Is fight against terror about violence or extremism?

 
Muslims Gather To Condemn Extremism In The UK At Baitul Futuh Mosque Muslims Gather To Condemn Extremism In The UK At Baitul Futuh Mosque

Everyone is against violent extremism, right?

But what about plain extremism? That is the question at the heart of the government's review of its Prevent policy - the pre-emptive strand of Britain's counter-terrorism strategy.

The signs are that the remit is to be extended. "One of the things we were very clear about here at the Home Office", Theresa May explained this weekend, "was we needed to look at extremism, not just violent extremism".

They may be clear about it in the Home Office, but there are many voices within Parliament and within the coalition who worry where this policy may lead.

When a committee of senior MPs reported on the Prevent policy last year there was a clear warning.

"Holding extreme views is not illegal and Prevent should clearly focus on violent extremism" the MPs said.

They worried that by marginalising 'radical' but non-violent opinions, Government effectively pushes those groups beyond the democratic process. "No organisation, unless proscribed," the committee concluded, "should be excluded from debate and discussions."

'Lazy indifference'

The same argument was made by the Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg last March. "Smart engagement" he said, means "distinguishing between violent and non-violent extremism". Organisations and individuals may hold deeply unpalatable, illiberal views, he noted, "but you don't win a fight by leaving the ring".

The context of this philosophical debate is, of course, the tangible threat from Al-Qaeda inspired terrorism. When the Prevent policy was introduced by the last Labour government, the issue was the same - should Government work with or against radical but non-violent voices within Muslim communities?

Five years ago Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly said she would focus funding on those groups who "are determined to take on the extremists and defend values that the vast majority of us share".

Theresa May has said something almost identical in the last couple of days: "We are looking at a set of values we believe we have here in the UK and those people opposed to those values are people who the Government won't be funding or engaging with".

Theresa May The government is taking a gamble by conflating the issues

Critics warn such a policy risks achieving the opposite of its aim - that those organisations excluded gain credibility by being seen to be challenging secular liberal Western culture, while those given a governmental tick of approval lose credibility.

Last year's report on Prevent put it this way: "The Government's current approach to engagement with Muslim organisations has given the impression that there are 'good' and 'bad' forms of Islam - some endorsed by the Government, others not," the MPs noted. "Government interference in theological matters must be avoided."

David Cameron spoke recently of how, at the root of the problem, are Muslims who may reject violence but "who accept various parts of the extremist worldview including real hostility towards Western democracy and liberal values".

A recent report by Robert Lambert and Jonathan Githens-Mazer from the European Muslim Research Centre at the University of Exeter accused the Prime Minister of a "lazy indifference" to the range of groups and movements within Islamic activism.

"It is the equivalent to saying that any form of right leaning politics succours fascism, and not bothering to disaggregate the historical trajectories of organisations such as the Tory Party, the US Republican Party, France's Front Nationale and Mussolini's Black Shirts."

The government's gamble is that by conflating the threat from terrorism and Islamism in the same breath, that expanding the target from stopping illegality to silencing ideology, that making it about values rather than simply violence, Prevent becomes more effective in preventing terrorism. There are many who worry it may make matters worse.

 
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    Comment number 97.

    Hmm.. but some extemist views advocate violence even if their supporters don't use in in campaigning. Those that would make homosexuality illegal, for example, or (to my mind) the much larger group that favours the illegality of some drugs.

    If a group, while not using violence, advocate it what then? Will not their target group feel equally threatened?

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    Comment number 96.

    From my perspective ANYONE who holds a religeous belief is extremist. How else could you describe somebody who strongly believes in somthing that not only there is no evidence for but contradicts scientific fact?

    This legisation goes against freedom of speech and is the first step to a policed state.

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    Comment number 95.

    If the govt is serious about tackling terrorism then the best way to do this, IMO, is to cut immigration and to make sure that we do not let anyone into the UK that cannot be deported back to their country of origin.

    Simples - it isn't rocket science - just common sense

    (and yes we know that some terror is home grown from those who we've helped and simply just hate us)

    Keep 'trying' Mr Easton

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    Comment number 94.

    "Government interference in theological matters must be avoided". Correct. No government is qualified to rule on whether the Pope is infallible on Catholic doctrine, or whether Jesus was a disciple or precursor of Mohammed. But when it comes to dishing out the dosh - sorry. The government may not have our hearts and minds, but it has us by the wallet, and is ultimate arbitrer of who gets the dosh.

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    Comment number 93.

