Free banking claim is ridiculous, says Which? boss
Many commentators have argued that free banking is a myth
A claim that mis-selling at UK banks might have been avoided if fees were charged for accounts has been branded as "ridiculous".
The new chairman of Barclays said that scandals, such as the mis-selling of payment protection insurance (PPI), were the consequence of free banking.
Sir David Walker said he agreed "in principle" with the idea of charging for accounts.
But consumer group Which? said that a cultural change was needed at banks.
"It is a complete myth that banking is free. Consumers pay over £9bn a year in fees and lost interest on their current accounts and the suggestion that if banks charged more they, would stop mis-selling, is completely ridiculous," said Richard Lloyd, Which? executive director.
"Consumers should not keep having to foot the bill when the banks have let us down so badly.
"There must be fundamental change to the culture and practices of the banks, including greater transparency about the true cost of banking."
How consumers payThe PPI scandal was followed by the mis-selling of interest swaps to small businesses.
Sir David Walker has replaced Marcus Agius as the chairman of Barclays
"Because banks are not charging, it drives them inexorably into this sort of position," Sir David told the Sunday Telegraph.
He is not the first to raise questions about the link between "free" banking and mis-selling scandals.
In May, the chief regulator of the financial services industry, Andrew Bailey, said that the lack of clarity over how consumers paid for banking services had "encouraged" the mis-selling of products.
"In short, I think that the reform of retail banking in this country cannot move ahead unless we tackle the issue of free in-credit banking, and have a much better sense of what we are paying for and how we are paying," he said.
Interest foregoneThe majority of customers do not pay a fee to their bank for the right to open and maintain a current account, but they are charged in other ways.
Interest rates are lower than the levels offered with savings accounts or the official rate set by the Bank of England. Charges are levied for going overdrawn without permission or for making certain transactions.
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End Quote Mike O'Connor Consumer Focus chief executiveIf in return for fair fees we get banks competing for our custom by providing excellent service, it may be a price worth paying”
The issue of "free" banking was addressed in the Independent Commission on Banking - the Vickers report.
It recommended that customers' annual statements explain the amount of "interest foregone" by a customer. This will be put into place next year.
Interest foregone is calculated by subtracting the amount of interest earned from a current account from the amount of interest that could be earned had the consumer put his or her money in an account which earns higher interest, or put some of that money in savings.
Mike O'Connor, of watchdog Consumer Focus, said that the current perception of free banking was not good for competition, or for customers.
"Fee-free banking is not necessarily good value if you do not get a good service. This is what consumers get too often, as we have seen recently. If, in return for fair fees, we get banks competing for our custom by providing excellent service, it may be a price worth paying," he said.
"What must absolutely be avoided is customers facing the worst of both worlds - paying direct fees but still facing indirect costs, poor sales practices and customer service.
"Banks need to make big changes to regain customer trust. It will take a lot more than looking again at charging structures to address recent scandals in the industry."
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Comment number 33.
Disney13th August 2012 - 13:18
OMG - who does David Walker think he is. Lets blame the customer for the banking industries fall from grace. My taxes have gone to bail these companies out and now they want to charge me for having an account - the banking world has gone mad.
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Comment number 32.
Eltharas13th August 2012 - 13:09
Banks offer loans to its customers with large interest charges attached to make profits.
We give the banks OUR money as a LOAN and they want to charge us for this?
Its almost unbelievable...almost!!
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Comment number 31.
PaulComment number 31 is an Editors' Pick
13th August 2012 - 13:17
Just so I understand. The money I have in my current account is used by the bank without my permission to invest in dodgy schemes dreamt up by them and their brethren. They make a fortune doing this and give is nothing except fewer branches and electronic systems that periodically deny us access to OUR money or deduct money twice. Now they say charging us more will keep them honest !!! Unreal.
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Comment number 30.
Andrew Morton13th August 2012 - 13:17
So let me get this straight. "Free banking" led inexorably to banks lying cheating and swindling. In other words, their chief executives put in place business models that were financially unsound and unsustainable without malpractice.
Remind me how much they were paid for their financial acumen
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Comment number 29.
Richard13th August 2012 - 13:16
Good to see that nothing is going to change with Sir David's appointment. Despite making billions of pounds profit each year, they need to charge consumers even more.
I've got a clear message for Sir David, as a customer of his bank. Paying nothing for my bank account is still pretty poor value for money based on the level of service it provides.
