England riots: What's the evidence gangs were behind the riots?

Rioters in Tottenham

Gangs are being blamed for last week's explosion of riots and looting. But how do we know they were responsible?

The prime minister has promised a "concerted, all out war on gangs and gang culture", in response to the riots and looting across English cities.

A gangs taskforce is being set up, to be led by Home Secretary Theresa May and Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith. Bill Bratton, former police chief of Los Angeles and New York, is to advise the government on how to crack down on gangs.

But were gangs really to blame? Here a number of experts and witnesses offer their view.

Yes: The riots were planned in advance by gangs

The speed and devastation with which the riots spread suggests they were organised.

Rioters in London Some argue that gangs were instrumental in co-ordinating the disorder

This wasn't a general uprising, says Christian Guy, policy director at think tank the Centre for Social Justice. It was a well co-ordinated operation, which is likely to have been led by young people in street gangs, he believes.

Daniel Weston, a youth worker in Brixton, says gangs in his area bided their time after the first night of violence in Tottenham.

When they were ready to strike, gang leaders used Blackberry Messenger, a closed network not visible to police, to mobilise younger gang members. Targets were identified - typically Footlocker, JD Sports and Currys - and gang members directed to them.

Normally their business is selling drugs. But during the riots they "put that to one side to" to turn their attentions to looting, he believes.

No: It was a wide spectrum of society taking part

Not all criminal young people are in gangs. Gavin Knight, who spent long periods of time "embedded" with anti-gang units for his book Hood Rat, says many see gangs where none exist: "People see a teenager in a hoodie and think it's a gang."

Rioter in London Not all of those involved in disorder fitted the usual profile of a gang member

In reality, there are few genuine gang members. And "all sorts of people" - teaching assistants, a graphic designer and university students - have been arrested for taking part in the looting.

Paul Lewis, a Guardian journalist who spent five nights observing the violence, says it's wrong to try to put the blame on one group. Everyone's looking for a caricature yet those involved were a cross section of the local community. And each riot he saw - from Hackney to Gloucester - had a distinctive character.

"There were a great number of people swept along. The only generalisation that's credible is that on the whole they were young and poor," he says.

Yes: The gangs suspended turf rivalries to maximise the damage

Most gang violence is aimed at other gangs. But during the riots the gangs appeared to join forces.

Strict territorial divides preventing young people "slipping" into rival areas were temporarily forgotten. Weston says gangs were given a "hood pass" - a slang term meaning that youths were allowed to travel into another neighbourhood.

"The gangs came together and forgot their rivalries," he says. For once, gang members from Peckham, Brixton, Clapham and Tulse Hill, allowed other's young people to move around unhindered. The informal truce didn't last long however. There have already been attacks on rival gangs to steal looted gear, he says.

No: It wasn't gang unity but friends looking for excitement

The loss of control by police in Tottenham gave young people ideas. But they weren't part of gangs, just "excitable young kids" who were easily led, says Knight.

Blackberry Much has been made of the role of BlackBerry Messenger

"It was random, chaotic activity not a co-ordinated uprising." There was no truce between gangs, the looting was simply so chaotic that normal rules ceased to apply, he says.

A lot has been made of the importance of gangs using Blackberry Messenger. But Lewis - who was receiving the messages - says BBM was not "directly determining" the action but "loosely influencing events".

The messages were more likely to be sent between friendship groups than gang associates, he believes.

Yes: Looted goods were ferried away by gangs

There were widespread reports of organised looting with rioters sometimes queuing to take goods away.

Looters in Hackney, east London According to some reports, the looting was carefully orchestrated

Andrew Malone, special correspondent for the Daily Mail, spent two hours standing outside a Panasonic shop in Ealing. He describes a scene in which younger drug runners ferried the spoils to older gang members in nearby vehicles.

"I saw people walking straight past me carrying flat screen TVs to BMWs and souped-up Golfs. There were even vans coming down."

There was a gang hierarchy at work, he believes. The youngsters had the look of the "kids" he has seen cycling around estates selling small amounts of drugs.

"It was people acting in concert in the same way you get with dealing drugs. There were juniors and seniors as well as opportunists."

Weston agrees. "The older generation were the puppet masters pulling the strings. They weren't the ones doing the looting but they were getting the stuff."

No: Riots are bad for the gang business model

The primary purpose of gangs is to make money from selling drugs. Riots are the last thing they want, says says Prof John Pitts a criminologist who advises London councils on gangs.

Rioter in Hackney Critics say politicians are wrong to talk about gang members and rioters interchangeably

"You can't sell drugs when there's a riot. There are cops everywhere."

The attraction of looting pales when you could be making several thousand pounds a day selling drugs, he argues. It may be the case that the younger gang members - who would be making amounts of £50-£100 - would see the riots as an opportunity.

"The youngsters might have got involved. But I can't see why the elders would. Cameron is talking about the rioters and gangs as if they're the same thing. I don't think they are."

Yes: If by gangs you mean gang culture

Gangs are notoriously hard things to define and have become more fractured in recent years.

But while gang members may be a statistically small part of the looting, a pervasive wider gang culture influenced many other young people to join in.

"Even if they are not acting as part of a gang, it will influence their behaviour," says Guy. "The gangs are providing the sense of expectations, leadership and values."

When Cameron talks of gangs he may be using it as a shorthand for the culture of instant gratification that commentators point to in gangsta rap, MTV and video games like Grand Theft Auto.

The gangsta aesthetic is a style popular across all types of young people but most take it with a pinch of salt. The question, says Prof Pitts, is why a certain inner city section of society takes it so seriously.

