RIGHT NAV
TO GYPSYSARAH: A FEW WORDS I PICKED UP FROM MY FAMILY WHICH I DON'T HEAR NOW ARE:(NOT SURE ON SPELLINGS THOUGH).FAWNIE=RING.CHOCKERS=SHOES.MAWT=WOMAN.PARNIE CANNA=TOILET.BORIE=PREGNANT. ADOEIE = OVER THERE.TOOF/TOOFLA=CIGARETTE.JEL=GO.DON'T ROCKER=DON'T TALK.ROCKER=TO TALK.NICKS/NICKSIES=NOTHING.MOGARDY=DIRTY.SCREWIE=SILLY/STUPID.
Wed Jul 8 10:49:14 2009
julie and jodie
hi andy, i have been researching the eastwood's from dartford in kent ... my nan was an eastwood ... i found out that some of her relations were from burwash east sussex ... just wonddred if there is any connection? i have gone back to 1647 where the name changes to istod/eastwod/eastwood/istood ... it could be where they were illiterate ...
Sun Jul 12 18:49:59 2009
vanslow lee
im trying to find out a bit about my unusual name, can anybody help?
Thu Jul 9 20:41:23 2009
nel
hello,im looking for info on a travelling showman called charles hambleton born around 1830 possibly in devon.he had a travelling toy stall and shooting gallery.according to his marriage cert to his last wife,his father was also charles hambleton,travelling showman.if anyones heard of him,or travelling hambletons in general,id be very grateful for any help,thanks.
Thu Jul 9 13:53:10 2009
cassie
this ia all really interesting iv just found out im an 8th romany gypsy from italy i think. living by your craft has always been my dream of mine and as an artist and crafts woman alot of things about the romany culture and interests make sence
Wed Jul 8 16:59:04 2009
Elyse
My great-grandmother was a romany from the Czech Republic. While she did pass down some of her recipes, etc. to us, she did not think it right to pass on the language to her gorjer husband or children. A few words here and there were picked up without her knowing, but it would really mean a lot to me to be able to learn the language in full. I hope someday that's possible, so that I can pass down some of my history to my own children. Also, does anyone know anything about Czech Romany? I'm looking for information on the Gerlich/Gurlik family in particular.
Wed Jul 8 03:35:13 2009
Rosie Smith
also i would like to say a big hello!!!! to my cousin lindsey who write our book with me glad to have you back cuz and i loves ya rosie xxxxx
Mon Jul 6 17:00:35 2009
Rosie Smith
hello Bob good post and i agree good and bad in all, since coming on the net and listening to other peoples opinions i find my own changing about somethings i no longer see people with out our culture but with Romany Gypsy blood as gorgers like i once did but still i cant truly see them as Romany Gypsies so cant help but think that maybe a new Romany word should be made to explain the Romany Gypsies that have been raised out of Gypsy culture, we have made up so many new words since leaving India were i believe we came from, like drag wouldn't have been invented then, do anyone else think this is a good idea or am i just being my divvy self i just feel it would be nice to explain someone as what they truly are a Romany gypsy with out having been raised in Romany culture what do everyone think?, plus i must say to Elysha like myself i think most needies that go to the shows do so because they love to meet up with cousins/friends and just other gypsies in general also we love the stalls as we can buy things from them we find hard to get else were, washable mats cheaper crown darby all the stuff for baby's and so on, i love the darby cus nearly everyone i know go's but stow i love because i love to see the wagons pots old motors trailers and everything else from our past i like going to all the shows and will go to as many as i can to the end of my days but i do this for no one but myself, all my best to all Rosie
Mon Jul 6 16:58:48 2009
Ash
Im from Kent.Is there any more local markets this year?i think Epsom is gone but didnt know dates for the others?Can anyone help?
