says.

     
  49.  
    1142:

    Army support for police is only a "last resort" and is not desirable, the PM says.

     
  50.  
    1142:

    The PM promises to tackle organisation of criminal groups on social networking sites.

     
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    1143:
    MPs in the Commons for the riots debate

    Here's a snap of a packed Commons chamber as the debate starts - looks like most MPs made it back off their holidays, or from their constituencies, for the day.

     
  52.  
    1144: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    It didn't take the prime minister long to flag up some initial police failings - dealing with the rioters as though they were demonstrators or football supporters -"public order policing" - and not as criminals

     
  53.  
    1144:

    Mr Cameron says he will give police powers to force people to remove facial coverings - such as scarves - where there are "reasonable grounds" to believe they are planning criminal activity.

     
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    1145:

    The fightback has "well and truly begun", the PM says.

     
  55.  
    1145: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    The PM once described himself as a "liberal Conservative" but seems to have caught the mood of the House by denouncing "phoney" human rights concerns over publishing CCTV images.

     
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    1146:

    The government will meet the cost of any legitimate compensation claims, Mr Cameron says, adding that the time limit for applying for this will be increase from 14 to 42 days.

     
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    1146:

    A \u00a310m recovery scheme will be set up for councils to make areas safe and clean again, MPs are told.

     
  58.  
    1147:

    Businesses affected by looting will be given some leeway on tax payments, Mr Cameron says.

     
  59.  
    1147: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    The first announcement of substance on facemasks -police already had discretion to use water cannon

     
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    1147:

    Those who caused the unrest must suffer the consequences, the PM says. But he refers to a wider context of irresponsibility and bad parenting. The benefits system must reward work and there must be more discipline in schools, he adds.

     
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    1148:

    Gangs have blighted life on estates, Mr Cameron says. He argues that successful anti-gang schemes in places such as Boston in the US must be emulated.

     
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    1149:

    Local authorities should work to evict those guilty of gang-related crime from council homes, Mr Cameron says.

     
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    1149:

    Opportunists who stole from damaged shops must face justice, the PM says.

     
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    1150:

    Mr Cameron praises those who have cleaned up streets and patrolled areas to keep them safe. The government is "on your side", he adds.

     
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    1151:

    The rioters will "pay for what you have done", the PM warns. The "broken society" will be addressed.

     
  66.  
    1151:

    Ahead of the London Olympics next year, Britain will show the world that it is fighting back and "looking forward", Mr Cameron says. He concludes his statement.

     
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    1152:

    Labour leader Ed Miliband says there are "no excuses" for the recent disorder.

     
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    1152:

    As MPs speak in the Commons, arrests continue across the country. In Hastings, a 27-year-old man is remanded in custody, accused of posting Facebook messages inciting criminal damage.Two men from Lancashire have also been charged over Facebook messages and two teenagers in Essex are due in court charged with using social networking sites to incite others to commit violence.

     
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    1153:

    Back to the Commons: Mr Miliband thanks the emergency services for their efforts, adding that a "degree of order" has been restored by them.

     
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    1154: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    The Labour leader opens on a consensual note and condemns those responsible for the disturbances but expect a degree of criticism to follow - especially over cuts in police budgets.

     
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    1155:

    People crave "normality" and the ability to live their lives without fear, the Labour leader says.

     
  72.  
    1155:

    Mr Miliband asks the PM what role, if any, the Army could have in helping police.

     
  73.  
    1155:

    The public think it is "not right" to go ahead with police spending cuts at the moment, Mr Miliband tells MPs.

     
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    1156: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    The real battle for the politicians is ensuring the solutions to the crisis fit their wider world view: Ed Miliband has given two speeches, not extensively reported, on "responsibility" well before the riots - he is likely to return to that theme now.

     
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    1157:

    The Labour leader praises the "heroism" of volunteers who are helping to restore city centres to their normal state.

     
  76.  
    1157: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    Ed Miliband attempting to position himself to the right of the PM on some issues - tougher sentences, more police, CCTV

     
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    1158:

    Mr Miliband asks Mr Cameron to look at the deeper causes of "wanton vandalism and looting". These are "complex" and communities must be consulted, he adds.

     
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    1158:

    A full inquiry must be held - "reaching out and listening" to those affected by the disorder - the Labour leader argues.

     
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    1201:

    Politicians have a responsibility to the "vast majority of law-abiding young people", who should be allowed to feel they will "do better" than their parents, Mr Miliband says.

     
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    1201:

    Once order is restored, the country "cannot afford to move on and forget" what has happened, Mr Miliband says. Labour will play its part in helping the government, he adds, ending his response to the prime minister's statement.

     
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    1159: Via Email

    John Taylor writes on our wall: Will an MP advise that we need to scrap community wardens and have a state police force similar to the gendarmerie in France? What with the expected police cuts I think training our military to be charged with police duties among civilian populations is a good option. Used for civil unrest, to help police city centres at the weekend, and learn skills to transfer back to the army. A better use of taxpayers money methinks.

     
  82.  
    1203: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    Ed Miliband pushes on whether the Treasury or existing budgets take a financial hit - under The Riot Act the police are responsible

     
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    1204:

    David Cameron says no-one wants a break with the "great British model of policing", but the government must look at improving future contingency plans and using the army in some roles such as "simple guarding tasks" to free up police officers.

     
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    1204:

    The PM says the government is looking for cash reductions over the next four years which are "totally achievable" without hitting frontline services. There is shouting from the Labour back benches.

     
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    1205:

    The surges in police numbers in recent days will still be possible after spending cuts, Mr Cameron insists.

     
  86.  
    1205: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    Consensual atmosphere broken now in the Commons as the PM is barracked over police cuts - not much vocal support from his own benches on this.

     
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    1206:

    "Moral failures" cannot be solved by a "wall of money", the PM says.

     
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    1206:

    Mr Cameron says he hopes "cross-party" working will continue.

