Battle of Hastings: Does it matter exactly where it happened?

 
William the Conqueror, Crowhurst, Bayeux tapestry, Crowhurst Manor, road sign, parish council noticeboard

A new book claims King Harold was defeated by William the Conqueror two miles away from the official battlefield. But does the precise location really matter?

As you wander around the fields and lanes of Crowhurst in East Sussex it's not easy to picture one of the bloodiest and most decisive clashes in British history.

The village's cow-nibbled pasture and handsome wisteria-lined cottages seem like they could not be further removed from the carnage and devastation of the Norman conquest - or, indeed, from the tourist clamour that surrounds nearby Battle Abbey, where historians have traditionally believed the English army was routed in 1066.

But according to new research, Crowhurst may have a darker and more violent history than its placid modern-day appearance may suggest.

A book argues that the village and its surrounding fields was the real site of the Battle of Hastings, which placed a foreign ruler on England's throne and, many historians attest, led to the transformation of the national culture and language.

It's a development that appears to have taken Crowhurst by surprise.

Almost a millennium down the line there are few echoes of a more violent past in this settlement of fewer than 900 souls, populated by sturdy family homes with names like Cedar Dale and Badger's Croft, where the parish council noticeboard seems more concerned with the upkeep of the recreation ground and the village hall committee than the military history of the Middle Ages.

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Tony Pollard

Dr Tony Pollard, director of the Centre for Battlefield Archaeology at the University of Glasgow

"The archaeology with something like Hastings would be invaluable in terms of understanding what happened, why Harold's army lost and so on.

"The problem is that what's going to be left will be iron weaponry and iron doesn't preserve well over time.

"If you are going to understand the history properly, you need to understand the terrain. And if you don't have the right sites, you can't hope to protect them.

"To my mind, you don't have to move the visitor centre if new evidence shows the location is different. But people's perception of the site changes.

"I think people do appreciate if you say we have evidence that the battle took place here. It's much easier for visitors to make that leap of faith."

Two miles away in the town of Battle, by contrast, it's hard to escape reminders that this has long been thought the site of the clash. Tourists throng towards the visitor centre with its interactive displays. In the grounds of the abbey is a marker at the spot where King Harold was supposedly killed by an arrow in his eye, or ridden down by a Norman knight, depending on your interpretation of the Bayeux Tapestry.

Whether or not Crowhurst really is the true location of the combat zone, Battle is clearly the place indelibly associated with its legacy. And this raises the question of how important it is, if at all, to match known historical events to present-day locations.

For Nick Austin, author of Secrets Of The Norman Invasion, the book which claims Crowhurst as the real Hastings site, accuracy is everything. He insists that without understanding the true topography and layout of the battlefield, historians can never fully gain an insight into events from the past.

"When you know the real site and what was involved in trying to defend it, you get an insight into what was going on in Harold's mind," he says.

"Tourists want to see heritage - that's why they go to Battle Abbey. But they're being misled. The truth is demanding to come out."

Austin believes the Bayeux Tapestry offers clues which show the confrontation took place around Crowhurst. In contrast, English Heritage has maintained that the unusual hillside location of Battle Abbey can only be explained if it was the site of the fighting.

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Whichever side is right, Hastings finds itself in good company. There are plenty of examples of hugely important clashes whose exact co-ordinates are the subject of dispute.

The Battle of Bosworth, which proved decisive in bringing the Tudors to the English throne, has been claimed by a number of sites. The exact location of the Battle of Stow on the Wold - the last major skirmish of the English Civil War - has also been widely contested.

And archaeologists have long argued over the whereabouts of significant Roman-era events like the Battle of Mons Graupius, as well as the later Battle of Dun Nechtain, fought in 685 between Picts and Northumbrians.

For this reason, there are those who question whether pinpointing such events is really all that important.

Prof Richard Sharpley of the University of Central Lancashire is an expert in "dark tourism" - visits to sites of death and disaster. He believes that geographical authenticity can be important for locations that have witnessed tragic events relatively recently, such as World War I battlefields where trenches have been carefully preserved.

Where did it take place?

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  • Historian Nick Austin believes the topography depicted in the Bayeux tapestry suggests the clash took place around Crowhurst Manor, not the site of Battle Abbey
  • He also argues that the land around Battle was much more valuable and neither side would have wanted to stage a pitched fight there
  • But English Heritage believes there is little reason to conclude that Battle was not the venue
  • Supporters of the traditional site say the Abbey was built in an awkward and inaccessible location - the monks would not have bothered locating it there were it not for the association with the battlefield

But in terms of the more distant past, where the landscape displays little obvious trace of what once occurred, he argues the connection is far more nebulous - and, as such, he sees little point in raking over Crowhurst and Battle's rival claims.

"It doesn't matter from a tourist point of view," he says. "You go to a lot of battlefields and there is very little physical evidence left of what happened there.

"You're finding out about it through the visitor centre, not the site itself. The marker becomes the event."

Certainly, whatever the merits of the competing Hastings sites, Crowhurst does not feel like a place expecting to become a major visitor attraction any time soon.

Judging by the posters on the village's lamp-posts, the populace is paying closer attention to the forthcoming jumble sale and Halloween costume party.

In the pub, the Plough, landlady Annette Downey, 36, says locals are intrigued by the claims and are quietly proud of their community's long history. But she adds that few would ever hope to compete with their near-neighbour's tourist infrastructure, built up over centuries.