Mon Jul 6 10:22:38 2009
Chris ws
I went to a music festival yesturday, it was in a little village I live close to, started at 12 noon till 10.pm, it took place on a large green in the village, this morning( Monday) you can hardlry see any grass for rubish, but I bet there will be no report's about the rubish, because it was'nt a Gypsy festival !!!!!Bob pral no change there hey !Gypsysarah, like Marty said, the word for knife in chiv, I dont spell well, so it rymes with live more. there was a few Rom at the fes yesturday, and I had the young one's all round me, giving them Romany lessons in our language, must keep it alive !!!!!!!! bokt to all Chris.
Mon Jul 6 09:02:20 2009
bill martin
missus Lee please read my post again and take it s l o w l y. I did not direct any questions to my friend Rosie Smith, mainly because I did not ask a question.You are the one making a mountain out of a molehill.the only mountain I know in Britain is Ben Nevis,and the British did not export moles out here. You missus Lee have written more on this suject on this notice board than me I sent one post and the rest has been correcting you. I dont KNOW who did this deed ,it could well have been the owner of this field and I have not nomimated who it might be (please note Bob)I feel sorry for the ladies who have been trying to project a better image of the Romanies to have it ruined in a flash. I have not noticed your name mentioned on this subject are you a "johnny come lately "? I have found out from this board before you put your mouth in gear make sure your bnrain is not in park. I dont think this post requires an answer. All the best to my friends Chris and Rosie Keep your chins up ps missus Lee if you used your normal name we could perhaps recognise you
Mon Jul 6 03:34:06 2009
LUCY
HI EVERYONE CAN ANY TELL ME IF ANYONE NOWS ANT OF THE GUKES OR BRAZILS THANK ALL HAVE A GREAT END :}
Fri Jul 3 23:32:00 2009
Patrick Finnie
we have Irish gypsy or gipsy heritage, liveing in Coventry.
Fri Jul 3 22:44:30 2009
Shauna
Chris ws- well that is good news if they hav started it up again fingers crossed, cuz it was a good lil Horse fair.
Fri Jul 3 21:39:57 2009
Chris ws
Shauna, I have just read the report from 2000, but I was told at a meeting in April of this year, that it was back on, Chris.
Fri Jul 3 10:55:28 2009
Bob lovell nz
Kako Bill, Pennar Chris & Rosie,Churi or Shive the same.Bill there's no knowing who those folkie were Rom/Irish Traveller's or New age but I'm sure they get targeted by Fly tipper's who arn't any of them in some cases.Where my Old Uncle lives in vans in a lane near Newport every so often people at night set fire to stolen cars outside their gate making out it's my Uncle & family doing it.My Uncle says they hear them calling out Dirty Gypo's etc but of course my Uncle & family don't get much notice taken of their commplaints about it ??Good & bad in all races hey!Bokt to you all.Bob.
Fri Jul 3 01:02:19 2009
gypsysarah
Bill and Chris, thanks for your replies. Me and mum trying to think of as many romany words as we can, but stuck on knife. Now we know. I take it chive rhymes with five?
Thu Jul 2 22:20:47 2009
marty
as with all the romany language ,depending on where you come from in different parts things are said slightly different for eg we call a knife a chiv.
Thu Jul 2 20:37:35 2009
marty
as with all the romany language ,depending on where you come from in different parts things are said slightly different for eg we call a knife a chiv.
Thu Jul 2 20:37:23 2009
Rosie Smith
hello Shauna i remember horsmanden and loved it when it was on and went every year you are right it was a real good show and shame it closed but i believe that the gypsy man still take their horses down each year and its only the stalls that no longer go,but i am not sure if this is true because i have not been down for years myself but that is what i have been told, it use to be on the second Sunday in September, it all started i believe because of hoping, the pickers would meet up on the green and it went from there,Bill its true what you say so many gypsies are trying so hard to get our people seen in a better light, in the month of June which was Gypsy and traveller History mouth all over the county poeple have been making progress in getting Romany Gypsies seen for the wonderfull things about us music, crofts, good morals,etc and then one story in the paper and we seem to be back where we started it seems so unfair when the travellers in voled may not even have been Gypsies and even if they were their is good and bad in all races of poeple as we all know i only hope that one day gorgers will see that it is the minority of Gypsies that behave in a irresponsible way and not the majority my best to all rosie
Thu Jul 2 19:56:09 2009
Rebekah
AmyMany gypsies did not register births and did not have conventional marriages, but its not true for all. Romanygenes is a good site, but also Rootschat, which has a Traveller section. Both are free. By putting your tree on Genes Reunited other people can contact you, and use Curious Fox (free). You could join the RTFHS (google it), I think its £9 a year.