     
  89.  
    1206: David in South Wales

    texts: Sadly the prime minister is missing many key points. He is very good on reactive measures but lacks any substance at all on seeking to be proactive in addressing the real issues.

     
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    1207:

    Veteran Conservative MP Sir Peter Tapsell - the Father of the House - asks if Wembley Stadium will be made available to round-up those caught rioting. Mr Cameron says he would prefer the venue to be used for sporting events.

     
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    1208:

    The family of Mark Duggan, who was shot dead last week by police in Tottenham - the area where the riots began - are having a second post-mortem examination, it has emerged. The family are said to want to ensure they have their own report of how Mr Duggan met his death.

     
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    1209:

    David Lammy, Labour MP for Tottenham, where the riots began, says 45 people have lost their homes in his constituency. Their cry is "where were the police?" he says. He urges the PM to visit. Mr Cameron says he will take up the invitation.

     
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    1210:

    Police accept they "hung back for too long" when the unrest began in Tottenham on Saturday, Mr Cameron says.

     
  94.  
    1212: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    David Lammy's area was the first to be affected by riots but the criticism of the police is likely to be repeated by other politicians across the House.

     
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    1214:

    Labour's former Home Secretary Jack Straw says the government must stop "ludicrous" plans to close prisons and argues against police cuts. Mr Cameron says frontline officer numbers will not be reduced.

     
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    1214:

    Senior Tory MP Sir Malcolm Rifkind claims police officers were instructed to "stand and observe" rioting, which is "not acceptable". He calls for fresh guidelines. The PM says there was no instruction to stand back but the balance between keeping public order and stopping criminality was not achieved. Police are facing "new circumstances", he adds.

     
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    1215:

    Labour MP Hazel Blears says violence in her Salford constituency was sheer criminality and that some officers did not have the equipment to tackle rioters. Mr Cameron agrees the situation was not acceptable and that Greater Manchester Police is learning lessons.

     
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    1216:

    David Cameron tells MPs there were no instructions to police to "stand back" but he said that police chiefs had been frank "that the balance between what is right for public order and what is right for stopping criminality... That balance was not got right to start with".

     
  99.  
    1216: Colin Moran in London

    emails: I am intrigued to know if David Cameron would still hug a hoodie.

     
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    1217:

    Conservative MP David Davis, a former shadow home secretary, says there is a risk that "evil-minded people" will use recent disorder to raise ethnic tensions. Mr Cameron says the scenes of communities coming together overnight in Birmingham are a "model" for the country to follow.

     
  101.  
    1218: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    Key message so far from the prime minister which highlights his whole strategy - this is about responsibility not resources. He wants the focus to remain on criminality not cuts.

     
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    1218:

    The PM says police need the ability to "surge" the number of officers on duty quickly.

     
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    1219:

    Nick de Bois, Tory MP for Enfield North, scene of riots earlier this week, says police should work with education authorities to identify the children involved in looting. The PM agrees but adds that parents should take more responsibility too.

     
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    1219:
    David Lammy

    Among those MPs making a contribution in the Commons is Tottenham MP David Lammy - he suggested the PM come and visit his constitutency, where trouble started on Saturday, to hear from the victims himself.

     
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    1222:

    Veteran Labour MP Sir Gerald Kaufman calls for "positive policies" to "reclaim" wrongdoers for society. The PM says too many people have been left for too long and there must be earlier intervention to prevent youthful criminality.

     
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    1223:

    Tory MP Nadine Dorries asks if the ability to use water cannon at 24 hours' notice - as the government has promised - is enough. The MP replies that water cannon would not have been appropriate to deal with the small, mobile crowds.

     
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    1224:

    Police in London came close to using baton rounds against rioters, Mr Cameron reveals.

     
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    1224:

    Labour's Keith Vaz, chairman of the home affairs committee, asks about costs of extra policing. The Treasury will "stand behind" the Met and other forces, the PM says.

     
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    1225:

    Mr Cameron urges people to report neighbours who have acquired goods through looting to report them to police so they can be "nicked".

     
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    1226:

    Labour MP Louise Ellman asks what will be done to help her own city of Liverpool, and other riot scenes, to recover. Full details of schemes will be released later today, the PM replies.

     
  111.  
    1227:

    Labour's former Foreign Secretary David Miliband asks why the PM wants to intrudoce elections for chief constables, if they are doing such a good job. The PM responds that government policy is to ask police commissioners - not chief constables - to seek election.

     
  112.  
    Anonymous

    texts: I work as a member of police staff. Due to the current staff cuts, thousands of police staff are losing their jobs which are being filled by police officers who are in turn being taken off the streets. Mr Cameron needs to wake up because things could get worse as more police officers are taken off the streets.

     
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    1231:

    David Davies, Tory MP for Monmouth, says the House must support police who use batons, as "force must be met with greater force". Mr Cameron answers that a "very robust response" is needed.

     
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    1232:

    Gavin Barwell, Tory MP for Croydon Central, scene of riots on Monday night, argues that increased police presence on the streets must be permanent. The PM says lessons are being learned over officer numbers.

     
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    1232:

    DUP MP Jeffrey Donaldson says Northern Ireland police should be asked to share their expertise in dealing with riots. The PM replies that the English situation was not "political activity" but "looting by gangs".

     
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    1233:

    Senior Tory MP Edward Leigh calls for a married couples' tax allowance to increase family stability. Mr Cameron says policy should be directed at enhancing parental responsibility.

     
  117.  
    1236:

    Plaid Cymru's Elfyn Llywd asks whether the state of the economy helped cause the riots. Mr Cameron says he does not believe in such "determinism", arguing that looting must be treated as a crime.

     
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    1237:

    Diane Abbott, Labour MP for Hackney North and Stoke Newington, scene of some the worsrt rioting, warns against "further militarisation of the situation" - that is, bringing the Army in to help police. She says this would only make matters worse. Mr Cameron agrees now is not the time for such action, but adds that contingencies must be in place.

