Should there be child-free zones on planes and trains?

 
Toddler on a plane

An airline says it will offer baby-free "quiet zones" on its flights. Should all planes and trains follow suit, or do adults need to learn to live with child passengers?

At 35,000ft, the klaxon-like howl of a distressed toddler screeches through a pressurised cabin.

For travellers already stressed by lengthy security checks, crammed into cramped seating and unnerved by the very fact of being so high above ground, it's almost enough to make them shatter the Plexiglas windows and jump.

And it's a source of anxiety for the embarrassed parents, too, desperately trying to pacify their wailing offspring while facing disapproving stares from fellow adults.

One airline is offering what it says is a solution. Budget carrier Air Asia says from February it will provide a "quiet zone" for passengers aged 12 and over at no extra cost.

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Separated from the rest of the cabin by toilets and bulkheads, these seven rows of economy class seats should be immune from the sound of infant tantrums, the company claims.

It is following the example of Malaysia Airlines, which in April announced it would limit families with children sitting on the upper deck of its Kuala Lumpur to London service.

For the childless and the easily irritable, it may be a blessed relief.

Equally, many parents will surely be disgruntled at the suggestion they should be segregated from other passengers like second-class citizens.

But others accustomed to getting around with offspring in tow can see the point.

Cathy Winston, 35, who runs the MummyTravels blog about her journeys with her 10-week-old daughter, is planning to fly both of them to the Spanish island of Lanzarote in November.

She is determined that her love of travelling should not be curtailed. But she believes a dedicated family compartment would at least mean she wouldn't have to worry about reproachful looks.

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Cathy Winston

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"I know from before I had my daughter what it's like when you're trying to get some sleep and there's a baby crying," she says.

"If I knew that all the people around me had chosen to sit there, it would take some of the stress off."

Hitherto, the sound of noisy or distressed children was one that all users of mass transit were expected to tolerate.

Typically, UK train operators which provide "quiet coaches" instruct commuters not to use their phones and ensure music devices aren't heard by other passengers - but no mention is made of infant noise pollution.

Certainly, there appears to be support for segregation. In April, a survey of 1,666 British adults by Jetcost.co.uk found that 53% supported child-free flights.

A poll by Tripadvisor in August found that over a third of Britons would be prepared to pay extra to travel by air without the presence of children.

But although airlines could presumably charge a healthy premium for the privilege of no-infant compartments, there might be logistical difficulties.

What about in restaurants?

The continuous wail of two nearby infants, caterwauling at subtly different pitches, can be enough to disrupt the gastronomic experience of even the hardiest of diners.

And a similar level of stress can be suffered by parents with young children, as they garner irked looks from the childless adults two tables away.

But people with young children don't stop wanting to have some sort of social life.

Sensitive parents have a social sword of Damocles hanging over them. Many sit there aghast at the thought that the noise or behaviour of their children is about to spark upset at another table.

In smaller aircraft, with different layouts to those used by Air Asia and Malaysia Airlines, screening off the sound of crying children will not always be practical. Adult-only flights would mean reducing the number of available customers, and thus have a negative impact on profitability.

And perhaps most importantly, introducing segregation would risk infuriating families who resent the idea they should be treated as second-class citizens.

After all, there are no separate schedules or compartments for adults who impinge on the peace and quiet of others by snoring, for instance, or taking off their shoes to unleash malodorous feet.

Arguably, part of the deal when travelling in economy class or on low-cost carriers is that you have to put up with other people's irritating habits in extremely close quarters.

Simon Calder, travel editor of the Independent, has taken his two daughters around the world with him. He believes families who pay for their tickets should not be discriminated against.

"I very, very much think that people need to be tolerant," he says. "People who have a problem with children on flights need to get over it.

"If they don't like it, I have two words for them - ear plugs. We're living in the 21st Century where people have iPods."

Perhaps, while they're listening, they can play a lullaby.

 

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  • rate this
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    Comment number 43.

    YES !

  • rate this
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    Comment number 42.

    YES, YES YES YES

    i hate having to take the bus/train or indeed fly knowing that parents have taken their children with them, the majority of the time they start screaming their head off with the parents unable to shut them up

  • rate this
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    Comment number 41.

    I've been on big ships with child free policies - highly recommended. There should be scores of types of kid free zones in society - just sit them in front of the telly and let us get on with civilised life...

  • rate this
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    Comment number 40.

    It's just part of life as people travel more widely with their (young) familes. It's unavoidable however what is avoidable is parents bringing up their children properly and to teach them to respect other's peace and quiet. I travelled with my kids from a very young age and if they were noisy they were told to be quiet. It's not rocket science!

