Viewpoints: How might Romanian and Bulgarian immigration affect the UK?

 
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The number of Romanians and Bulgarians working in the UK rose by a quarter in three months, new figures have shown.

The Office for National Statistics said 141,000 were employed from April to June compared with 112,000 in the previous three months - up nearly 26%.

This comes just before temporary restrictions on the type of jobs open to people from the two countries are due to expire later this year.

Here are five views on the impact that Romanian and Bulgarian immigration might have on the UK.

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Nigel Farage

[Migrants] put pressure on those sections of society least able to defend themselves”

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Nigel Farage, leader of UK Independence Party

So far the government has been in utter denial about the impact of opening the door in January to Romanian and Bulgarian immigration with no restrictions in the new year.

They have refused point blank to release their estimates about the numbers they expect to arrive and they appear to be engaging in a futile rejection of reality.

It is a simple fact that if you open your doors to people from countries with significantly lower wages and GDP than the UK then migratory flows will come.

In the main those arriving will be competing in the low-skills market and will put pressure on those sections of society least able to defend themselves.

My own experience of this is in taxi cabs where I am regularly booked into cabs driven by those who have been recruited as drivers in Bulgaria and Romania.

Nigel Farage

  • UKIP MEP for South East England
  • Elected leader of UKIP in 2006. Re-elected in 2010 after briefly standing down

Nice enough people, but without any local knowledge. Even with a satnav to hand they invariably get lost.

In the meantime, British drivers are driven out of work as they, with mortgages and local ties, cannot compete on wages.

Of course, there is nothing that the government can do about the problem, as they are committed to membership of the EU, which is the root cause of the problem. To act, would be to break EU law.

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Jonathan Portes

Impacts on the UK economy and labour market are likely to be small, but broadly positive”

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Jonathan Portes, of National Institute of Economic and Social Research

The big picture is that most migrants from the new member states of the EU come here to work; they are young and place relatively few demands on public services.

Yesterday's figures showed migrants from Romania and Bulgaria are more likely to be in work than the population as a whole. However, the overall impact on the labour market is not likely to be that large - the increase in Bulgarian and Romanian workers in the latest statistics represents one in a thousand of the UK workforce.

Migrants in general, in particular those from the new member states, are less likely to claim benefits than the general population.

Future migration from Bulgaria and Romania is unlikely to have a significant impact on the NHS. Economic migrants, in particular, are generally young and healthy and do not make major demands on health services.

Jonathan Portes

  • Previously chief economist at the Cabinet Office under Labour government
  • Now director of NIESR

Any migration of families may potentially increase pressure on school places at primary level in areas experiencing pressure on places. While existing evidence suggests that migrant children do not have a negative impact on school performance, language assistance will need to be provided, at least for any new arrivals from Bulgaria and Romania.

Any impacts of migration on housing are most likely to be felt in the private rented sector.

Overall, our assessment is that the impacts on the UK economy and labour market are likely to be small, but broadly positive, as you would expect given that most new migrants will be relatively young and their primary motivation is to find work.

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Max Wind-Cowie

When a new community effectively commandeers a place... that leads to resentment”

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Max Wind-Cowie, of Demos

The impact of immigration on the economy, wages, resources and public services is much debated and hugely contentious. But at least there are numbers to work from.

Questions about the social consequences of an inflow such as that we have seen - and will see - of Romanian and Bulgarian migrants are even more complex.

Large and sudden arrivals can lead to extreme concentrations of migrant communities - people from Romania and Bulgaria, arriving en masse, will naturally congregate in places where there is unskilled, flexible work available and where friends and relatives may be already.

Max Wind-Cowie

  • Runs Integration and National Identity programme at think tank Demos
  • Oversees research on immigration, ethnic cohesion and patriotism

It is this accidental drift towards ghettoisation that has had such a profound impact on places like Boston. And when a new community effectively commandeers a place - including the public resources such as schools and hospitals that it offers - that leads to resentment and a steady erosion of our social fabric.

People become much less willing to pay into a communal pot when they think they can see it being exploited by people who do not appear to be making much of an effort to fit in with their new neighbours.