     
  119.  
    Jon in Reading

    texts: When did we arrive at a society where honest, law-abiding adults are afraid on a daily basis of a minority of children and teenagers who are disrespectful, aggressive and lawless? This is not just during the recent riots, but in our daily lives and local communities at bus stops, in parks and on street corners. This would have been unthinkable a generation ago.

     
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    1241:

    Tory Roger Gale says magistrates' courts must be given greater sentencing powers, reducing the need to send extreme cases on to Crown Court before rioters are jailed. But Mr Cameron replies that, instead, Crown Court capacity must be maximised to increase the speed at which justice is done.

     
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    1242:

    Labour's Malcolm Wicks, MP for Croydon North, says people want more police and that cuts would be "the wrong policy at the wrong time". The PM says the problem on recent nights was not "police budgets in four years' time" but the number of officers on duty when the violence flared.

     
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    1242:

    Tory MP Andrew Rosindell says police must focus on being "crime-fighters rather than social workers". The PM says police must be robust and visible.

     
  123.  
    1242:
    MPs in riot debate

    Lots of MPs are getting to their feet - keen to catch the Speaker's eye to be called to speak. Several MPs have spoken about the anger of their constituents about the lack of police.

     
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    1245:

    Conservative MP Margot James, from Stourbridge in the West Midlands, warns against a "knee-jerk reaction" against police budget cuts. The PM agrees, saying it is important to "get the most" out of the money spent.

     
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    Virendra Sharma, Labour MP for Ealing Southall, asks the PM to meet community leaders in his constituency, where local people protected places of worship against rioters. Mr Cameron pays tribute to those involved.

     
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    1249:

    Former Tory cabinet minister Peter Lilley says society as a whole, and the police, must "live within their means". It is possible to improve services while making savings he adds. Mr Cameron agrees.

     
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    1250:

    Labour's Kate Hoey, MP for Vauxhall in South London, says gangs in some areas are acting as de facto parents to impressionable children. Mr Cameron responds that there is "no one single answer" to the culture but promises to work to break it.

     
  129.  
    1251: Dan in Oxford

    texts: The riots weren't the product of gangs. It was a collective of youths who are led to believe that gang culture is a righteous way of life. These individuals don't belong to gangs, but aspire to be!

     
  130.  
    David in Aberdeen

    texts: Rioters on dole get 80% of rent paid? Moving them from cheap social housing to expensive private lets will increase burden on the taxpayer.

     
  131.  
    1252:

    Communities Secretary Eric Pickles has confirmed he is proposing changes to legislation that could see tenants being evicted from social housing if they commit anti-social behaviour outside their local area - this will go out to consultation. Housing Minister Grant Shapps confirmed the news to the BBC earlier

     
  132.  
    1253:

    Lib Dem MP Sir Robert Smith says tax collectors must not penalise businesses looted businesses making late returns. Mr Cameron confirms that some delays will be allowed.

     
  133.  
    1254:

    Tory Andrea Leadsom asks if police can spray indelible dye on rioters, to make it more possible to round them up. All possible technologies are being looked at, the PM replies.

     
  134.  
    1255:

    Mr Cameron says a "complete fiscal car crash" is the reason for police budgets being cut.

     
  135.  
    1257:

    They are also debating the riots in the House of Lords at the moment. Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams told peers the loss of "hope and confidence" among the public was perhaps the most serious long-term consequence of recent events.

     
  136.  
    1258:

    Labour's Alun Michael says a full report into the causes of the rioting is needed. Mr Cameron says the events are still continuing, making it the wrong time to make such a call. An inquiry is not needed to tell MPs that the riots were "common-or-garden" criminality, he adds.

     
  137.  
    1259:

    Labour's Gisela Stuart, who represents a Birmingham constituency, asks what is being done to ensure prison capacity is sufficient to deal with the aftermath of the riots. The PM says he has been assured that the capacity is there.

     
  138.  
    1300:

    Over in the Lords, The Archbishop of Canterbury says education itself needs to be rebuilt, as the building of "character" and "virtue" has faded over the past two decades. He says there are no "quick answers", but it's not just about discipline but about the ethos of educational institutions.

     
  139.  
    1303:

    Labour MP Tom Watson says traders in his West Bromwich constituency fear the emergence of a "new class" of criminal - self-organising gangs enabled by mobile phone messaging. He calls for planned cuts of 1,000 uniformed police officers in the area to be reversed.

     
  140.  
    Wes Streeting, Chief Executive of educational charity the Helena Kennedy Foundation, Labour councillor in London's Redbridge and former President of the NUS

    tweets: Tories need to sort out Police numbers. Cameron says it's not the issue. Johnson says we need more. I agree with Johnson, but can he get \u00a3?

     
  141.  
    1304:

    Labour's Mike Gapes says the vast majority of young people are law-abiding and are in fear. Mr Cameron says most of this age group are "brilliant" people.

     
  142.  
    1305:

    A 68-year-old man who is critically ill after violent disorder in Ealing, west London, on Monday is named by police as Richard Mannington Bowes.

     
  143.  
    1307:

    For those who missed the start of the Commons debate. Here's David Cameron's opening statement in full

     
  144.  
    1310:

    Lib Dem Julian Huppert says police and others are using social media for good reasons and "clamping down" on networks could have serious effects. Mr Cameron responds that many of the rioters used closed networks, such as Blackberry, to organise their activities and this has to be looked at.

     
  145.  
    1310:

    Labour's Chuka Umunna warns that some are seeking to "racialise" the riots. Mr Cameron agrees the disorder "wasn't about race, but crime".

     
  146.  
    1311:

    Conservative Tobias Ellwood says police should be able to close down mobile phone masts, if mobs are using Twitter and other social networks to co-ordinate trouble. Mr Cameron says it is important that forces get the political support they need.

     
  147.  
    Carol in London

    emails: Cameron is adamant and resistent to any suggestions, appeals to reconsider the proposed cuts to the police budget. I would like to propose that the MPs take a 6% cut to their salaries in order to save money and then live within their means. What planet is the coalition party on!!!

