Viewpoints: Can 16- and-17-year olds be trusted with the vote?

 
Youth Parliament

Sixteen and 17-year-olds may be able to vote in the Scottish independence referendum. But should they?

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Grant Costello

It's not just about capability. Young people rely on public services”

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Grant Costello MSYP, Scottish Youth Parliament (SYP)

Votes at 16 is about accepting 16- and-17-year-olds are smart, rational, articulate people who should be seen as full citizens.

We already accept 16-year-olds are able to make rational long-term decisions because we allow them to work full-time, join the Army, and pay tax. I don't think you can argue young people are able to take the decision to choose to get married or to have children, but are incapable of choosing how to vote.

But it's not just about capability. Young people rely on public services such as transport and schools, but they have no influence over policies which affect their lives - it's no wonder they are disengaged. Lowering the voting age gives these young people the chance to have their say over the society they want to be part of.

Grant Costello

  • Chairs SYP, which says it is designed by young people, led by young people for the benefit of young people
  • Those aged 14-25 represent different areas and voluntary organisations across Scotland

The Scottish Youth Parliament already works with loads of capable, confident and well-informed 16- and-17-year-olds; imagine how many more will be engaged when they all can vote.

Recognising that the important issues equally affect young people, acknowledging they are capable of making decisions, and encouraging them to be part of society - those are the reasons why 16- and 17-year-olds should be allowed to vote.

Grant Costello can be followed on Twitter @GrantDCostello

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Philip Cowley

It's a bizarre way to reinvigorate democracy”

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Philip Cowley, University of Nottingham

Many of the arguments for lowering the voting age are factually wrong.

It is, for example, not true that you can "die for your country but not vote". Those under 18 are not allowed on frontline service.

We also only allow under-18s to join the armed forces with parental permission, because we don't think them old enough to make that judgement alone. Ditto (in England and Wales) for marriage, which under the age of 18 requires parental permission.

So if we're looking for comparisons, then if there is an age at which people are considered "adult" by the state - by which we mean the age at which we allow them to do things, without requiring parental consent and entirely of their own choosing - then that age is more often 18 than 16.

Philip Cowley

  • Professor of parliamentary government at University of Nottingham
  • On government's Youth Citizenship Commission that reported in 2009

When the Hansard Society examined public faith and understanding in the constitution they found just one area where the majority of people said they understood the issue and approved of the current position: and that was having a voting age of 18.

It's a bizarre way to reinvigorate democracy: Find the only issue where a majority both understand and agree, and then do the exact opposite. Polls of those below 18 don't find any great support for lowering to 16 either.

Philip Cowley can be followed on Twitter @philipjcowley

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Ben Page

Most 18 to 24-year-olds don't vote”

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Ben Page, Ipsos Mori

We asked 11-18-year-olds a few years ago whether they thought the voting age should be reduced and actually only half of them thought it should be reduced to 16.

Turnouts are so low amongst 18 to 24-year-olds that just giving votes to 16 and 17-year-olds is unlikely to make a major difference. Most 18 to 24-year-olds don't vote in general elections, they either aren't registered or they don't turn out so their effect is much less than older people.

Eighteen-year-olds try out the vote and then turnout goes down slightly amongst 19 and 20-year-olds. They say it didn't necessarily change as much as they might have liked.

Overall it's the one part of the constitution that most people say they support, having the vote at 18.

Ben Page

  • Chief executive of Ipsos Mori, writer and speaker on leadership and performance management

In our most recent polling we saw actually it's the 25-34-year-olds, who were teenagers when the movie Braveheart came out in the mid-1990s, who are most enthusiastic about independence for Scotland and not the 18-24-year-olds."

Ben Page can be followed on Twitter @benatipsosmori

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Inaki Sagarzazu

Lowering the voting age could re-ignite the interest of the young in politics”

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Professor Vernon Bogdanor, King's College, London

The Scottish Parliament, which has an SNP majority, is likely to give 16-year-olds the vote since it is SNP policy that the franchise should be lowered to 16 for all elections and referendums.