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Comment number 28.
evaDtsuJ13th August 2012 - 13:15
Anyone interested in setting up a bank to lend money at a reasonable amount and pay interest on deposits at another reasonable amount?
If people want insurance for their phones, etc go to an insurance company!!
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Comment number 27.
Gavin David13th August 2012 - 13:15
And this is the new guy?
Is it just me, or does anyone else feel like they are participating in a spoof of the body snatchers?, where the earth has been attacked by a hostile group of intergalactic numpties -__-
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Comment number 26.
Secretbanker13th August 2012 - 13:14
Let's be honest. The rules on selling financial products by banks, and the lack of any trust in the advice provided by banks has hit their bottom lines so hard that they are desperate to find any way whatsoever of recovering their losses. Fee based banking is cheaper than trying to cut out the morally corrupt mangement/sales culture within them. Beware, the banking 'empire' strikes back.
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Comment number 25.
David13th August 2012 - 13:14
Go on then, who is going to be the first to start charging ?
Will they "cherry pick" the ones who earn the most & give them incentives in case they leave ?
Will they charge a bigger fee for those who can least afford it because they are a bigger risk ?
It will be just the same as always, only the rules will change.
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Comment number 24.
Ian_the_chopper13th August 2012 - 13:13
Every time you think they must have used up the supply of idiots in banking along comes a new one to prove that wrong.
This one they chose to chair Barclays! The words lunatics and asylum come to mind.
Bring back a 363 bank and see how well that would do?
If you watched the Bank of Dave on Channel 4 you would see there is huge demand.
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Comment number 23.
Argent Pur13th August 2012 - 13:13
As a lowly peasant, I apologise that my free bank account drove the banking industry to lie, cheat, steal and commit fraud. Where do I sign up to absolve my sins and pay something back...
Oh I already did, the Gov did it for us with bailouts, tax rises and austerity
..and now they want to charge us to be ripped off.
Olympians - Best of British
Bankers - Worst of British
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Comment number 22.
Anthoncon13th August 2012 - 13:12
The loss of current account interest can be partially offset via an instant access online banking account. And of course penalty fees can also be avoided by sensible money management. Don't blame everything on the banks. Individuals have responsibility too.
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Comment number 21.
KURGANCODE13th August 2012 - 13:10
I have never heard such a pathetic excuse for fraud in all my life.
David Walker is either lying or has no grasp whatsoever of how to treat customers & renders his appointment at Barclay's questionable,if this is the best reason he can come up with for justifying stealing.
Does this kind of statement exonerate the rioter who claims he stole because society would not give him what he craves. NO!
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Comment number 20.
MisterT13th August 2012 - 13:10
I agree with Richard Lloyd. The notion that "competition" has led to banks into not charging for current accounts, and thereafter into a tacit cartel and conspiracy to extort money by forcing customers to accept expensive and worthless insurance is ludicrous. Sounds like we already need another new chairman at Barclays.
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Comment number 19.
GrumpyofNorton13th August 2012 - 13:10
Would not the problem be solved if banks went back to doing banking and stopped being shops, where their sole purpose is to sell you their latest product?
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Comment number 18.
Angry_of_Swansea13th August 2012 - 13:10
So it's a question of charging or cheating customers? I am amazed that these guys feel perfectly at ease making such statements. I suppose it is merely another indication of how far away we have moved from the concept of banks being of service to society.
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Comment number 17.
Casaloco13th August 2012 - 13:10
The reason for the miss-selling was that they offered sales staff commission for selling with no penalties for mis-selling because there was little or no come-back on the bank in the event of mis-selling.
Banks behaved badly because it was profitable to do so, and they will continue to do so.
The MOST IMPORTANT thing now is to separate the retail and investment banking operations immediately.
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Comment number 16.
HELEN_of_TROY13th August 2012 - 13:09
On a thread about banking, we are at least mercifully safe from the the pettty small-minded nationalists telling us how much better Scottish banking is!
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Comment number 15.
Under-Used13th August 2012 - 13:08
The worst of it is that this guy has the inside track on the government's plans for the future of the UK financial system, and has allowed himself to be tempted by Barclays and will now transfer all of that knowledge to them. A most dubious bank, and the guy who was responsible for putting them in their place sold-out and works for them. Nice!
Another suit in it for themselves.
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Comment number 14.
BeesAreTrendy13th August 2012 - 13:07
So what the banks are saying is :
"Why are our current accounts so poor ? Because you don't pay for them."
Staggering.
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