     
  148.  
    Beth in Reading

    texts: The riots are an embarrassment to our country but also a wake up call. Does this mean the PM will start putting a full focus in this country now, rather than helping other countries out? There are many factors as to why the riots happened and it needs a plan put in place to ensure it doesn't happen again. Remove benefits from those convicted. If you have to remove their council housing, put in place a system that ensures they will not be homeless.

     
  149.  
    Anonymous

    texts: What does Cameron expect when his government is repressing the people. Because of his cuts our young have no hope, no jobs, no decent housing, no prospects. This is not the end to the rioters because the government refuses to admit they are at fault keeping the people down.

     
  150.  
    1313:

    Labour's Catherine McKinnell urges the PM to make sure there are extra provisions to ensure victims of rioting are compensated. Mr Cameron promises to deal with "bottlenecks" in the justice system.

     
  151.  
    Claire in London

    texts: I think everyone arrested should be charged with incitement; their presence suggests a form of this. Everyone arrested should be tagged for a significant time and made to work at rebuiding the communities they have destroyed.

     
  152.  
    1316:

    Labour's Gerry Sutcliffe, a former sports minister, asks if it is right to postpone football matches in London, as has happened with Tottenham's game with Everton on Saturday. Mr Cameron says other contests should go ahead, but perhaps starting earlier in the day than previously planned to help police deal with potential unrest at night more easily.

     
  153.  
    Carole Andrews in Redditch

    emails: I agree with David Cameron that most young people are great. However I teach in a Pupil Referral Unit for youngsters excluded from school and see at first hand the lack of parental authority and care. This is the saddest aspect of all this and these youngsters have no role model and therefore no feeling that what they do is wrong. We try hard to change this and talk about right and wrong but it is difficult to make a difference. I think being soft with the youngsters is wrong you have to be firm, but fair. This minority must be made to understand that they can not get away with this intimidation.

     
  154.  
    1318:

    In response to a question on policing from Labour's Robert Flello, Mr Cameron jokes that the MP - in shirt-sleeves - appears to have had his jacket stolen. Speaker John Bercow intervenes, asking the whole House to "rise to the level of events".

     
  155.  
    James in Manchester

    texts: Instead of removing housing from rioters and their families, which could lead to further unrest, why not look at the options to remove free health care entitlements. Free NHS care should be earned.

     
  156.  
    1321:

    A Greater Manchester Police officer has told BBC Radio Manchester that his Tactical Aid Unit is ill equipped to deal with riots in the city. Inspector Bob Cantrell has also revealed the equipment used to deal with rioters and vandals on Tuesday night was 17-years-old and not fit for purpose.

     
  157.  
    1322:

    Inspector Cantrell also claims that the force was slow to respond when gangs of youths ran rife around Salford on Tuesday night.

     
  158.  
    1323:

    Back to the Commons, where Tory MP David Burrowes says police must be freed from a "risk-averse" culture to speed up justice. Mr Cameron replies that measures to achieve this are under way.

     
  159.  
    1324:

    Mr Cameron describes the "broom army" which helped clean up streets in Clapham, South London, and elsewhere are "the best of British".

     
  160.  
    Michael White, assistant editor at The Guardian

    tweets: Cameron mostly being consensual which is wise because all sorts of voters are watching and disagreement over causes runs deep.

     
  161.  
    1326: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    The government says it will "stand behind" police authorities which might face compensation claims under existing riot legislation.

     
  162.  
    1327: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    The money will come initially from the Home Office budget - but with no estimate yet for the total cost. If necessary, funds could be provided from the Treasury reserve, Downing Street says, but it will not come from indvidual police bugets.

     
  163.  
    1328:

    Labour MP Clive Efford claims extremist groups in Eltham, south-east London, are trying to stir up racial tensions. The PM says no part of society is "sicker" than the English Defence League.

     
  164.  
    1331: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    The government is exploring with the intelligence services and with phone providers whether it is both right and possible to disrupt or turn off social networks - such as twitter and text messages - if a disturbance appears likely.

     
  165.  
    1332: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    I understand the Lib Dems within the coalition are very sceptical about the civil rights and other implications of disrupting social media networks so even if technically possible, it may not become government policy.

     
  166.  
    Phil Wilson, Labour MP for Sedgefield

    tweets: Social media not the prob. In Middle East it's used 2 bring down dictators here its used 2 coordinate looting. Its the users not the medium.

     
  167.  
    1334:

    As the Commons debate continues, Mr Cameron says he wants a country where "opportunity is more equal" but reiterates that there is no excuse for breaking the law.

     
  168.  
    1335:

    Two hours after Mr Cameron began his statement, he's still taking questions and there are plenty of MPs who want to have their say.

     
  169.  
    1335:

    Labour MP John Robertson raises questions about plans for CCTV in the Protection of Freedom Bill, currently making its way through Parliament - Mr Cameron does not accept that they mean local councils will not be able to put up more cameras.

     
  170.  
    1336:

    Another dig at the coalition's plans for CCTV - which has captured the faces of many looters and rioters. Labour MP Dave Watts suggests the PM doesn't know if he wants more or less CCTV - Mr Cameron says he wants the cameras in the right places.

     
  171.  
    1337: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    The government is asking the police if they need any further powers. Extending gang injunctions to children will require new legislation.

     
  172.  
    1338:

    There is as yet no legal definition of "child". A new power to allow police on the beat to strip potential rioters of face masks will also need legislation in the autumn.

     
  173.  
    1341: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    Powers to remove face masks are currently limited and their use authorised by a police officer at inspector level or above. Under the government's proposals it would be an offence not to remove a mask when requested by any police officer - but hoodies will not be banned.

     
  174.  
    1343:

    There have been quite a few questions from MPs about social media, which was apparently used to organise some of the riots. Mr Cameron says those who use it for "evil purposes" should be prosecuted.

