Woolwich eyewitness: 'They shot him, they had to'
23 May 2013 Last updated at 15:44 BST
An investigation into the brutal murder of a serving soldier in Woolwich, London is continuing, as it emerges both suspects were known to security services.
Julia Wilders lives on the road where the attack took place and her son goes to the nearby school.
She told BBC Radio 5 live's Victoria Derbyshire how she saw the offender "run at the police with the meat cleavers in his hand".