Clegg urges 'less political heat' over Lords debate

The chamber of the House of Lords The government wants the first elections to the new chamber to take place in 2015

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Nick Clegg has said he wants to "take the political heat" out of the debate over Lords reform after admitting his proposals for a mainly elected chamber had caused "angst and objections".

The deputy prime minister told peers he wanted a "consensual, collective and dispassionate" discussion of proposed elections planned to begin in 2015.

But he denied reports he would take a backseat as the plans go forward.

The plans have been criticised by Tory and Labour MPs and cross-bench peers.

The deputy prime minister set out proposals on Tuesday to reduce the size of the chamber from 800 to 300 members - with at least 80% of those elected, in an effort to give it "greater democratic legitimacy".

Questioned on the plans by the Lords Constitution Committee, Mr Clegg said he was conscious the issue risked being seen through the prism of what it meant for the coalition and the Liberal Democrats' role in it.

"I am very keen, in whatever way I can, to try and take some of the heat out of the immediate politics of this so we can, in deliberate fashion, over the next year look at this as dispassionately, consensually and collectively as possible," he said.

The deputy prime minister dismissed media reports he would cede overall control of the plans to Conservative Lords leader Lord Strathclyde and said he was not "abdicating responsibility" for them.

But he added he was focused on the "bigger picture" and wanted to allow a wider debate "uncluttered by the kind of day-to-day yah-boo of the politics of today".

'Powers and conventions'

All three parties included Lords reform in their 2010 election manifestos but the majority of Conservative and Labour MPs reacting to the plans on Tuesday were hostile.


  • 300 members
  • 80% elected - 20% appointed but with a provision for a fully elected chamber
  • Members to be elected for single 15-year terms under the single transferable vote system of proportional representation
  • A third of members to be elected in 2015, a further third in 2020 and 2025
  • Number of bishops to be reduced from 26 to 12
  • Government still to be able to appoint new ministers to Lords

Among their concerns were that a mainly elected chamber was bound to lead to greater "conflict" with the Commons, that electing members for 15 years would damage accountability and that using a form of proportional representation to elect them would be unpalatable to the public.

Labour peer Lady Jay said she was "surprised" greater thought had not been given to how electing the Lords would alter its relationship with the Commons.

"This is the first time an exercise of this kind has been conducted without looking first at the roles, powers and conventions which attach to both Houses, specifically to the House of Lords, in the context of then deciding what perhaps should be a change in the membership," she said.

But the deputy prime minister said the reforms started from the "premise" the Lords would remain as a revising chamber and its powers in relation to the Commons, would not change.

"We are not seeking to re-invent the wheel. This is not new stuff. It has been knocking around for about 100 years."

The Financial Times reported on Wednesday that three leading Conservatives - Chancellor George Osborne, Home Secretary Theresa May and Defence Secretary Liam Fox - all spoke up in favour of the plans at a Cabinet meeting on Tuesday.


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    Comment number 15.

    In the other HYS on this topic one of the editors picks was
    "The last thing we need is a second elected chamber.
    What we do need is a chamber of experts who owe no party political allegiance, who can veto, not just delay, the excesses, daft ideas and short termism of the Commons."
    In other words give up democracy for an oligarchy, a dictatorship by a group of emminent men.
    Not a good idea

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    Comment number 14.

    The Lords, I believe, should stay unelected, but instead of being appointed by the Commons, should be selected at random from the UK population- much like a jury is.

    They could be supported by experts, and would still hold the Commons to account, but in a much more democratically direct way. 5 year terms with some crossover would allow for the 'Lords' to oversee the current term of the Commons.

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    Comment number 13.

    Astonished by the hypocrisy of some Labour MPs - they scream about the undemocratic nature of the Lords then complain it would undermine the Commons if it were democratically elected.

    Agree that what we really need is debate and decision on what the Lords is for and what its powers should be, then work out how best to elect it. France, Germany, USA all have 2 elected houses so it can work.

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    Comment number 12.

    The HoL's is a body that deals with policy, same as the commons. The fact that it's job is different in regard to policy formation does not mean that it should be any less democratically accountable.

    A 15 yeas term, with staggered elections of 1/3 of the house is a very sensible. It makes it different to the Lords, both in it's composition and it's perceived position.

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    Comment number 11.

    What's with the hypocrisy towards Clegg? People complain he wont stand up for the principles the Lib Dems claim to stand for, but as soon as he does people argue against him for the sake of arguing against him. I'm actually beginning to feel sorry for the fellow- people are saying they want the change he's pushing for, but arguing against it when he actually starts pushing for it.


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