     
  175.  
    1344:

    Tom Brake - a Lib Dem MP - questions the need for elected police commissioners, and the cost involved in setting up the system. Mr Cameron says they will increase accountability.

     
  176.  
    1345: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    Lib Dem sources tell me there is "absolute coalition unity" on reducing police budgets - the cuts won't be reversed.

     
  177.  
    1350:

    Labour Greenwich MP Nick Raynsford says Conservative Mayor of London Boris Johnson had made clear there was an overwhelming case to reconsider police cuts - Mr Cameron does not accept they can't get better value for money and cut down on police paperwork. Labour is "intellectually idle" on the subject, he suggests.

     
  178.  
    1352:

    To sum up events from the Commons so far, Labour MPs have focused their questions mainly on police cuts - but parental responsibility has also being quite widely discussed.

     
  179.  
    1354:

    David Cameron has stuck to his position that the riots were criminal, not political, acts and should be dealt with as such. The atmosphere has been pretty subdued, with little of the yah-boo stuff we sometimes see in the Commons.

     
  180.  
    Stephen in Wallsend

    emails: If mobile networks are closed down those innocent people caught up in the trouble will be unable to communicate to get assistance or even assist the police in resolving issues. Closing off mobile networks is not the solution it will just add to the confusion and isolate innocent people during events like we've had this week.

     
  181.  
    1356:

    Labour's Chris Bryant commends the PM for not wanting to "send in the troops" to help police, but adds that police numbers must be maintained. The PM replies that Labour is "hopeless" in not wanting to bring in any reforms to save money.

     
  182.  
    1357:

    Labour MP Natascha Engel brings up the most popular e-petition on the government's site at the moment - calling for rioters to lose their benefits.

     
  183.  
    1358:

    The petition has "raised expectations" that something will happen, says the Labour MP.

     
  184.  
    1359:

    David Cameron says the issue will be debated by MPs if signatures reach a certain level "whether we like it or not".

     
  185.  
    Radek in London

    emails: On behalf of all the Polish builders working in London I would like to thank the rioters for creating so much work for restoration of the damages. Thanks to you, the children in Poland will have amazing Christmas!

     
  186.  
    Stacey in Canterbury

    emails: I agree with Claire from London, part of the punishment for people charged should be to learn what impact their actions had on their community. Make them rebuild local shops, clean up their streets and rebuild the homes of those they destroyed. Perhaps then they will feel remorse for what damage they have caused to this society.

     
  187.  
    1403:

    Tory MP Jo Johnson - younger brother of London mayor Boris - pays tribute to special constables who helped deal with the violence, but adds that some found it difficult to get permission from their employers to do so. Mr Cameron urges such firms to show "social responsibility".

     
  188.  
    1406:

    Lib Dem Tessa Munt says the media have a responsibility to report any criminality they witness to the police. Mr Cameron agrees press and broadcasters have a duty to do so.

     
  189.  
    1406:

    Mr Cameron says it is "appalling and unforgivable" that people have attacked firefighters and any court will want to give an "exemplary sentence" to anyone who has done so.

     
  190.  
    1406:

    Greg Hands, Tory MP for Chelsea and Fulham, says lessons can be learned from "excellent" beat policing in the US.

     
  191.  
    1407:

    Labour's Fiona Mataggart asks for a regular report to Parliament about how many police are available at any time, including the number who are riot-trained. Mr Cameron agrees with the suggestion.

     
  192.  
    Nick in Sheffield

    texts: I suggest those responsible with causing criminal damage and fear within communities should be enlisted to serve six months in Afghanistan. I'm sure such a prospect would deter the majority from taking part in such mindless acts.

     
  193.  
    1410:

    Justice Secretary Ken Clarke has warned against a push for new sentencing powers in the wake of the riots. He told BBC Radio 4 the existing system was working and cautioned against knee-jerk reactions to shocking events.

     
  194.  
    1413:

    We are coming up to three hours of debate following David Cameron's statement - and MPs are still going strong, with many still straining to catch the Speaker's eye.

     
  195.  
    1414:

    George Osborne's statement on the economy has been severely delayed - and don't forget that will be followed by a statement on the riots by Home Secretary Theresa May and a debate, which is likely to last until 1900 BST.

     
  196.  
    1417:

    Tory MP Mark Pawsey calls for help for owners of damaged vehicles who only have third-party insurance. Mr Cameron replies that uninsured businesses affected by the riots are getting help.

     
  197.  
    1418:

    Tory MP Bob Stewart calls for the Independent Police Complaints Commission to make a "definitive statement" on the death of Mark Duggan in Tottenham last week as quickly as possible. The PM says the IPCC must get to the bottom of the incident before doing so.

     
  198.  
    1421:

    Policing has to be updated and "refreshed", with chief constables given the political authority to do this work, Mr Cameron tells MPs.

     
  199.  
    1421:

    The debate over the prime minister's statement is over - after almost three hours. Speaker John Bercow thanks the 160 MPs who have taken part.

     
  200.  
    1422:

    Now Chancellor George Osborne is updating the Commons on the state of the global economy. Britain is "not immune to market movements", he says.

     
  201.  
    1422:

    The market for UK government bonds has benefited from concerns elsewhere, Mr Osborne says.

     
  202.  
    1423:

    The chancellor condemns the "reckless folly" of those criticising the coalition's cuts programme.

     
  203.  
    1425:

    The main focus of this page will be the riots, with Theresa May's statement and the debate due later. But we will also sum up what the chancellor has to say.

     
  204.  
    David in Purley, Croydon

    texts: In answer to Nick from Sheffield, why do you think the army would want these useless louts? Lock these criminals up - they are a danger to the public.

     
  205.  
    1429: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    The prime minister was under pressure at the beginning of the week to make a series of statements on his return from holiday. Now - after putting in the hard graft of speaking and answering questions for nearly three hours in a packed Commons chamber - that criticism has receded.

