David Cameron urges internet firms to block child abuse images

 

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The prime minister has warned internet companies that they need to act to block access to child abuse images or face new legal controls.

David Cameron told the BBC's Andrew Marr Show search firms like Google must do more to stop results from "depraved and disgusting" search terms.

Google said when it discovers child abuse images it acts to remove them.

Labour said the PM's plans did not go "far enough" and criticised cuts to online child abuse policing budgets.

Google is one of a number of firms which recently agreed on measures to step up the hunt for abusive images.

In June, after a meeting chaired by the culture secretary, the government said Google and others including Yahoo!, Microsoft, Twitter and Facebook would allow the charity the Internet Watch Foundation actively to seek out abusive images, rather than just acting upon reports they received.

'Big argument'

The prime minister said he wanted search companies to go even further and block certain search terms from providing results.

The prime minister has now applied intense political pressure on Google - and other search companies - to do more to block access to child abuse images.

But civil liberties campaigners fear that blocking certain searches in one country could set a precedent elsewhere, making other governments more confident in applying censorship.

In any case, many child protection experts are dubious about the effectiveness of the policy - they say most illegal images are hidden on private forums, in cyber-lockers, and on peer-to-peer networks, and are not available via search engines.

For its part, the government says companies always raise technical objections to this kind of initiative and they need to use their technology to find solutions.

He predicted that the call would prompt a "big argument", but he warned: "If we don't get what we need we'll have to look at legislation."

The interview precedes a speech on Monday, in which Mr Cameron is expected to provide more details of the government's plans.

Anyone searching for a word on a "blacklist" compiled by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (Ceop) should be made to view a webpage warning them of the consequences, "such as losing their job, their family, even access to their children", Mr Cameron will say.

"There are some searches which are so abhorrent and where there can be no doubt whatsoever about the sick and malevolent intent of the searcher," the PM will add.

He will tell the internet companies: "If there are technical obstacles to acting on this, don't just stand by and say nothing can be done; use your great brains to help overcome them."

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Why can't they take this stuff off the internet? Kids are getting killed, abused, raped and messed up for the rest of their lives. What's their excuse? I think it is money.”

End Quote Paul Jones, the father of murdered schoolgirl April

A spokesman from Google said: "We have a zero tolerance attitude to child sexual abuse imagery. Whenever we discover it, we respond quickly to remove and report it.

"We recently donated $5m (£3.3m) to help combat this problem and are committed to continuing the dialogue with the government on these issues."

Shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper said: "Child abuse is a hideous crime and its scale on the internet is deeply worrying.

"David Cameron said he would make sure the police had the resources. But the truth is that Theresa May has cut by 10% the resources for the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Agency," she said.

Despite identifying 50,000 cases of British residents accessing images of child abuse online last year, Ceop had pursued only about 2,000, she added.

'Very secretive'

The debate about online images showing the sexual abuse of children has come to prominence following two high-profile court cases in which offenders were known to have sought child pornography online.

Mark Bridger, sentenced to life in May for the murder of five-year-old April Jones in Machynlleth, Powys, searched for child abuse and rape images.

And police who searched the Croydon home of Stuart Hazell, jailed for life in May for murdering 12-year-old Tia Sharp, said they had found "extensive" pornography featuring young girls.

But Jim Killock, executive director of the Open Rights Group which campaigns for online freedoms, said: "The idea that banning some search terms will reduce the amount of child pornography online is a bit of a mistake.

Child abuse meeting in Downing Street Mr Cameron recently met the parents of murdered schoolgirls April Jones and Tia Sharp

"While I think David Cameron is very well intentioned, and of course everybody wants this kind of material to be tackled, we have no real evidence that search engines are the major way that people try to find this material.

"Because it's very, very illegal, people tend to be very secretive."

It would be better to boost funds for the policing of the criminal gangs and private networks responsible for the production and distribution of child abuse images, and to crack down on the methods used to pay for them, he said.

A recent Ceop report highlighted how the "hidden internet" helped distributers of child abuse images to evade detection by using encrypted networks and other secure methods.

But John Carr, from the Children's Charities' Coalition on Internet Safety, said the PM was "absolutely right: there is more that can be done and should be done."

He conceded the plans would not hinder the "tiny, tiny proportion of highly technically literate paedophiles".

"But there's a whole group of others. I mean, we know about two of them, because they were caught and convicted in those murder trials. The judge pointed to the way that they had used the internet to feed their murderous interest and depraved sexual interest in children," he said.

"That kind of thing we can stop."

During a meeting with Mr Cameron at Downing Street, reported in the Sun newspaper, Paul Jones, the father of murdered schoolgirl April, said: "Why can't they take this stuff off the internet? Kids are getting killed, abused, raped and messed up for the rest of their lives.

"What's their excuse? I think it is money. They have the technology and they can do this."