    Is there another religion whose organisations received direct government funding simply for being non-violent? Can satanist or atheist groups get taxpayers’ money if they are filled with hate but say they don’t want to kill? Have I missed some lucrative scam that’s been available to all of us? Seems to me like favouritism towards Islam, not persecution.

    Why?

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    Comment number 92.

    90 BluesBerry:
    May's plan would certainly upset me if I was Islamic. e.g. Why am I, why are my children being singled out when it is Christians that are persecuting us
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    Where are Christians persecuting Muslims? UK gov’t seems to have very few Christians in it and UK society is mostly secular.

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    Comment number 91.

    86 BluesBerry:
    How can potential extremists respect values when they see UK behaving contrary to them. Do you think they think the war in Iraq was legal? What about the bombing of Libya?
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    Reasonable to a point. But Libya bombing had UN and Arab League backing so seems legal. And none of it excuses hate-filled radicalisation - which is a reality, with sometimes murderous tendencies.

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    Comment number 90.

    Quilliam (think tank) said move was step in right direction but could be easily undermined by weak understanding of Islamism & lack of clarity over methodology.
    I add plan is also undercut by the concentration on Islam vs HATE. May's plan would certainly upset me if I was Islamic. e.g. Why am I, why are my children being singled out when it is Christians that are persecuting us?

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    Comment number 89.

    Nice concise report, Mark.
    Apparently, 2 Yorkshire cities selected as priority areas in renewed campaign against home-grown terrorism. Ministers selected Leeds & Bradford - 2 of 25 areas where funding will be targeted. They hope to stop British Muslims being radicalised -new focus on tackling pro-terrorist ideologies & challenging extremism in schools, universities & net.

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    Comment number 88.

    May outlined attempt to stop hate-preachers targeting inmates. Apparently Former Shadow Home Secretary David Davis revealed he received letter from Muslim inmate - high security prison - writing inappropriate teachings re Islam.
    I fear that unless May gets rid of her Islam kick, fruitless. Hate is hate whether it be Christian, Jewish, Hindu...May should focus not on Islam, but on hate.


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    Comment number 87.

    How will the govt prove effectiveness of its funding?
    She also promised a fresh effort to tackle radicalisation at universities – including training staff to recognise signs of radicalisation (What are these signs?). She angered institutions by accusing them of being “complacent” about what has been happening on campuses. Is this the "May" version of democracy or human rights?

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    Comment number 86.

    Mrs May said funding should be rigorously prioritised & comprehensively audited, saying money would only now be given to groups which support British values of democracy, human rights & equality & participate in society.
    How can potential extremists respect values when they see UK behaving contrary to them. Do you think they think the war in Iraq was legal? What about the bombing of Libya?

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    Comment number 85.

    Undoubtedly, there were, and probably still are, Catholic and Protestant priests and ministers active within terrorist organisations in Ireland and many more were active in promoting those organisations. At the time, UKGov policy seemed to be to turn a blind eye.

    If it was right for that problem, is it right now for a different one?

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    Comment number 84.

    I don't see why government should fund religions anyway - including, broadly, atheism and humanism. I would though make an exception for science (which, contrary to popular belief, does not hold all the answers to life, the universe and everything).

    Personally, I'd prefer to keep my religious / spiritual views independent of government anyway.

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    Comment number 83.

    I don't for a moment think that all Muslim groups promote hatred of others. But if a group does, why should government subsidise them?

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    Comment number 82.

    Some posts confuse withdrawing gov't funding from a group with banning or trying to silence it. They are not the same thing.

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    Comment number 81.

    Not all extremisms are equal.

    Extreme concern for those you think may end up in hell vs. extreme desire to send them there quickly.

    Extreme love for your enemies (promoted by Jesus) vs. extreme effort to hurt them (promoted by …).

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    Comment number 80.

    I'd have thought that the encroachment of ‘Bushism’ on UK's politics had ended with the previous government. I'm afraid it's still alive and kicking. I wonder who is advising Teresa May. Dick Cheny and Donald Rumsfeld, perhaps?

    Gart Valenc
    http://www.stopthewarondrugs.org

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    Comment number 79.

    77.divadlo

    I know what you mean. I took hallucinogens once, too.

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    Comment number 78.

    Extremism is not that (as so often claimed) which departs somewhat from the commonplace, or a norm. It is that which is so far removed as could be conceivably possible.

    So let's think what that might mean and address it, or admit we can't cope with simple difference, perhaps.

 

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