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Johnny Marr and Andy Rourke

Rourke (r) performing with Marr in 2006

There is a light that never goes out

Bandmates recall the inside story and abrupt break-up of indie superheroes The Smiths... in a London chippie. Plus, read YOUR comments below...

A new DVD which details the inside story of one of the most influential and acclaimed groups in music history, The Smiths, has been launched by two of the band's former members.

Twenty five years after the group formed, Inside the Smiths sees former bassist Andy Rourke and drummer Mike Joyce talk about their time in the Manchester band famed for their innovative guitar sound and dark, poetic lyrics.

But neither of the group's more famous former members, singer Morrissey and guitarist Johnny Marr, are directly involved - having been long estranged following the band's acrimonious break-up in 1987.

Rourke told BBC London 94.9's Gary Crowley that the DVD came about by accident when he and Joyce were on a recent DJ tour of America, adding, "It's about me and Mike's time in the band and how celebratory it all was."

Asked if the Smiths were likely to reform - the group was reputedly offered $5m (£2.8m) to reunite for the Coachella US festival last year - he said, "I don't think it's going to happen, frankly."

 rush of pop stardom

The Smiths formed in 1982 and released hits such as Panic and How Soon is Now.

Morrissey onstage

Moz woos the fans onstage

Their rise was swift and their debut, self-titled album, lauded for its fresh sound, powered to number two in the charts at a time when they were dominated by synth-pop groups.

"I think it helped that me and Johnny had known each other since we were 11 and had learned guitar together, and been in lots of different bands before the Smiths," Rourke recalled.

"Me and Johnny knew our playing inside out, and what we wanted from each other. I think that helped a lot. Mike's a great drummer, and you put Morrissey into the mix and the magic was there from the start."

"I was stuck to the spot but Morrissey, who was normally so reticent, was going wild onstage..."

Mike Joyce recalls the Smiths' first London gig

Joyce said that the sudden rush of pop stardom and fame was "incredible".

Recalling the band's first London gig at the old Rock Garden in Covent Garden's Piazza, he said, "It was boiling hot and there seemed to be lots of people there in rucksacks from France or wherever.

"I was stuck to the spot but Morrissey, who was normally so reticent, was going wild onstage," he continued.

"Obviously to achieve the kind of success that the Smiths achieved - such a meteoric rise so quickly - and to still be talking about that group 25 years on, and have kids dancing to your records, is every player's dream."

musical differences

The DVD offers some insight into the deterioration of the band's relationships.

Although the break-up of the group is primarily attributed to musical differences between Morrissey and Marr, Joyce later fell out with the pair over royalty payments, resulting in a court case.

The Smiths

The Smiths: Your Saturday Anthems

Joyce stressed, however, that at the time the group were making their final album, none of them knew what was to come.

"We didn't have a clue. None of us did because recording Strangeways Here We Come was a joy," he said.

"It was one of the best albums that we'd recorded in the way that we felt about the record and what we'd done, because we didn't have anything else to prove."

The break-up, when it did come, happened at a meeting convened by Marr in a fish and chip shop in London's Kensington.

"Johnny dropped the bombshell and our chins hit the table. Morrissey's hit the floor. And we didn't get to finish our chips."

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Have Your Say

A.....(New York)
Every time I see Moz coming to town I think about going. Won't though. Just not the same.

Daria - Milan (Italy)
they were part of my youth.... I still listen to them.... :) Dammit I am so young!! (Thanks Angelo - NY)

Brad
I was moved fiercely and justly the first time I heard The Smiths. The song was This Charming Man and it was unlike anything being played at the time--I've been a devoted Smiths/Moz fan ever since.

Jean-Marie
The memory of the SMITHS (and specially the Mozz) is very present for every person who likes great pop music with such strange and beautiful lyrics.... And it will last for a long time... Hello from Belgium

eavesdrop
Just saw Morrissey in Philadelphia. Unfortunately my brother-in-law refused to attend even though he'd gotten us 4th row seats, as he'd been marred by Marr and couldn't bear to hear the songs played by anyone else. The band is seriously tight. Morrissey's voice better than ever. He taunted the crowd to rush the stage with something like, "I guess that the Mayor of Philadelphia would commit suicide if this space down here were (completely) filled. About 8 people rushed the stage and grabbed a hug or kiss before the curtain.

Ed ' Hole In the Wall ' Plumber.
Bring out the cardigan, bring out the doc martins, bring out the bedroom books, naughty but nice.

Matthew the Norris Green Milkman.
I have a slice of his shirt, I've stapled it to my inner thigh.Moz - bless you

Robbie B
I was 16 when I heard the Smiths in session on Kid Jensen and John Peel's show on Radio 1. I remember waiting for the 1st album to be released. I saw them during the 'Meat is Murder' tour in Feb 85. They're still my favorite band. Good to see there's still so much interest in the group.

Don Barr
Like the previous entry The Smiths started and ended in high school for me. I would never have known about them if it wasn't for this girl in high school Rachel, who I had a total crush on who asked me if I wanted to see this band called the smiths. Of course, I said sure. It was such an amazing show - a little loud but awesome. It turned out to the be the last show they played in the US in Tampa Fl. Independent music hasn't been the same since :)

Lynn, Preston, Lancs
I was at the Preston gig too. I had looked forward to it for months. I was devasted. Some idiot spoilt it for everyone else, I would love to find out who it was....

Diego
I was very young and I had come from doing surfing. I listened to the smiths and that evening my life changed...

John Ohman
The Smiths were brilliant!

Billy Budd
What a couple of free loaders....great bassist granted, but these two keep harping on and bleeding the stone dry. I think the fact that they didn't receive clearance from Moz & Johnny to use any Smiths tunes sums it all up! Best Band of all time...no doubt, but let us enjoy the music without the soul-selling.

kevin allsopp
its amazing to see young people searching out the smiths and identifying with it 20+ years on. when you look back at what they achieved in such a short time it is amazing

Del Sebring
They started and ended during my High School years. Simply the greatest and most unique band I had or have heard.

chris holliday
The Preston concert in 86. During the first song The Queen is Dead, Johnny Marr threw a drumstick into the crowd, the drumstick was thrown back and hit Morrissey in the face, which caused the concert to be cancelled. But I had tickets for the last concert on the tour at Free Trade Hall which was amazing. Happy Days.

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