  • rate this
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    Comment number 39.

    As a regular flier I tend to find I have more of a problem with anti-social fellow passengers rather than children.

    The majority of people on earth have experienced or will experience the delights of keeping a toddler entertained so whilst you can sit in your ivory tower now and complain about other peoples children, one day it will be yours so good luck with that!

  • rate this
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    Comment number 38.

    Absolutely yes.

    It's not hard to simply designate an area of a plane as "no under 18 passengers"

    Headphones only work so much. Kids clambering about, kicking the back of your chair, screaming etc.

    And the irony is - usually, the kids that are badly behaved are the offspring of parents who literally couldn't care less that they are making your flight a nightmare

  • rate this
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    Comment number 37.

    It isn't a problem of not liking kids - it's a problem of really disliking parents who do nothing to stop their offspring kicking seats in front, running up and down aisles shouting, or having unjustified temper tantrums.
    If a parent has provided books / games / activities / mp3 players etc to alleviate boredom, well done to them!

  • rate this
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    Comment number 36.

    Absolutely yes - flying is a highly stressful experience for many people and passengers who aren't contributing to that stress should enjoy the benefit of a restful flight.

    The parents who choose to take their children with them can all 'enjoy' the fruits of their labour together.....!

  • rate this
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    Comment number 35.

    Yeah why not. At least then if I'm flying with my kids, I'd get to be with other parents who will probably understand if mine are misbehaving. There's nothing more embarrassing when my kids do play-up in a public place. Kids have rubbish days too, just like the adults!

  • rate this
    -9

    Comment number 34.

    I travel with my kids, and when airlines decide to not sell child seats at adult prices then i would entertain 'Child Free Zones' but until then, my 2 year old daughter was the better behaved of the football team on tour on my last flight to the continent, her flight and seat was paid for, and if she decides to cry on the plane, well so be it.

  • rate this
    +19

    Comment number 33.

    Really young kids struggle to deal with the drop in air pressure, causing sinus pain and headaches. They shouldn't be flying.

  • rate this
    +6

    Comment number 32.

    The entire world should be child-free! The necessary (and minimal) re-population could be achieved by cloning sensible adults (like me!)

  • rate this
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    Comment number 31.

    13.Alex Banks
    I simply fished out my noise cancelling earphones

    Bingo. Sovles the problem of the crying baby, the passengers who won't shut up while poeple are trying to sleep etc. Surely this is a better way for airline to give people a better flight instead of segregating the families, and would cost less than refurbing the planes they want to have it on?

  • rate this
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    Comment number 30.

    There's a much cheaper solution: earplugs. For a few pennies at your local DIY shop, you can buy little foam pieces of blessed quiet. I never travel without them!

    Should you wish to listen to music or watch a video, there are in-ear noise cancelling earbuds that have foam seals. These also work to block out ambient noise.

  • rate this
    +11

    Comment number 29.

    Child-free? I would've thought noise-free/quiet areas are nearer the mark. Recent flight to Amsterdam marred by being ”trapped” in the row in front of 3 lads whose idea of having a fun start to their holiday was by conversing loudly and aggressively in sentences where every other word began with “F” or “C”. Give me the company of babies/toddlers over such individuals any day.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 28.

    And while we are at it, how about banning other kinds of people too off planes and other public areas as well: the irritating always-on-the-phone types, the singing-too-loudly-with-the-earphones types, the overly chatty, perpetually curious, the ones that fall asleep and block your way to the toilet, etc.

    Public spaces are just that, public. You can't have the same thing there you have at home!

  • rate this
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    Comment number 27.

    Some 20 years ago a male passenger was seated next to a young woman with a small fractious baby who cried nigh on continuously from Singapore to London. The woman obviously a new mum, was embarassed and he willingly helped her in her plight. As they disembarked she thanked him profusely while bemoaning the fact that her husband refused to sit with them - he was ten rows back. True story!

  • rate this
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    Comment number 26.

    2. andysuth

    It's not a question of not liking them. Simply not wanting to hear them yelling and shrieking all the way through a long flight. There is no point in paying extra for Business Class - they are allowed to travel in there too - even tiny babies.....

  • rate this
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    Comment number 25.

    Errr ... No.

    Instead we should have Uptight Angry Adult-Free Zones ...

  • rate this
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    Comment number 24.

    Noisy children (at least when they are babies or toddlers) are a fact of life; more concerned about disturbance from alcohol swigging louts, tinny squealing’s from overloud earphones and intrusive in-flight movies that can’t be avoided. Just give me a book and leave me in peace.
    good grief - I AM getting old!

 

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