I personally am in favour of votes at 16. It is true that turnout tends to be lower amongst younger voters.

In the 2005 general election, just 44% of 18-24 year olds voted. But those over 16 are subject to tax, employment, and marriage laws as well as the criminal law. In addition, 16-year-olds are at school and may acquire the habit of voting from their civics or citizenship lessons.

By the time they reach 18, many will have left school and forgotten their lessons. So lowering the voting age could reignite the interest of the young in politics.

Vernon Bogdanor

  • Research professor at the Institute for Contemporary British History
  • Written widely on government and politics

But if the franchise is to be lowered, it should be for all elections and not selectively. It should be done after a full debate in Parliament and the country.

Lowering the voting age for the Scottish referendum could endanger the legitimacy of the outcome. If the referendum is won or lost on a narrow majority and survey evidence seems to indicate that the balance was swung by 16- and 17-year-olds, the losers may refuse to accept the result.

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Inaki Sagarzazu

These initiatives are plainly symbolic”

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Dr Inaki Sagarzazu, University of Glasgow

Lowering the age of voting beyond 18 years has been a new trend brought about by what it seems to be an increased political engagement of the under 18 population. Several countries in Latin America have either lowered the voting age or attempted to do so in recent years.

However, with the typical lower participation rate of the younger population it begs the question of what are the motivations behind the implementation of these changes?

Research on voter turnout has consistently found, across different countries and systems of government, that participation at the lower age range is much lower than the average turnout rate.

This means that despite what seems to be an active youth engagement in political activities the reality is that the younger generations vote less.

Inaki Sagarzazu

  • Lecturer in comparative politics at University of Glasgow

This lower participation is tied to an electorate that is on average less interested in politics than older cohorts. However, despite this reality governments in Latin America - and other regions - are actively promoting the reduction of the voting age population to under 18's.

Rafael Correa in Ecuador, Hugo Chavez in Venezuela and Christina Kirchner are amongst the leaders promoting these initiatives. It seems that given the evidence against any significant participatory rate amongst the younger electorate these initiatives are plainly symbolic.

 

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  • rate this
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    Comment number 680.

    As a 16 year old myself, I find some of the comments posted very offensive. People demonize today's youth as criminals, spongers and neds, yet statistics show that the youth of today commit far less crimes than previous generations and are making better choices (drug and alcohol wise), while also being far more likely to be victims of crime. A vote at 16 will force politicians to care about youth.

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    Comment number 679.

    Yet another example of children being forced to grow up more quickly. I do not think the voting age should be reduced as 18 represents an age at which "children" become adults - this should remain. The reason for the current debate is the SNP's synical attempt to skew the vote on independance in their favour in Scotland as children may be less aware of how damaging this would be for the country.

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    Comment number 678.

    No. you don't (generally) have enough life experience to be able to use your vote in any meaningful way.

    The only reason Mr. Salmond wants Scottish 16 year olds to be able to vote is because he cynically knows that at that age they are more likely to be young and idealistic and so vote SNP.

  • rate this
    +3

    Comment number 677.

    I hope the 16-17 year olds realise they are simply being used in this matter. With no assurance that the voting age will be lowered for general elections these youngsters are simply being used to further Mr Salmonds own agenda and little else.

    I hope they can see that they are simply being 'played'.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 676.

    I wish I could have voted at 16/17. I would have voted against being the first year to endure university tuition top up fees. And even if they still went ahead at least I would feel like I got a say in it rather than it being forced upon me. And if enough of my generation could have voted against it as we all wanted to do, then students now may not be having to pay up to £9000 for university.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 675.

    So Professor Vernon Bogdanor thinks that lowering the voting age will "reignite interest of the young in politics"? I think not, unless and until there is a real choice between the parties' policies.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 674.