     
  206.  
    Mike

    texts: Who would want to be a policeman in this country? Dammed if you do and dammed if you dont. They are facing violent people - their hands need to be free to fight fire with fire. This nation has become so liberal and politically-correct that you have given these elements an engraved invitation to do what they do.

     
  207.  
    1431: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    The Commons benches remain nearly full as MPs listen to the last of the prominent politicians to come home from holiday - the Chancellor. But it does feel bizarre that what would normally be a huge story - global economic difficulties and sluggish growth in the UK- feels like a footnote. But for the riots, Parliament would not have been recalled to debate this issue.

     
  208.  
    Jean in London

    emails: Don't lay all the blame on gangs and youth culture. Plenty of so-called professionals got involved in the free-for-all. The deeper causes lie in our greedy materialistic society, and nothing will be improved by demonising the kids.

     
  209.  
    Maggi Cook in Ashford, Kent

    emails: Working with Young Offenders I know only too well at grass roots level how many of these youngsters get into trouble. On the whole they do not grow up in what most of us call a "normal" environment.

     
  210.  
    1438:

    A snippet from Westminster magistrates court: Lawyer Rajinder Claire, who is representing several alleged rioters, has said defendants who would normally be released on bail were being remanded in custody.

     
  211.  
    1439:

    Speaking outside court, Mr Claire said the bench's decisions seemed to be politically-motivated, adding: "I would fully expect many of these people to come back before the court in a week and be released on bail."

     
  212.  
    Graeme Forrest in Falkirk, Scotland

    emails: The thought of social networks being disabled by the government or security services sickens me. Yes, they have been used to coordinate these riots, but it stinks of stifling free speech. We are better than that.

     
  213.  
    1447:

    As promised, here is an update on George Osborne's statement: The chancellor has conceded Britain's economic recovery will be "longer and harder" than hoped amid renewed turmoil on global markets.

     
  214.  
    1449:

    The coalition's efforts to tackle the deficit have made the UK a "safe haven" for investors, but the country was not "immune" to the international economic "storm," said the chancellor.

     
  215.  
    Gavin in London

    emails: I'd love to know what is the point of arresting these looters and vandals and processing them through the courts when most get off with non-custodial sentences, cautions or small fines? It's a complete waste of time and of taxpayers money. If we aren't going to punish these people appropriately, irrespective of age, then we aren't going to see any improvement in their behaviour. At least give them large community service orders to make them clean up the damage they have caused.

     
  216.  
    Chantelle Mitchell

    tweets: I am sick of us young people being tarred with the same brush! The majority of us are disgusted by the acts of this week!

     
  217.  
    1503:

    In the next few minutes the Premier League will announce that the remaining 9 matches planned for this weekend will go ahead, writes the BBC's sports news correspondent Dan Rowan. Only Spurs vs Everton postponed.

     
  218.  
    An acting police officer

    texts: Mr Cameron and Mr Clegg are living in fantasy land if they think Police cuts will have no effect on visible Police presence. As an acting Police Officer I can honestly say that the cuts are already affecting visible Police presence.

     
  219.  
    1513:

    Lib Dem MP John Hemming tells the BBC News Channel his constituents in Birmingham feel the government is standing behind them.

     
  220.  
    Wayne in Sheffield

    Tough sentences for rioters and looters? I'll believe it when I see it. They need to throw the book at them and make a clear example of what happens if you act like an animal.

     
  221.  
    1519:

    Eighteen Labour MPs asked the PM about police cuts. Among the best-known were Jack Straw, Tom Watson, Chris Bryant, David Winnick and Pat McFadden. Only one other MP asked about the cuts: Plaid Cymru's Elfyn Llywd.

     
  222.  
    1524:

    The Federation of Small Businesses welcomes the government's announcement of later tax-payment deadlines for firms affected by the rioting. Chairman John Walker adds: At this time, it is also vital that people keep trade local to support their communities so that businesses can get up and running again."

     
  223.  
    1527:

    Following the postponement of the Tottenham v Everton clash on Saturday, the Premier League announces that all other games this weekend will go ahead as scheduled.

     
  224.  
    1530:

    The Premier League says "all efforts were made to try and facilitate the Tottenham Hotspur v Everton match" but "the situation on the Tottenham High Road proved too difficult to overcome".

     
  225.  
    1535:

    Police raided an address in Pimlico, central London, earlier as part of the operation to recover goods stolen during recent looting. Here they are preparing to go into action.

    Police on raid in Pimlico
     
  226.  
    1539:

    David Cameron has said bringing in the Army to help police is not part of the government's immediate plans. But here's a picture of the PM's parliamentary private secretary - Tory MP and Territorial Army member Desmond Swayne - leaving Downing Street earlier, after attending a cabinet meeting.

    Desmond Swayne
     
  227.  
    1543:

    The main Commons debate on public order begins, with Home Secretary Theresa May describing the last few days as a "dark time".

     
  228.  
    1548:

    The "only cause of a crime is a criminal", the home secretary tells MPs. But Labour's Alun Michael intervenes to say every crime "has a context".

     
  229.  
    1548:

    MPs murmur the word "outrageous" as Mrs May mentions a teaching assistant accused of looting.

     
  230.  
    1548:

    The home secretary says there are "no easy answers" but adds that reform of schools and social services "cannot wait".

     
  231.  
    Marc from Pembrokeshire

    The e-petition has almost hit 100,000 signatures, I think taking the rioters benefits could teach them a lesson but consider the possible backlash. It's more likely that without benefits that the rioters will cause more trouble which then the police and the courts must deal with which will cost the tax payer more than if we'd paid the benefits. Tougher sentences is a better way to go.

     
  232.  
    1552:

    Labour MP Keith Vaz, chairman of the home affairs committee, asks if police forces will be recompensed for extra spending to cope with the rioting. Mrs May says the government is providing support.

     
  233.  
    1553:

    Mrs May says some officers in Salford, Greater Manchester, had to retreat at some points during rioting for their own safety.

     
  234.  
    1555:

    Mrs May says the violence raises "many searching questions".

