Police and Crime Commissioners: who cares?

 
Police officers Elected police commissioners will determine strategies for reducing crime in their areas

Most people know next to nothing and care even less about the Police and Crime Commissioner elections on Thursday, 15 November 2012.

All the polling information suggests a very low turnout, possibly under 20%.

That's unless the television and radio advertising campaign now under way can engender some semblance of public awareness in a region comprising five of the 41 police force areas outside London where elections are being held.

The West Midlands force is the biggest outside the capital.

West Mercia straddles a vast geographical area covering the whole of Shropshire, Herefordshire and Worcestershire.

Our three 'shire county' forces are Gloucestershire, Warwickshire and Staffordshire.

They all have very distinct policing priorities which defy the sort of airy generalisations familiar in short blog posts like this.

So our BBC political reporters in each of the five force areas will be delving into the challenges facing each of them in this weekend's Sunday Politics West Midlands.

With me in the studio to try to dispel the general air of mystery and confusion surrounding the proceedings will be:

  • James Morris MP, Conservative, Halesowen and Rowley Regis;
  • Steve McCabe MP, Labour, Birmingham Selly Oak;
  • John Hemming MP, Liberal Democrat, Birmingham Yardley.
Powerful role?

Remember, the purpose of the shake-up is meant to be about raising the public profile of police accountability.

How could a commissioner claim a genuine mandate if they were elected by fewer than one in five?

Privately, ministers are very anxious about the possibility of a low turnout.

But publicly they tell us that voters will become more engaged once they realise this is their first big opportunity to have a direct say over how their communities are policed.

Which raises the question whether the commissioners really will be all that powerful or, as critics suggest, relatively powerless.

The formal levers at their disposal look impressive:

  • Ultimately, to hire and even fire the chief constable
  • To set the police budgets
  • To determine strategies for reducing crime
  • To engage with local communities.

Sceptics say all this flatters to deceive.

Operational responsibility for the day-to-day policing that matters most to people on the doorstep (crimes against the person, burglary and anti-social behaviour) remains with senior police officers headed by the chief constable.

So in practice it follows that the role of the commissioner will be more token than real.

Neither of these interpretations by itself tells the whole story.

Politics and policing

The real test of how much clout the PCCs will have is whether they make full use not just of their defined powers, but also of what politicians like to call the 'soft powers' - persuasion, bargaining, coaxing and cajoling, negotiating, forming alliances and brokering deals.

Police officers on duty The new police commissioners will set police budgets in their force areas

Successful political leaders develop the habit of occupying the full space allowed them by their high office... and then some.

The converse can be equally and brutally true.

And remember this is about politics, whatever the merits or demerits of those pious hopes expressed early on that we would see an abundance of independent candidates aiming to 'keep politics out of policing'.

For good or ill, these contests were always bound to be political.

How else can you describe the paraphernalia surrounding nominations, the preparation of manifestos and mission statements, and ultimately the submission of candidates to the will of the electorate?

And who have the most experience, resources and expertise to manage this process? The political parties, of course.

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Police officer

The real point though, is that this is uncharted territory for us all ”

End Quote Patrick Burns Political editor West Midlands

So these elections were always going to be an uphill fight for independents, not least because of the £5,000 deposit to be staked by each candidate.

No wonder the names of recycled party politicians feature so prominently among the candidates.

Here's a full list of the candidates on the BBC Police Elections website.

The real point though, is that this is uncharted territory for us all. We have never been this way before.

A genuine novelty.

And my hunch is that by mid November, the excitement will no longer be confined to us political anoraks.

Find out more about the police commissioner debate on the BBC Sunday Politics West Midlands from 11.00 on BBC One on Sunday, 21 October 2012.

 
Patrick Burns, Political editor, Midlands Article written by Patrick Burns Patrick Burns Political editor, Midlands

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    Comment number 23.

    Just another useless piece of expensive ineffective management, together with the useless ineffective Community Support Officers.

    Spend the money used, on proper police officers who at least can perform some function albeit with their hands tied behind their backs.

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    Comment number 22.

    They just don't get it! The public does not like or trust the political elite. Voters do not want elected mayors, regional assemblies, or politically motivated police commissioners. People don't even like local councils very much, as most of them are totally inept with their snouts in the trough, making everyone's life a misery. More local power usually means more local tyranny.

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    Comment number 21.

    Start right now & convince everyone you know (even just a little bit) to spoil their ballot papers.
    If the highest vote is for no-one it will remove the legitimacy of this fatuous election.
    I DO NOT want a politically driven body overseeing the police
    The existing apolitical system is satisfactory
    Billions are going in cutbacks, but the Government can still find millions for changes no-one wants

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    Comment number 20.

