Will Virgin plus Rock challenge the big banks?

Northern Rock branch sign Is Northern Rock changing hands at the beginning of Credit Crunch II

It is highly resonant that the bank, whose collapse four years ago is associated in most people's minds with the onset of the 2007-8 financial crisis, should be privatised just as we face the moment of maximum danger of a second banking meltdown - this one emanating from the eurozone's turmoil.

That eurozone tumult and gloom explains why the price being paid for Northern Rock by Sir Richard Branson's Virgin Money and a group of investors may look better for them than for taxpayers.

Taxpayers injected £1.4bn of new capital into the bank. Of that, we are getting £747m back immediately, with the potential to get £280m more over the next few years, if all goes to plan. So on paper taxpayers end up with a loss of somewhere between £650m and £400m.

But remember the state still owns tens of billion of pounds of old Northern Rock mortgages, the so-called bad bank. And depending what happens to the economy and housing market in the coming years as those mortgages are repaid, the losses on the Rock privatisation could either be recouped or magnified. We'll see.

For the Chancellor, George Osborne, the point of the sale is to stimulate competition in the retail banking market. He wants Branson and Virgin Money's boss, Jayne-Anne Ghadia, to give RBS, Lloyds, HSBC, Barclays and Santander a run for their money - which many of you will see as a laudable ambition.

But don't forget that the enlarged Virgin Money will still be a minnow - less than a tenth of the size of the big banking beasts on most measures. That said the "Virgin" brand has tended to punch above its weight - and, actually, the "Northern Rock" brand has also had clout, even since it fell into the morass.

For Newcastle, Virgin money offers the prospect of an enlarged operational headquarters and a promise that there will be no additional compulsory redundancies for three years.

But here's the big symbolic question: does the Rock sale augur a recovery in the general banking market, in which case Sir Richard Branson has a steal; or is it changing hands just as we're about to enter Credit Crunch ll?

UPDATE 1133: Apparently the "Rock" brand is history and all the branches and products become "Virgin". What do you think of that?

Robert Peston Article written by Robert Peston Robert Peston Economics editor

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    Comment number 13.

    I am rather looking forward to Virgin entering the banking world and maybe shaking things up. Better deposit rates? Faster transfers?etc. can't be bad. I only wish that Virgin or Stellios would enter the energy market and offer really competitive gas and electricity prices.

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    Comment number 12.

    Can we ask employees of Northern Rock, sorry Virgin Money, to contribute to a 'whip round' and raise the full £400,000,000 to £650,000,000 the rest of us taxpayers have lost on our investment in this failed organisation.

    And please can we start the same with RBS et al?

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    Comment number 11.

    Well its not a good deal for the taxpayer, too many if buts and maybes for a likely upside

    Can somebody explain to me why there are continual handouts and subsidies to banks

    I've heard this job retention bit before, sold cheap and then downstream from the sale there will probably be job losses. Not that that is Virgins fault, thats the sort of sale package. Good luck to them

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    Comment number 10.

    So come on. Weren't you saying the government will make a profit on the nationalisation?

    It's a massive loss.

    On top, there are the guarantees. What are the expected losses on the guarantees because we are still on the hook there.

    Labour has built an economy that's sole job is to service government debt, not service the citizen.

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    Comment number 9.

    This is a disappointing loss on the "good" bit of NR. There are striking parallels with GB's sell-off of our gold reserves.

    As Robert says, time will tell, but surely the UK government, enjoying record low bond yields, could afford to sit out the current crisis before selling?

    This is a baffling decision by a chancellor whose lack of experience and talent are now being brutally exposed.

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    Comment number 8.

    Will the new bank be called `Northern Virgin' ?

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    Comment number 7.

    Hopefully they have written into the contract for sale that there will be no bailout if it goes under again?

    They paid out £13 million in bonuses earlier in the year. Perhaps they would have been worth more if they hadn't done so? they were still making a £232 million pound loss at that stage. Such rewards should have been paid once they were turning a profit, merely reducing loss isn't enough.

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    Comment number 6.

    The first thing that came to my mind on reading this news was the line that I have read here on these blog comments...Never getting it back

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    Comment number 5.

    So the profitable part of NR is sold at a loss and the tax-payer retains the toxic mortgage debts. I believe that when NR was nationalised the 'good' mortgage segment was hived of into an off-shore company ,so we didn't get that either.
    Osborne says it's a good deal, for who?

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    Comment number 4.

    Quick George - sell NR quickly - before the entire banking system collapses!

    Then you can sit back and blame everything on Europe.

    Our 'best case scenario' is a £400m loss? - now why didn't someone mention before that WE'RE NEVER GETTING IT BACK???

    At least the BBC 'get it' - last night Nick Robinson actually told the truth - our BEST CASE for the economy is no growth and rising unemployment

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    Comment number 3.

    Is it any wonder that politicians are not trusted when they can’t even work out sums, or is it their love of putting bankers before people?

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    Comment number 2.

    @1 Pretty Grisly mind picture your painting there:)

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    Comment number 1.

    Call me cynical but the sale of Northern Rock and the emphasis of job retention in the Northeast is announced the day after Riotinto announces the closure of Lynemouth smelter being Northumberlands leading private employer and a "manufacturing" employer at that.

    Bit like a poop sandwich except the bread is mouldy as well.


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