"My guess is that the kids most affected are those for whom it provides an explanation and an ennobling narrative to their life."


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    Comment number 220.

    Politicians are STILL pointing the finger of blame at everyone else but themselves. How predictable.
    This was not the work of gangs - this was disgruntled people who are sick of the cruel and horrible policies of this failing government.

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    Comment number 219.

    Dave returned from holiday after the riots were over. He now talks to us about responsibility? Elected MPs cheated on expense and stole taxpayer's money. The majority of them are still in Parliament. White collar crime seems to be less severely punished. Rioters were opportunistic criminals and should be punished but so should the members of parliament who stole from us.

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    Comment number 218.

    Whats next, a Foreign Conspiracy? When you have a system which feeds off it's most vulnerable like fleas off of dogs, they will start behaving accordingly.People NEED Hope, something UK's marginalised are devoid of. THAT is a Political problem first, Criminal problem second.
    With a bit of Hope Riots won't even be an option. But hey, finger-wagging does make Bigots feel good.

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    Comment number 217.

    RUBBISH. Here's what Cameron & Police won't admit to:-
    Stop-and-search under Sec 60 of the Criminal Justice & Public Order Act 1994 introduced for football hooligans.Allow police to search anyone in 'designated' areas without grounds for suspicion.97/98 saw 7,970 stop-and-search,increasing to149,955 in 08/09. Between 2005/09 No of Sec 60 search of blacks rose over 650% unrelated to Football.

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    Comment number 216.

    To follow on from my last comment: A government has the power to create the kind of society and the kind of culture it desires. These riots are a product of that government. First you demoralize, then you destabilize, then you create a crisis, and finally, you normalize society into the kind of system that best works for you; which for them is a total police state where they have absolute control.

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    Comment number 215.

    I don't know about gangs but professional thieves benefitted from knowing the police couldn't respond to every call whilst the widespread looting was going on. There were many crimes committed on Monday night. You should look at them in more detail.

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    Comment number 214.

    The government promotes moral relativism in every other area, yet Cameron has 'just noticed' the moral decay in society? MOD reports from years ago said riots were coming, yet it's 'taken the police by surprise'? Blair opened up the floodgates to 'change the face of Britain forever' yet we're surprised that we now have an overcrowded, underprivileged society? They knew EXACTLY what they were doing

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    Comment number 213.

    Of course gangs were involved in these riots - Blackberry messages which said 'we don't care what ends you is from', attempted murders of police (eg by car in Walthamstow), Murders by car in Birmingham, the systematic robbery of an injured student by apparent Good Samaritans... But other people were certainly involved, & that makes me think that a lot of people not in gangs are very alienated.

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    Comment number 212.

    Some of the articles on the riots on the BBC website make for cringing reading. Are our politicians and journalists so out of touch they are trying to sensationalise this into something like The Wire?! It wasn't organised by gangs, although some gang members were involved. It wasn't organised over bbm, it is merely a free service that can be used for group communication.

    Stop the blame culture.

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    Comment number 211.

    Herd mentality, consumerism and pure greed were 3 of the main causes. The others, such as political expression, took a back seat. More here: http://coffeelovingskeptic.com/?p=647

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    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

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    Comment number 209.

    This will be unpopular, I expect, but many African people ended up in America because of slavery - a trade was encouraged by the Christians who are now claiming the moral high ground. Things look so different if you know your history. Morals don't come from scripture, they come from secular law.

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    Comment number 208.

    Of course David's overseas luxery holiday was ruined, just another part of the the reason for heavy handed legislation.
    One of the issues of course are the effects of the implementation of cuts to services such as those provided for the youth as are the excellent examples set by MP's who helped themselves of the expenses pot and got away with it. Even Cameron had to pay back £600 after all

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    Comment number 207.

    To stereotype young people and offer knee jerk reactionary plans of addressing the issues, will only go to create greater resentment, which could cause future flashpoints, through heavy handed implementation as it only goes to cause disquiet, even in those that are not in anyway involved in the culture that some choose. Bringinging in a Yankee supercop, is of no use as our society is different.

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    Comment number 206.

    @195 KeithT

    However let's assume many were disaffected youth with little education.
    Any one can get an education, if they want too. For those that do not, unfortunately there are few jobs to be had on the blister end of a shovel.

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    Comment number 205.

    To see who is to blame, everyone must look in a mirror. These days success is measured by what you can buy. Evidence? Look at what was looted - mobiles, designer shoes, tv's, laptops - all trappings that we all use to signify that we are making a success of our lives. It is wrong of "the deprived" to think they are because they don't have these things but it's the society we've created.

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    Comment number 204.

    With any such event, the important question to be asked is "Who benefits?"

    When governments want to impose unpalatable, restrictive laws upon folks it first needs to give folks a reason for doing so.

    So who benefits from these riots? - why the government of course!

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    Comment number 203.

    No it wasn't. It was created because the people who make up society had enough with the law enforcement and lashed out.

    Others saw it as a crime opportunity, it's human nature to feel like you have free will, to feel like you can do whatever you want and the riots gave them that chance and feeling.

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    Comment number 202.

    Interesting--the similarity to other riots (so called in Europe and Middle East and Africa) are very similar in overall steps they take to carry out their actions. The march in the same manner, say the same things, post signs with the same wording. Point: One mind is running this! Who is it and what is their goal?

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    Comment number 201.

    195 keith t
    How representative do you mean.
    This is actual life not a representation -
    ignorant thieves, caught on CCTV,
    charged and found guilty !
    Disadvantaged ? Rubbish!
    YOU know right from wrong and
    YOU are responsible for your own actions.


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