Mr Cameron also said he would like to see more restrictions on access to legal pornography that can be seen online by children.

"There are rules about what films you can see in a cinema, what age you have to be to buy alcohol or cigarettes.

"But on the internet, there aren't those rules, so we need to help parents with control."

 

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    Comment number 597.

    When will UK politicians get it through their thick skulls that playing wac-a-mole with over 600 million web sites - or asking any 3rd party to do this - will have zero effect. Show me one example where this has ever worked.

    Headlines but no effect. Sounds like this government doesn't it. Create controversy somewhere else to hide their incompetence everywhere else!

  • rate this
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    Comment number 596.

    About time too. Any filth on the Internet must be by paid subscription only and be open to full accountability of suppliers.

    We must protect our young people.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 595.

    Why didn't Andrew Marr challenge Cameron on his assumption that these people use Google and Yahoo to download child porn?

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    Comment number 594.

    starting to proper worry ..what people use the internet for!! I actually think David Cameron is making sense! Why would people be so against it! With 'rights' come 'responsibilities'! If this proposal becomes law - and the law gets 'extended' - I can't think of ways they could extend a law - aimed against paedophiles - against any one else / other kinds of internet sites!

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    Comment number 593.

    Blocking might remove some of the stuff put there by rather casual and careless people (and I wouldn't be at all surprised if it blocked lots of entirely legal stuff too). In the meantime the most serious offenders will be sharing the worst material amongst themselves and be entirely unaffected.

    Just for once it would be nice for the government to have someone who knows what they're talking about

  • rate this
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    Comment number 592.

    The Internet is a place where YOU are in control of what you look at & what you post.... nobody else. Indeed by its very nature the Internet views any attempt to block access as a break to be worked around. It is the role of law enforcement to deal with those who post or access material that is illegal, not search engines or ISPs.

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    Comment number 591.

    If your against me then your a leftie. How disgusting.
    A red under the bed, dear me. 1950s disguised as 2013.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 590.

    "Why when internet 'censorship' is directed against paedophiles - is their SO much criticism against it?"

    It's censorship in general. You *cannot* have one form of censorship without it bleeding over into other areas. We all know this. We're in a very real danger of throwing the baby out with the bathwater here.

    Pity we can't trust the authorities to use laws only for their original purpose...

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    Comment number 589.

    Methinks David Cameron doesn't understand how the internet works. I'd imagine 90% of paedophiles do NOT use typical search engines (i.e. Google, Bing, Yahoo).

    What this also screams to me is using it as a cover story to introduce ISP censorship further down the line, using paedophilia as a trojan horse of sorts.

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    Comment number 588.

    What the PM really means is that they aren't going to fund the police to track down the peado rings so he's trying to put a bit of spin for the computer illeterate amoung the population and make it seem like he's doing something by telling the ISPs to tighten up. But coonsidering the poedos will be using tor networks enable online anonymity it won't achieve anything.

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    Comment number 587.

    ISPs can do a great deal in helping to prevent users from accessing the type of material outlined here. Unfortunately it will not rid the internet of indecent images of children but if search providers and ISPs work together in blocking suspicious search phrases, it is a step in the right direction.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 586.

    So according to leftwing commentators - governments can't control the internet but they can control the climate.

    Governments can control people's health life style and eating habits but they can't control illegal recreational drugs , which must therefore be legalised.

    There is some very confused thinking about the power and role of government going on here.

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    Comment number 585.

    567.jon112dk

    How about those that might just stumble amongst them accidentally, do the right thing by closing it immediately and then reporting it to somewhere like the Internet Watch Foundation?

    560. uk_is_toast
    TBH I'd filter the word Scunthorpe as well. Awful place to be. :P

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    Comment number 584.

    why do comments that criticise paedophiles get 'negative' ratings! The internet is already censored/spied upon! During the London riots those who posted certain messages of fb - got jailed! The girl that was made police commissioner lost her job over comments she made on the internet. Why when internet 'censorship' is directed against paedophiles - is their SO much criticism against it?

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    Comment number 583.

    Please ban all Pictures of David Cameron, It turn my Great Dane on

  • rate this
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    Comment number 582.

    What's the betting that D Cameron is one of those who believes that smashing the connectors on the back of a computer ensures that nobody can read the hard disc(s) afterwards?

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    Comment number 581.

    > The prime minister said he wanted search companies to go even further and block certain search terms from providing results.

    I bet one of these is "child porn".

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    Comment number 580.

    A despicable propaganda exercise to gain a political good guy image. The only people who can stop abuse, the police, are having their funding greatly reduced.
    All decent people hate child abuse in any form, they also hate a ploy by anyone to show themselves as being decent at any cost.

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    Comment number 579.

    I would have thought that it would be in child abuse prevention interest to allow these searches as surely the police/whoever (USA CIA etc) are already filtering key words & using them as a 1st step into investigating the sender/user, just as they do for terrorism.

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