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Pawel Swidlicki

Free movement has been broadly beneficial for the UK”

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Pawel Swidlicki, research analyst at Open Europe

Free movement has been broadly beneficial for the UK but it needs to be delicately handled.

Although European migrants are distributed from low- to high-skilled jobs, migrants typically work in agriculture, catering, hospitality and construction.

It would be fair to say that the lowest paid are the most affected by immigration. In some areas such as Slough and Lincolnshire, there has been an increase in pressure on public services such as schools, the NHS and the police.

But there is no conclusive evidence that the last wave of immigration - when Poland, Hungary and others entered the EU in 2004 - had a negative effect on employment in the UK.

Employment among UK-born workers stayed roughly steady while overall job creation increased. In other words, EU migration didn't contribute to unemployment - but new jobs created often did not go to local workers.

Public confidence in migration is low. The perception is that it's too easy for EU migrants to access the social welfare system, even though employment is proportionally higher among migrants.

Pawel Swidlicki

  • Research analyst at Open Europe since 2011
  • Specialises in Central and Eastern European politics and economics

Part of the problem is the UK's "universalist" welfare system which makes it harder to monitor eligibility compared to the insurance-based models favoured on the Continent.

The public need to be reassured not only that people who have not paid into the system are not abusing it, but also that this cannot happen.

For this, there needs to be some mechanism by which the ineligibility of claimants can be determined, with rigorous testing and checks in place.

The EU ought to drop its counter-productive challenge against the UK's "right to reside" test and instead work with the UK and other member states to restore clarity to the overly complex rules governing EU migrants' access to benefits.

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Sir Andrew Green

We are simply not prepared to for migration on this scale”

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Sir Andrew Green, director of Migration Watch UK

The increase this year is a surprise given that the UK labour market is not open until next January.

And there's a wildcard in this. There are nearly a million Romanians living in Italy and another million in Spain, both of which have high unemployment, and so many may end up moving to Germany or the UK.

It is all pointing to a fairly significant movement of workers to the UK. We've estimated that there will be between 30,000 and 70,000 net migration from Romania and Bulgaria for each of the next five years.

In considering the impact on the UK, we should add this number to the present level of net migration, which is about 150,000 a year.

Sir Andrew Green

  • Former diplomat, served as ambassador to Syria and Saudi Arabia
  • Founded Migration Watch UK in 2001

So the effect of it is, if our estimates our correct, that we will revert to net migration of 200,000 people every year.

This would place a severe strain on schools, housing and infrastructure in the UK.

Just over a third of all new households will be formed by migrants. This means that we'd have to build a home every seven minutes for the next 20 years to cope with the extra demand.

As for schools, already we're short of 120,000 primary school places for the start of the new school year. If immigration is allowed to continue these problems will continue and spread to secondary schools.

We are simply not prepared for migration on this scale, and the public certainly don't want to see it.

 

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    612. paul

    Thats right paul I would rather my whole race be wiped out than be called a "little Englander"

    People like you are not English anymore.

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    Comment number 634.

    @629
    Further to last. I admire him as a figurehead, the right man at the right time, a great writer, half decent painter, and builder of reasonable walls but remember the full picture, the Dardanelles fiasco, Troops against the miners. And he was so beloved that he won the first election after the war ? well actually not quite.
    Still he was a fine leader at the time.

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    Comment number 633.

    @632 You nailed it, a cheap source of labour so beloved by our businesses and friends of business (in Govt).
    Cannot blame them for wanting to come, but if the salaries were a living wage we would have filled the vacancies long ago.
    Welcome to rip off Britain a place where we apparently cut our energy costs by 23% and they raised the prices by 28%
    Colder but poorer.

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    Comment number 632.

    How can this make anything better? Are they all rich but eager to give all their money to their new home country? Are they all impeccably mannered and will improve us through their example? Are they wonderful cooks and wish add to our culture though food? Or will they simply be another source of cheap labour where our govt has made no preparations for them or contingencies for infrastructure?

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    Comment number 631.

    Can't wait to read it give me a reference I assume then you dont apply the same attribute to Asian/Africans or they inventors as well ?
    Black inventors try just googling that (I'm sure it's frowned upon by in BNP circles but I wont tell).
    Bet he didn't stop Black Americans, Indian troops, Chinese troops, etc. Or don't they don't count was it just White Germanic European Racist he abhorred.