     
  235.  
    1556:

    The home secretary says the average age of a first conviction for a gang member is 15.

     
  236.  
    1559: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    Theresa May makes clear that even if no one is charged with rioting - but with, say, burglary instead - victims of the disturbances will still be eligible to ask for compensation under the Riots Damages Act from their police authority. The government has also made it clear that the Home Office or the Treasury will in turn compensate the police authority.

     
  237.  
    1602:

    Labour's Hazel Blears says there is a "finite limit" to what police can do to improve the situation with spending cuts being made.

     
  238.  
    1604:

    Conservative MP Bill Cash says the legal restraints placed on teachers and social services in dealing with young people demonstrate the need to repeal the Human Rights Act.

     
  239.  

    Mandy Krebs writes on our BBC News Facebook wall: I have been in 18 foster homes and come from a unsettled backround but I don't go round rioting.

     
  240.  
    1607: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    The home secretary underlines that gang injunctions will apply across England not just in specific areas and that these will apply to under 18s - but its not clear the minimum age at which the legislation will apply.

     
  241.  
    1608: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    It had been intended to 'pilot' this approach to 14-17 year olds but downing st sources say it hasn't been decided yet if this should apply to younger children.

     
  242.  
    1610:

    On the police response to the unrest, Mrs May says officers have become "tougher" and "more robust".

     
  243.  
    1610:

    Order has "in large part been restored", the home secretary tells MPs.

     
  244.  
    1611:

    Coverage of looting in Tottenham on Sunday morning "gave the green light" to hooligans across London to do the same, Diane Abbott, Labour MP for Hackney North and Stoke Newington, says.

     
  245.  
    1614: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    Hazel Blears, the former home office minister, raised police cuts a few minutes ago - at a rough count the 20th Labour MP to do so this afternoon; this is the main point of division between government and opposition.

     
  246.  
    1616:

    So, who exactly has been rioting? Here's a fascinating snapshot of defendants appearing at one London magistrate's court - 95% of them are male, 69% aged 24 and under

     
  247.  
    1619:

    The police made it clear to the home secretary that they did nor want to use water cannon or rubber bullets, Mrs May tells the Commons.

     
  248.  
    1620:

    Mrs May says the 6,000 officers used on Monday night is roughly the same number the Met employs to handle the Notting Hill carnival.

     
  249.  
    1622: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    Theresa May says she is criticising police tactics, not the police! But she does admit there is a dilemma - when deciding how robust to be, the police are "damned if they do, damned if they don't".

     
  250.  
    1622:

    There can be "no liberty without order", the home secretary says. "The tide is turning because communities up and down the country have said 'enough is enough'," she adds.

     
  251.  
    1623:

    The country owes the police a debt of gratitude, Mrs May says, concluding her statement.

     
  252.  
    1624:

    For Labour, shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper says once "proud" city-centre traders are now "scared to walk out of their front doors".

     
  253.  
    1627: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    More on social networks: The home secretary admitted it's not an "open and shut" case when deciding how to disrupt or shut them down. The Lib Dems are sceptical and backbench Tory MP Tracey Crouch pointed out that the police can use such sites to their advantage in intelligence gathering.

     
  254.  
    1628:

    Yvette Cooper praises people reporting to police that "the neighbour has suddenly got three new tellies".

     
  255.  
    Columnist and broadcaster, Kevin Maguire

    tweets: Marathon Man: Cameron's 165 mins taking Qs in Commons is longest run by a PM since, ahem, July 20. He did 189 mins on hacking!

     
  256.  
    Kim in Chorley, Lancashire

    emails: As a teacher I believe it's our responsibility to punish severely this sort of behaviour. We are not helping our young people to develop if we don't. Is a \u00a360 fine adequate for the harassment and fear caused to law-abiding citizens?

     
  257.  
    1631:

    Yvette Cooper tells MPs the government cannot allow the atmosphere to "simmer" until more trouble erupts, but must deal with the situation in inner-cities immediately.

     
  258.  
    1632:

    Ms Cooper says the government is trying to introduce "additional layers of bureaucracy" for councils wanting to use more CCTV, arguing that this must not happen.

     
  259.  
    1634: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    Yvette Cooper doesn't dissociate herself from Ken Livingstone and denies he blamed the government for the riots. Had she of course distanced herself that no doubt would be used by Mr Livingstone's opponents in next year's election for London Mayor.

     
  260.  
    1637:
    Theresa May

    Here's a quick snap of Home Secretary Theresa May - who has been taking MPs' questions in the Commons. She is joined on the front bench by Education Secretary Michael Gove - David Cameron, who was on his feet for MPs' questions for three hours earlier, is not in the chamber.

     
  261.  
    1640:

    Yvette Cooper says the Met's deployment of 16,000 officers on Tuesday and Wednesday worked, but cost millions of pounds. The government must give some clarity about where the money is coming from, she adds.

     
  262.  
    Alex in London

    texts: In my experience of stop and search in London, the Police are totally disrespectful and heavy handed. This is unnecessary and idiotic - if you show no respect you will get no respect. Police need better training in dealing with innocent people.

     
  263.  
    1643:

    Yvette Cooper challenges the home secretary to "clarify" the situation on funding for the extra policing, accusing her and the prime minister of contradicting one another. High spirits on the Labour benches, but Mrs May does not respond to the comments.

     
  264.  
    1646:

    Government spending cuts mean 16,000 police are to go, Ms Cooper says.

     
  265.  
    1647: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    Hilarity in the House when Keith Vaz, chairman of the backbench home affairs committee, tries to clarify the question of costs on behalf of the home secretary. Yvetter Cooper says he would make a good home secretary, somewhat undermining her own credentials. Mr Vaz stands up as though ready to take a seat on the frontbench.

     
  266.  
    1649:

    For those who'd like a quick break from the Commons debate, our picture editor Phil Coomes has been looking at the photo of the Clapham Junction clean-up that became an internet sensation.