    An elected PCC was asked for by no one, but will cost everyone.

    Can anyone even say what they will do, or what they will change?

    All reasonable people should spoil their ballot in protest.

    But most people will just vote tribally, as usual.

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    Comment number 19.

    When the newly elected Police and Crime Commissioners set police budgets, they should bear in mind that UK spend on law and order as a % of GDP is the highest in the OECD. This makes ours the most expensive criminal justice system in the developed world! Total spend on police services increased by 35% in real terms between 2000-01 and 2010-11. So no shroud waving over spending cuts please!

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    Comment number 18.

    The Labour candidate here in Hastings holds various local authority posts - he is a local councillor, chairman of the planning committee both here and on East Sussex County Council, a magistrate, and he holds many other posts....if elected would he be permitted to retain all these posts or would he have to resign? We cannot find an answer to this anywhere and we need to know......

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    Comment number 17.

    A complete waste of time and money. I don't even know who the candidates are in my region. I don't even know what my 'region' is. What difference will it make who wins? What next, voting for who runs the local post office?.

    I won't be voting, not even to spoil my ballot paper

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    Comment number 16.

    This is a pathetic waste of time and money. I knew nothing of even whom was standing til today. Only to find that the one person that has bothered to even have some leaflet posted. And guess what he is like 40 miles away from my area... How the hell is this supposed to be local ??? I bet he wont even step foot in Coventry.

    Spoiling my ballot paper too when it arrives in protest

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    Comment number 15.

    I'm in West Mercia. We have three candidates, a Tory, a Socialist, and an Indie. For the first time since I first voted - for Mrs Thatcher in the 1979 general election - I am not going to vote Tory. I could never vote for the Socialists, never, not for anything. So I will vote for the Indie.

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    Comment number 14.

    another tory botch job. I will have to vote to indicate my dis-approval.

    It will be interesting to see if the biggest vote is for spoilt.

    I am sick and tired of Westminster ignoring my anger at these side shows.

    Its the economy stupid just give us a job

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    Comment number 13.

    I got my card just the other day and I will be voting. After all, anyone who is offfered the chance to vote but does not vote is cutting off their own nose to spite their face,

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    Comment number 12.

    I will not be voting - this is money being spent on a salary which should go to front line policing

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    Comment number 11.

    Not wanted. I will be casting a spoilt ballot paper. Waste of money for yet another political purpose,

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    Comment number 10.

    I don't care two hoots, whoever wins will make no difference, it's the government that makes laws not police no matter who wins and gets the job they will have the same law as the other guy!

    This won't stop police tazering and battering innocent people so might as well be anybody.

    This is just a 'make us feel important thing' by a shambolic government ran by toffs who have to have think tanks.

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    Comment number 9.

    In view of the Prime Minister's support for Mr Mitchell maybe they should call the post Chief Pleb and then we might get some political interest. I do not see this will improve policing or make the Police's job easier.

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    Comment number 8.

    We were asked whether we wanted a Mayor and we voted 'No'.
    That was the 'wrong' answer - so this time we were not asked and the required answer was imposed upon us
    I therefore went to a 'hustings' meeting with the intention not to vote as a protest.
    Having heard what the candidates had to say, the old phrase "Don't vote - it only encourages them" springs to mind.
    £100,000 salary plus Deputy? Mad!

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    Comment number 7.

    I agree with derek, if I really want to go along and vote and the choice is not good then I will spoil my ballot paper to show my disagreement. I really can't see why I should put the power over policing to one person, particularly as I can't trust one person to do this in a politicised arena. It should have been left at a committee of varied interests as before.
    The government has got this wrong.

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    Comment number 6.

    It's disgraceful that policing is being politicised for no good reason.

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    Comment number 5.

    I am amazed at how quietly this has been pushed through. I have looked at the two candidates in my area... they look like two new upwardly mobile county councillors (one labour/one conservative) who are totally unsuitable for the job. I have voted in all elections as I believe in active democracy... all I can do is (for the first time) spoil my ballot paper in protest!!!!

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    Comment number 4.

    I remember the vote as to whether we wanted a mayor or not, but I don't remember the vote as to whether we wanted a PCC or not - did I miss it? So the tax payer has no choice but to have a PCC forced upon them and to fund yet another level of unneeded bureaucracy providing a nice lucrative cushy number for the so-called elected incumbent.

 

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