Scotland independence vote prompts northern power games

Union Jack and Scottish Saltire The Scottish independence vote is causing debate south of the border too

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Nobody in the north-east of England will have a vote in next year's Scottish independence referendum.

But be in no doubt that many in the English region closest to the border are keeping an eye on their northern neighbours.

There are politicians and business leaders in the North East who see an increasingly-powerful Scotland as an economic rival.

But one former Labour believes northerners need to become a bit more Scottish.

Northern party

Hilton Dawson represented Lancaster and Wyre until 2005, but he was born in Northumberland and has now returned to the North East.

He believes the region needs its own northern political party, modelled on the success of the Scottish Nationalists.

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Hilton Dawson

There is ill-feeling about the contrast just yards over the border in some places. That's why we need to act now”

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The former MP isn't pushing for the north to become independent, but he does believe there is a need for English devolution.

He believes a powerful regional assembly could offer the North East a way of competing both with Scotland and the south of England.

He said: "We see the Scottish economy taking off, and that country having a new sense of self confidence and a reinvigorated democracy.

"Compare and contrast that with a North East that has the highest levels of poverty and social deprivation, and is routinely ignored by the people that make the decisions 300 miles away.

"There is ill-feeling about the contrast just yards over the border in some places. That's why we need to act now."

Badly burnt

But this debate is not new. The North East was offered a regional assembly by John Prescott in 2004.

He and its northern supporters were left badly burnt when almost four out of five of the region's voters rejected the idea.

Hilton Dawson believes what was on offer was too weak to win over voters.

But Labour is reluctant to revive the idea in any form. Ed Miliband ruled out the return of regional assemblies to me earlier this year.

No campaigners in the regional assembly campaign with their inflatable white elephant No campaigners in 2004's regional assembly referendum said it would be a white elephant

City of Durham MP, and shadow communities minister Roberta Blackman-Woods also believes there's no public clamour for an assembly or a North East party.

She said: "I do not think there is any democratic mandate for a party that would specifically represent the North East. The region already has a number of MPs and local politicians that represent its interests very well."

But the north wasn't always as reliant on influence in London. For many centuries, the Prince Bishops of Durham were granted considerable power to govern the region.

They had the right to mint coins, levy taxes and even raise an army.

They also had a crucial role in defending England's border from any Scottish threat.

And when I spoke to people on the streets of the Prince Bishops' former County Durham ancestral home of Bishop Auckland there were a number hankering after more power for the region. Quite a few talked about being ignored by politicians in London.

There was though less enthusiasm for the idea of a regional assembly, with some fearing it could threaten the further breakup of the United Kingdom.

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Roberta Blackman-Woods

I do not think there is any democratic mandate for a party that would specifically represent the North East”

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Combined authority

But there might be other methods of developing a North East power base.

Seven of its councils are planning to co-operate in a new combined authority stretching from Berwick on the Scottish border to Barnard Castle on the North Yorkshire boundary.

They won't merge, but they will work together more to gain more clout.

The council leaders hope to persuade the government to move power and funding for transport, housing and skills from Whitehall and Westminster to the region.

They say that could help rebalance England, but, just like the Prince Bishops, they also have half an eye on Scotland.

Durham County Council leader and proposed authority chair Cllr Simon Henig said: "We are talking about existing local authorities working better together, and the pressure to do so is increasing all the time because of the economic challenge we face on our northern border and also from the south of England.

"We have to change the way we work together. We have got to do things better because it is senseless for councils to compete against each other."

And given the regional assembly debacle, it does seem likely that any English devolution is likely to be based on existing organisations rather than new ones.

Campaigners for an English parliament though are convinced that any move towards regional power will further damage the country's cohesion.

But there's no question what's happening in Scotland is posing questions for England, and for the north in particular.

The Prince Bishops feared invasion, now people in the North East are weighing up whether the Scottish independence referendum poses a threat or offers an opportunity for change.

Richard Moss Article written by Richard Moss Richard Moss Political editor, North East & Cumbria

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    Comment number 14.