     
  267.  
    1651: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    Yvette Cooper - like her leader Ed Miliband earlier - has moved from consensus to questions on costs to now, cuts. Budget reductions go too far and too fast she says.

     
  268.  
    1652:

    Theresa May gets to her feet to address the issue of police cuts. She asks whether the opposition will issue a guarantee on police numbers or not. Ms Cooper says Labour's planned spending cuts were lower than those proposed by the coalition, allowing the number of officers to be sustained.

     
  269.  
    1653:

    The government should call a halt to plans for "American-style police commissioners", as this would save \u00a3100m, Yvette Cooper tells MPs.

     
  270.  
    1656:
    MPs in the Commons at 1625

    The Commons benches have thinned out a bit now - here's a wide shot of the Commons, which was packed out when David Cameron kicked off events earlier.

     
  271.  
    1702: Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News

    MPs have decided to extend the debate so that all those who want to can have their say. It will now last an extra hour until 20.00 BST.

     
  272.  
    1707:

    Gavin Barwell, Tory MP for Croydon Central, says there is "no justification" for the violence in the town earlier this week.

     
  273.  
    1709:

    Tottenham MP David Lammy is making an impassioned speech - condemning the violence and saying it had nothing to do with the death of Mark Duggan: "This violence and we condemn it utterly," he tells MPs.

     
  274.  
    1710:

    But he also tells MPs that the Metropolitan Police did make mistakes "and must be subject to a full public inquiry".

     
  275.  
    1711:

    Mr Lammy praises the "brave and very resilient" people in his constituency but urges the government not to forget them as the TV cameras move out. He says the riots cannot be explained away "simply by poverty or cuts to public services" - pointing out that most young men in the area did not take part.

     
  276.  
    1711:

    Mr Lammy says many young men in the Tottenham area did not take part as they have been "brought up to show respect".

     
  277.  
    1712:

    He attacks the "Grand Theft Auto culture" that he says lies behind the violence.

     
  278.  
    1715:

    Liberal Democrat deputy leader Simon Hughes says it is "even more important" that serial criminals are caught than the others involved in rioting. Such people are role models to more impressionable children and young people and must be dealt with, he adds.

     
  279.  
    1717:

    There were very few house burglaries in Southwark, south London, while the unrest was taking place, Simon Hughes says. This proves that the most hardened criminals were involved in the riots, he argues.

     
  280.  
    1718:

    Mr Hughes says there was "a truce" between criminal gangs over the past few days and "they decided not to fight each other but to go and fight the community" and others joined them.

     
  281.  
    1719:

    The Malaysian student who was videoed being mugged by people as they pretended to help him in Barking, east London, has been speaking to the media. Ashraf Rossli, who was discharged from hospital earlier, said he felt sorry for those who had taken part and was sad such young children were involved.

     
  282.  
    1721:

    Labour's Shabana Mahmood says the violence in Birmingham has sickened most people in the city.

     
  283.  
    GM, Newcastle

    Let's cut to the chase - the small percentage of people who commit an offence need to fear the police and the courts. Cut red tape and empower police to use force where necessary to curtail riots and looters. Courts need to get tough and set longer sentences and or community service which will act as a greater deterrent.

     
  284.  
    1726:

    The e-petition calling for rioters to lose their benefits has reached 100,000 hits and been referred to the Commons backbench committee, the first to do so since the website launched last week.

     
  285.  
    1729:

    Conservative MP Angie Bray, who represents Ealing Central and Acton, says the area commander for the Met is "happy" with the number of officers at his disposal.

     
  286.  
    1731:

    Ms Bray says the voluntary national citizenship programme has been a success and could be a way of countering the sort of behaviour exhibited by some young people this week.

     
  287.  
    1733:

    Veteran Labour MP Sir Gerald Kaufman warns that rioting could come back "at any time and on any pretext".

     
  288.  
    1737:

    The "context" of people's lives must change to prevent a re-run of violence, Sir Gerald argues. More must be done to mentor young people from trouble homes, he says.

     
  289.  
    1739:

    Tory Phillip Lee says he watched the rioting on TV with his 87-year-old grandfather, who was "born into abject poverty" - proving that was no excuse for violence.

     
  290.  
    1740:

    MPs have been told to restrict their speeches to four minutes by deputy speaker Lindsay Hoyle.

     
  291.  
    1742:

    Tory MP Lee Scott says the government "must take the handcuffs off our police" to allow them to deal with rioters.

     
  292.  
    Bern O'Donoghue

    tweets: Shame to see so few MPs taking part in the debate on the #riots. Where are they when it's so important?

     
  293.  
    1745:

    Labour's Heidi Alexander, who represents Lewisham East, says her constituency office was broken into the other day. She found out while travelling in a taxi in New York, where she was on honeymoon, she adds.

     
  294.  
    1759:

    Tory Nick de Bois, whose constituency is Enfield North, says looters in the area targeted high-quality good stores. Trouble was organised by mobile phone, he adds.

     
  295.  
    1759:

    Mr de Bois says his constituents have asked why water cannon and rubber bullets were not used. The "mere threat" of this will restrict future rioting, he tells the Commons.

     
  296.  
    1804:

    Tony Lloyd, Labour MP for Manchester Central, who has been critical of the police's handling of the riots, says a "very limited number of criminals trashed the city centre in a matter of hours".

     
  297.  
    1808:

    Tory MP James Morris says high levels of anti-social behaviour and minor crime can lead to more serious problems such as those seen over the last few days.

     
  298.  
    1809:

    Scotland Yard says it has arrested a 20-year-old man on suspicion of robbery, in connection with the attack on Malaysian student Ashraf Rossli.

     
  299.  
    1819:

    London Mayor Boris Johnson bought an umbrella during a walkabout in Ealing, in the west of the city, earlier.

    Boris Johnson in Ealing
     
  300.  
    1825:

    Conservative Jane Ellison says some police tactics must be reviewed, as parts of her Battersea constituency became a "free-for-all" as rioting swept through London.

     

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