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    Comment number 630.

    @629
    So you don't recognise a quote by the most famous leader this country has ever had, who spend 5 years stopping foreigners getting into the country, although they would have mostly have been paratroopers.

    I've had peer reviewed work published, so I must have 'invented' (come up with) something

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    Comment number 629.

    Most things with eyes will look at you, to attribute eye contact to assuming equality is fantasy.
    In dogs it is usually a sign of agression try hold eye contact with a Rotweiller that doesn't know you. A pig does not treat you as an equal and being as you allude to eating a bacon sandwich you certainly don't regard him as an equal.
    Gosh we are brilliant, what have you invented ?

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    Comment number 628.

    @626 Vampire yes I'm afraid he does, examine his other posts.
    Very sad eh.
    However he does claim not to be racist so that must be right eh.

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    Comment number 627.

    @624

    Dogs look up to you, cats look down on you. Give me a pig. He just looks you in the eye and treats you as an equal

    Modern medicine, i.e. not grinding up rhino horns, European. Pottery, over a 1000 years old. Navigation/ astronomy is mostly mathematics, real advances made in last 1000 years by Europeans, i.e. longitude.

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    Comment number 626.

    623. doug

    "If we were all the same why has every technological breakthrough of last 1000 years, other than gunpowder & some maths,been due to white Europeans?"

    Surely you don't actually believe this?

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    Comment number 625.

    It's no invasion. People come here for work. There are also 2.5m unemployed. So the problem? Not the EU but the welfare state which pays 2,5m to sit doing nothing! The way to stop immigration is not to leave the EU (actually most immigration is from outside the EU) but to roll back the welfare state to what it was meant to be: a safety net for those who pay in, not beer money for young layabouts.

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    Comment number 623.

    @621

    You're another one of those are you. Yes humans evolved from an ancestor in Africa. If you go back far enough we have a common ancestor with a pig, as I commented earlier. eating a bacon sarnie doesn't make you a cannibal. If we were all the same why has every technological breakthrough of last 1000 years, other than gunpowder & some maths,been due to white Europeans?

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    Comment number 622.

    @612

    My comments were removed due to calling certain posters soft in the head, rather than anything to due with my views being racist. I don't believe in emigration either, I think it's a real shame certain parts of Spain have been ruined by vast numbers of British. To everyone who bangs on about diversity, mass immigration between countries will result in homogeneity rather than diversity.

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    Comment number 621.

    Given the state of British (ahem) industry I wonder how many people protesting here are actually working for Foreign owned companies suppose they decided to shut up shop and go "home" well at least we'd have plenty of time on our hands.
    @618 Given that man evolved first in the Rift Valley, would any of us be here on HYS if they hadn't migrated ?? Aeroplanes ha !

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    Comment number 620.

    617 Shaun, so these Romanians and Bulgarians are actually skilled Engineer and Designers are they, (to be fair a few of them might be) are these the people the majority are railling against.
    Do we therefore stop all migration and indeed not migrate ourselves.
    My company is Sharjah based employing nationalities from all over & many many Brits, shall we kick the company out of the UK ?

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    Comment number 619.

    @614 J Hoover.
    I'm afraid it's like butting your head against a wall, a very thick one .The simplisitic Media diatribe is readily adopted on HYS.
    Rather than look at how businesses exploit all with the aim of lowering salaries they look for an easy target, so poor old Johnny Foreigner gets a kicking and not all of them either lets pick a specific target for our few minutes of Hate.
    1984 is here

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    Comment number 617.

    @616

    This is my point, I as an electrical engineer/designer I have had to take a 10k pay cut, I work harder than ever, 3x harder than in 1999.

    The cut in wages has caused serious financial problems

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    Comment number 616.

    615 "The original engineers can no longer work for the wage, we end up losing our career"

    I can appreciate your argument Shaun, but if we have to keep working for lower and lower wages, surely rents and house prices should come down too, but they are kept artificially high.
    Having more immigrants come into the country will only add to the problem, so people`s fears are justified.

 

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