Life sentences 'to be mandatory for more crimes'

Teenage boy holding a knife (posed by model) Currently, only those convicted of murder face a mandatory life term

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Mandatory life sentences will for the first time be extended to crimes other than murder under plans set out by Justice Secretary Ken Clarke.

Anyone convicted of a second serious sexual or violent crime in England and Wales would get an automatic life term.

A new offence for 16 and 17-year-olds of threatening with a knife would also carry a mandatory custodial term.

Labour's Sadiq Khan welcomed the knife measure but said other changes could see dangerous offenders freed.

Mr Clarke is proposing to scrap indeterminate sentences, introduced by Labour, which prevent offenders being freed until the parole board has ruled they no longer pose a danger to the public. Describing them as "failed", he said he wanted to bring in "more certain sentences".

"We've got 6,000 people languishing in prison, 3,000 of whom have gone beyond the tariff set by the judge, and we haven't the faintest idea when, if ever, they are going to get out," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.


Ask Ken Clarke whether he has changed his knife crime policy because of pressure from backbenchers and he does something rather odd for a politician. He agrees.

Point out his "two strikes" plan did not appear in the government's green paper on sentencing, and he cheerfully admits he only came up with the phrase as he drew up his latest press release.

So has this left-leaning Tory bruiser been floored by colleagues on the right and forced into a "tough on crime" package? Perhaps.

But he says most offenders who will get mandatory life sentences for two serious crimes would get the same treatment at judges' discretion under the existing system.

He has stuck with plans to scrap Labour's indeterminate sentencing policy.

And he is to consult on changes that could make it easier for prisoners already serving indeterminate sentences to get released.

The justice secretary knows he has to present a robust case to keep his colleagues and the public happy.

He also knows he has to cut costs, so cannot afford to keep too many people locked away.

We will need much more detail before we know whether this is as tough on criminals, and his budget, as Mr Clarke's spin doctors would have us believe.

"It's a gross injustice, a bit of a stain on our system."

Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith said the government should increase the number of prison places if the new sentencing policy resulted in more people being sent to jail.

Speaking on BBC One's Question Time programme, he said the government "has to allocate the resources" if there is a need for more places.

'Near murderous'

Meanwhile Mr Khan, the shadow justice secretary, said the plan "does not address the problem of unreformed offenders who have completed their sentence being released to commit crime and inflict harm on the public".

He added: "Under this government's plans, offenders who are a danger to the public could still be released from prison. They are taking an unnecessary risk with public safety."

Mr Clarke said the new automatic life sentences would apply to somebody who had committed two "probably near murderous attacks".

The Ministry of Justice (MoJ) confirmed the changes would not apply retrospectively to current prisoners, but Mr Clarke told the BBC he would consult on rule changes that could make it easier for prisoners currently serving indeterminate sentences to be released.

Mr Clarke said the parole board "hardly ever releases anybody", adding: "The parole board ought to have a positive reason for wanting people to stay in rather than them having to prove it's safe to let them out."

Justice campaigners said they were concerned about the proposals, revealed a day after Mr Clarke told MPs that judges should have discretion over sentencing and said mandatory sentences were not the British way.

On Tuesday, Mr Clarke told MPs mandatory sentencing was "rather an American thing" and to have a situation in which, for example, a 13 was automatically imprisoned without a judge being able to use his discretion would "rather go against how we normally approach the sentencing of juveniles".

Asked whether he had changed his mind since then, Mr Clarke said he had not, although some people had tried to "carefully select little bits of what I said" to suggest a U-turn.

He said he remained "flatly against" the idea of mandatory jail terms for under 16s, but was creating the new offence for 16 and 17 year-olds which would result in automatic detention.

'Clear message'

Those convicted under the knife crime proposals, announced on Wednesday evening, would face four-month detention and training orders. Automatic jail terms are already planned for adults.

What is a life sentence?

  • For most life terms, judge sets minimum time offender must spend in jail before consideration for release on licence by parole board
  • Offender is also subject to certain conditions for life - just one of which is prison. Others could include a curfew, electronic tag or ban from a given area
  • If released on licence, offender is under supervision of probation service
  • Offenders stay under licence for life
  • If licence terms broken, offender is recalled to prison

Source: Ministry of Justice

"Clearly any extension of this sentence to children requires very careful consideration," said Mr Clarke. "However, we need to send out a clear message about the seriousness of juvenile knife crime."

MoJ figures suggest between 200 and 400 teenagers aged 16 and 17 could be jailed every year for using a weapon to threaten others.

Frances Crooke, chief executive of the Howard League for Penal Reform, said she was "worried" about the proposals for mandatory life terms.

"We have nearly 12,000 life sentence prisoners - that's more than Russia, Poland, German and France all added together," she said.

"We are using the mandatory life sentence and discretionary life sentences like confetti already and it is causing huge problems in prisons."

Juliet Lyon, director of the Prison Reform Trust, said: "Subject to good sentencing guidelines, what's wrong with allowing the courts to make sure that the sentence fits the crime?"

Meanwhile, Desmond Hudson, chief executive of the Law Society, which represents solicitors, warned that expanding mandatory life sentences to cover more offences was not the way to replace the indeterminate sentences.

"Both measures will erode the sentencing judge's discretion to find the most appropriate penalty," he said.