    The defeat of the Northern Earls and Scandinavians at Stamford Bridge near York in 1066 by King Harold (defeated at Hastings by the Norman French ), has subjugated the North to centuries of exploitation by the conquerors. The claim of all the Northern people to a fair share of England's wealth and republican autonomy is just. The North West also has a valid claim to autonomy. East & West Unite.

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    Comment number 13.

    People should take this opportunity to step back and watch the 4th estate manage peoples' thoughts and voting intentions. Actual votes.

    All the protagonists are barking mad.
    Full of themselves.

    Yet somehow a majority will accumulate and decide.
    The voters will be told who to vote for by the media.
    As usual.

    So who are the players?

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    Comment number 12.

    The proposed combined authority for the 7 local authorities in Durham, Northumberland and Tyne and Wear must surely represent the best chance for devolving real power to people based in the region. Unlike previous attempts to make this happen, the combined authority will have its own statutory basis, and cannot simply be abolished on a whim from Whitehall.

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    Comment number 11.

    Understandable that the NE feels neglected, but the reality is that every shade of govt over the past century has tried and failed.
    The SE of England thrives despite increasingly desperate deficiencies in real infrastructure; we need schools, doctors & hospitals, but get runways and supermarkets.
    We need less layers of tax eating party clones and civil servants, not more.

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    Comment number 10.

    There is an English government. It's in Westminister & it rules the UK in the interests of London & the City. In an English Parliament the NE would be irrelevant, a Labour enclave in a Tory country. A regional assembly is a fantasy. Why would they devolve any power to the opposition? Centralisation & managed decline is the best they have to offer.If we want work we will have to get on our bikes.

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    Comment number 9.

    There is a strong case for proper devolved regions with assemblies to replace county councils or run alongside existing councils. Given the true North East [i.e. Twixt Tees & Tweed] is run by a combination of Unitary Authorities and Metropolitan Authority it seems logical they have an assembly similar to Wales to replace old County functions & take on some current Westminster & Home Office jobs.

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    Comment number 8.

    "Nobody in the north-east of England will have a vote in next year's Scottish independence referendum".
    Yes and nobody in England will get a vote in a referendum on English independence! Why? Because Westminster Unionist politicians know there is good chance England would vote YES! Let's have an independent England. We English can then sort out own problems without the interference of the British!

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    Comment number 7.

    'Hilton Dawson' ---Divide and conquer -- is Dawson after a job in Brussels? I can't think of anyone else that would buy him.

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    Comment number 6.

    Political change is certainly needed in the NE. The Tories don't care, they are a party of the City and the South. Labour takes the support of NE voters for granted: Ed Miliband is more interested in the opinions of floating voters in London than his supporters here. It looks like the best we can hope for is fracking and a lot more cuts in jobs and services whoever is in power.

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    Comment number 5.

    The reason that the North East suffers is that the British Government continually panders to the Scots whilst ignoring us. England needs a Parliament so we have a voice to balance those of the Parliaments freely given to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland!

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    Comment number 4.

    Have you seen what's left of Swan Hunter's Yard? It's a wasteland. All the cranes and machinery have gone, sold to India. No more ships will ever be built there. Scottish independence will be a disaster for the NE, a remote Labour enclave in a Tory dominated England. If England leaves the EU Nissan will move to Scotland. The NE would be better off moving to Scotland with them.

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    Comment number 3.

    I live in the south and would be happy for the capital to move from london to York or Newcastle. We have to spread the organs of govt more. Scottish ind can make England more dynamic and a trading nation again. Maybe we can build RN ships at swan hunter again? Jobs for the north ! !

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    Comment number 2.

    Even the pro-region IPPR couldn't engineer more than 8% support for the "regions" - unsurprisingly most English see no benefit in carving England up into competing regions. Especially when we already have perfectly suitable regions - the shire system. In the census 33 million English said they were English ONLY. When will we get a say on how England is governed?

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    Comment number 1.

    We live in north Northumberland and regularly buy goods and services north of the border...until now. How can we have our car serviced in a foreign country? Why would I go to a foreign country for chiropractic treatment? It would be a completely unnecessary complication in our lives. So obviously we will draw on English goods and service providers in the future.



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