"Crowhurst's a tiny little place," she says. "Battle will always get the attention. It's been the focus for so long, and I can't really see that changing."

 

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  • rate this
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    Comment number 207.

    The Normans were a dreadful lot, and they had a terrible impact on England. Furthermore, you can still see the impact on English society today.

    An exact site for our Anglo-Saxon defeat might provide some comfort for our sorrows.

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    Comment number 206.

    @204.L A Odicean ever heard of the Battle of Crowhurst?
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    In 1066 "Crowhurst" may not have been on the map and brought into being because crows, being scavengers, would have feasted on the dead warriors. hurst : a grove or wooded hillock.

    Strangely the area to the rear of the battlefield is alleged to have been wooded... and a hillock a good advantage point for Harold to defend.

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    Comment number 205.

    @ 201. Caroline
    "I live in Battle and I have NO idea where Crowhurst Manor".

    I lived nearby in Telham for 5 years. You will find the remains of the 12th century Crowhurst Manor in Forwood Lane - about 3 miles from you. It's close to the church there. It's walking distance from Crowhurst Station. I suggest you try to get out more often. :-)

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    Comment number 204.

    Has the world gone mad? The clue as to where the battle took place is in the name, but the archaeologists and historians have gone for the wrong one. The place is HASTINGS not Battle . It would be called The Battle of Battle if it happened in Battle. Just a little common sense. As for Crowhurst - has anyone anywhere ever heard of the Battle of Crowhurst? I think not.

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    Comment number 203.

    One would hope the book puts the arguments in a more compelling fashion than the "tapestry says so" and "let's fight at the cheap end of the field" reasoning suggested in the article!

    Of course it matters where important events in history took place. But more importantly you need reasonable evidence before you make any claim for something to have happened anywhere.

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    Comment number 202.

    I am surprised academics have not completed field trips to find this out.

    If not for history, they could use applied mathematics / probability areas.

    Field tests could be conducted to apply facts to the science used.
    Both proved conclusively if lots of bits of arrows etc. from 1066.

    I could use statistics to win the lottery.
    Unfortunately I have not managed to get science and balls to agree.

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    Comment number 201.

    I live in Battle and I have NO idea where Crowhurst Manor is.... I think they made it up.

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    Comment number 200.

    196. zzgrark

    . . now there is the start of the argument! research suggests that we are still 90% genetically what we were pre-roman invasion, That includes scots/welsh/irish/english. we share our genetic origins with NW Spain and not Celtic Europe. We were cultural celt and not etnic celt. And the invaders were in insufficient numbers to dilute the gene pool! tee hee! go figure . . .

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    Comment number 198.

    21. Jonn
    Why was "Battle Abbey was built in the "wrong" place"?

    I'm not surprised. Have to seen the price of of property in Crowhurst?

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    Comment number 197.

    been saying this for years

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    Comment number 196.

    69.Gavin

    Re your comment on the Anglo-Scandinvian vs Scandinavian-Frankish-Breton bother 900+ years ago. You do know that there was a great deal of Angle settlement into (what is now) the southern & eastern Scottish lowlands pre- C10th? So there's a good chance you are as 'English' as most in England.

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    Comment number 195.

    For goodness sake get a life! This was 945 years ago. Does it REALLY matter no where the battle happened? Ask yourself these questions: Will it make your or my life very different if the battle site was a few miles away? No! Will anyone die or be seriously injured if it is wrong? No! Will people starve if it is wrong? No! Come on BBC, there are so many far more important things to discuss!

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    Comment number 194.

    "None of them conquered the ancient Kingdom of Cent."
    William of Normandy conquered Kent immediately after the Battle of Hastings and fortified Dover. The legend that the men of Kent ambushed him and forced him to concede them special privileges is a much later fabrication, invented to explain Kent's unusual system of land tenure.

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    Comment number 193.

    It was "The Battle of not-Hastings".

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    Comment number 192.

    Archeology would help, there could be some iron and maybe bones left. Can only help our understanding, as in the case of the work put into Bosworth.
    As for the last successful invasion. Someone else has mentioned King Louis circa 1215 and there is also William of Orange with 15,000 Dutch soldiers, conflicts in England and Scotland, two battles in Ireland.
    Glorious Revolution was an invasion.

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    Comment number 191.

    To be fair William did earn his new nickname! He was lucky, but he was a remarkable ruler, one of the most able this country has ever had, if possibly also one of the most unpleasant. That is one reason why it would be good to know where the battle was and the almost equally remarkable Harold fell. They were much more than hoods and godfathers, both of them.
    What did happen to Cent anmyway?

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    Comment number 190.

    At the heart of the problem is lack of information, and many historians making wonderful assumptions on information left by people a thousand years ago. More often than not, they make conclusions, biased by an idea they want to push as 'fact'. No historian can state fact on something from so long ago, from evidence left by people who may themselves not known, or written by the victor. its fascile

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    Comment number 189.

    As one of the Cantwara, I am curious.

    Who is this William the Conqueror that you are all talking about?

    The only Williams of that era I know of were William the Ba#####, his son William Rufus and William of Malmesbury who was a journalist of his day.

    None of them conquered the ancient Kingdom of Cent.

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    Comment number 188.

    Sydney 185. Many thanks for your reply Sydney. We had our own Norman header "The Bruce" (Bruis)

 

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