    651.ace_molecatcher
    At 16, the majority of people don't have sufficient life experience to exercise sound judgement when voting for those who are going to rule our lives

    =>That's part of the problem. They should be educated far earlier in school and home that politicians are meant to SERVE, not rule,

  • rate this
    +6

    Comment number 673.

    "I'm 17. I'm interested in politics- in fact, I'm a member of a political party. I use public services more than most other people- but have no say in how they're run"

    But you presumably don't pay for them? After a few years working any paying taxes you may change your mind. I certainly did. That's not a criticism of the young, just a fact of life.

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    Comment number 672.

    There are evident merits to broadening the franchise. I used to recruit people of this age for jobs of varying, but meaningful responsibility. I was usually impressed by their opinions and reasoning. However, if the voting age is lowered based on benchmark attributed maturity, then there is a case for all other age barred entitlements - or allowances - to be reviewed and adjusted correspondingly.

  • rate this
    -2

    Comment number 671.

    646.Little_Old_Me
    643.Wideboy -

    STILL touting that LIE are we?

    As you know full well, 80% of the debt inherited by the Coalition came form bailing out the banks - a move both Coalition parties supported.....

    =
    It's not a lie
    125Bn out of the 700Bn in 2008 was due to the banks, only 3.4bn was lost on black wednesday, labour left with a 150Bn deficit. Just Wiki it mate

  • rate this
    -1

    Comment number 670.

    @224 'Rebecca Riot'
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    Sorry to rain on your usual parade, but the young, the old and everyone in between can see and feel the damage caused right now. Yet you churn out your predictable rhetoric.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 669.

    Can 16 and 17 year olds be trusted with the vote. Yes and certainly more so that the 60 to 70 year olds who keep voting Tory.

    They also seem to be more trustworthy with their vote than most people in Essex (I would stop people in Essex voting as they clearly can't behave themselves!). Likewise Lincolnshire where people seem to vote Tory most of the time.

    So yes give 16 to 17 year olds the vote!

  • rate this
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    Comment number 668.

    The only reason I can see for allowing 16 and 17 year olds to vote in the Scotland referendum is to increase the yes vote. They can easily be swayed by the 'Braveheart' effect. At least they will rue their decision for a longer period than 18+ year olds.

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    Comment number 667.

    I saw genuine excitement in a Sixth Form tutor group when the first election that they were old enough to vote in came around. The buzz faded once the results were in, and they saw how little influence votes have on what 'elected' politicians actually do - same old self-interest first never mind what was promised to get those votes. Civic duty is dead, no concept of public service once elected.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 666.

    Perhaps the debate around voting age being reduced to 16 is a bit of a red herring. Instead a more general definition of 'adult' age should be defined for sex, marriage, serving in armed forces, alcohol/fags, voting, driving etc, etc.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 665.

    658.poloniumandrats - "...a better system is to abandon the age based system, and have a short test on politics before being allowed to vote, thus ensuring that people who do vote are making an informed decision."


    Great idea but the headbangers on left & right would kick up such a fuss when their blind obiedence to whichever party, regardless of actual policies, cost them their vote.....

  • rate this
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    Comment number 664.

    In Scotland you legally become an adult at the age of 16, whereas in the rest of the UK that age is 18. It's only logical that 16 year old's, or 'adults' should be allowed to vote in Scotland.
    At the age of 16 you are required to contribute tax on what you earn, but have absolutely no say on how it is spent, if 16 year olds are not allowed to vote they should not have to contribute.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 663.

    This is all a Westminster game to interfere with Scottish Independence thinly veiled as a general voting rights debate.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 662.

    618. behindthefrogs....if you put these restrictions on 16-17 year olds why not the same for everyone! I think they should keep the vote to 18. I don't think they are incapable, I'm no spring chicken and I struggle to understand what these politicians really mean. Alex Salmond though will do anything to get his Yes vote and he's just exploiting the teenagers in my opinion.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 661.

    If it won't make any difference, there's no harm in it. Just do it.

 

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