Further planned changes to the sentencing regime in courts include:

  • Extending the category of the most serious sexual and violent offences to include child sex offences, terrorism offences and "causing or allowing the death of a child" so that the new provisions will apply to them
  • The Extended Determinate Sentence (EDS) - all dangerous criminals convicted of serious sexual and violent crimes will be imprisoned for at least two-thirds of their sentence, ending the release of these offenders at the halfway stage
  • Offenders convicted of the most serious sexual and violent crimes in this category will not be released before the end of their sentence without parole board approval
  • Extended licence period - criminals who complete an EDS must then serve extended licence periods where they will be closely monitored and returned to prison if necessary
  • Courts have the power to give up to an extra five years of licence for violent offenders and eight years for sexual offenders on top of their prison sentence

The new measures will be debated in the House of Commons next week and, if passed, will be added to the Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Bill which is currently going through Parliament.


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    Comment number 232.

    Excellent news, at long last!!! When are we going to start exercising the full strength of the law with these "people". Let LIFE mean just that, LIFE! You come out in a wooden box!

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    Comment number 231.

    prisoners should do the FULL LENGTH of their sentences, not get automatically released half way through their sentence or paroled for "good behaviour" and no plea bargaining! years should only be added, not taken away. the lengths of actual time served are a JOKE. rapists should get life, not four years (out of an average eight year sentence). it's a disgrace.

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    Comment number 230.

    If the sentence for a second serious sexual offence is the same as for murder then criminals of this type would have an incentive to silence their victim as they would not receive a harsher punishment. This idea can only work if the death sentence is restored for murder

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    Comment number 229.

    @ 228 digbic78: keep the scum away from us.deny them their liberty.


    Do you know how much "liberty" the "scum" get in prison? Playstations, exercise yards, pool tables, satellite TV, it's more like a holiday camp than a punishment!

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    Comment number 228.

    re206 mr max
    you assume I beleive in redemption and forgivess?well I don't.I couldn't care less if people are to stupid to stop reoffending.we raise 600billion in taxes yearly,plenty of money to keep people locked up.that's all I see prison for.keep the scum away from us.deny them their liberty.

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    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

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    Comment number 226.

    I'd like to see more done to deter crime rather than wait for it to be committed and then give ourselves a pat on the back for harsher sentencing. I'm also concerned about the ever spiralling cost this would have on the prison service.

    "They are people who, though they haven't committed murder, are pretty murderous," he added."

    If they haven't murdered Ken then they aren't murderers.

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    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

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    Comment number 224.

    This law will increase the murder rate and make knife and victims of sexual assault more likely to be murdered.

    Mark my words.

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    Comment number 223.

    Which US State Justice code did the Tories decide to copy this one from Texas or maybe Arizona.

    This as usual with Tory policy is nothing more than a headliner looking for votes. It does nothing to correct the underlaying issues that cause these problems.

    This is a recipe to wast huge amounts of tax payers money on private firms that run prisons. Sounds a bit like jobs for mates? Lack of policy!

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    Comment number 222.

    193 Stoic - Are you serious?

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    Comment number 221.

    Mr Max, it was a rhetorical question. Of course the average poltroon does not consider the consequences of if they do, they clearly care not. Murderers do not deserve a second chance while someone guilty of manslaughter perhaps should though I also think good behaviour in jail is a given rather than a carrot for early release. Set minimums, do your time, get released. Misbehave, have it extended.

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    Comment number 220.

    i hate this "society has failed them" garbage that is touted. No it hasn't, that person, on persistently commiting violent crimes, is a danger to society; they have refused to be part of our society despite the welfare, education and myriad schemes and opportunities not available in other countries. Its time to top tolerating excuses and violent behaviour and stop telling them "its OK"

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    Comment number 219.

    As I keep pointing out and will continue to do so - we already have a death penalty without judge or jury - when a Police armed response unit "take out" an armed assailant who has either killed or has the potential to kill someone.
    Few people bat an eyelid to such summary justice and yet we have this constant clamour against the death penalty as a deterrent. Complete nonsensical rubbish!

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    Comment number 218.

    Lock em up and throw away the key

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    Comment number 217.

    All this liberal talk of giving; dont you realise we have given? Everyone has been given a place/stake in society, everyone is given (roughly) the same opportunities to be part of it. Yet, when someone refuses you say we need to give more? No. We chose society, why should we suffer those that dont want to be civilised?

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    Comment number 216.

    "Labour's shadow justice secretary Sadiq Khan said the plan "does not address the problem of unreformed offenders who have completed their sentence being released to commit crime and inflict harm on the public"."
    When will we realise that a very small (if any) percentage of violent offenders CAN be rehabilitated?

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    Comment number 215.

    What is it with this immature fixation on knives? There is a problem with youths using knives in crimminal activities. By the logic of some people if it wasn't for the 'naughty' knives these youths would be good and we wouldn't have a problem!
    Grow up and lets find the real problems and fix them.

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    Comment number 214.

    More political rhetoric from this all talk and no trousers government!
    Sounds really fine until one realizes that most of these sentences will be overturned on appeal by our wishy-washy liberal high court judges.
    Nothing will happen unless someone sorts out the legal system in Britain.

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    Comment number 213.

    We need to bring back the only repeat crime prevention device which is guaranteed to work.
    Yes I know, 25% of the population will throw up their do-goody hands in horror, but the 75% wont.
    Look at all the prison places that would free up. Look at the money it would save. £2.6Million to keep Peter Sutcliffe in high security luxury so far.


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