Thu Jul 2 18:18:51 2009
Elysha
I agree wid Shauna about the Derby, its not for me. People just make as much money as they can out of it. I dont need to prove Im a proper needie gal by going everywhere we're 'supposed' to go.
Thu Jul 2 18:16:16 2009
Mrs Lee
Hi Bill Martin. I think the fact that you loaded the question in Rosies direction as if she would know might have given an impression you implied Romany Travellers. Do you really think its that easy to find out what new agers or other Travellers was there? Good heavens the work of Rosie and Chris .w.s. and Cathayb and many others like them is a credit to them. The fact that the area has the highest level of fly tipping in the south east of England by fly tipping house dwellers, never headline news of course, but any little thing that can be blamed on Travellers is publicised which then you go and publicize it more. Why have you joined the make a mountain out of a molehill brigade?
Thu Jul 2 15:58:07 2009
bill martin
Gypsy Sarah. The word for knife is CHURI
Thu Jul 2 12:38:56 2009
Chris ws
Gypsysarah, the word we have always used for a knife is -- shive. bokt Chris.
Thu Jul 2 12:08:47 2009
bill martin
mrs Lee I did not say they were Romany or anybody else all I am saying is whoever it was it has undone the good work done by posters on this site to name a few Rosie Bob Lovell, Chris ws and too many more to recall It is a shame because there has been some hard work put in to have the Romanies seen in a better light. And whoever it was they should be caught and named
Thu Jul 2 11:35:00 2009
Shauna
unfortuantly like with any race of people, theres alwas gonna be the bad ones that give the respestable ones the bad name. In response to Rosie id like to say i dont rate the Derby because it costs a fortune to park on downs,ice creams etc cost a bomb n it puts me off its too commercialised. Does anyone remember Horsmonden Horse fair over nr Tonbridge wells ? it was a small horse fair on the village green, some of locals manage to get it closed down which was a great shame, they alwas had it around Hop picking time end August/September.
Thu Jul 2 11:10:40 2009
gypsysarah
Hi, Does anyone know the romany word for knife? Its really puzzling me.
Wed Jul 1 21:10:12 2009
amy
hiimy great nan was a r0man gypsy im just w0ndering if any0ne kn0ws any sites where i c0uld trace back my family hist0ry, as i heard that gypsies d0 n0t register births. is this true?
Wed Jul 1 17:59:55 2009
Mrs Lee
Bill MatinThe Denmead site could have been occupied by either New Age, Irish or Romany Travellers. What strikes me is that in an area identified as the worst in the south east for fly tipping by house dwellers, this small amount of rubbish (a few bin bags) was photographed and highlighted as belonging to Travellers. Google for proof.
Wed Jul 1 12:19:49 2009
bill martin
I would like fairminded Romanys, Gypsies and anyone calling themselves Travellers to google The portsmouth News and read the article on Denmead. Rosie I know we can not be sure who is responsible,but it would be nice to find out Kusti Bokt bill
Tue Jun 30 10:49:08 2009
Rosie Smith
hello to all just came back from Cambridge show yesterday and enjoyed the show but must say i dont think its no were near as good as the Darby or stow and the eirth show is good and kenilworth. thought i would ask poeple what they thought was the best gypsy show and reason's why??hope everyones enjoying the good weather bet ya all got the bbq's out lol
Mon Jun 29 16:11:55 2009
Traveller girl
Thanks to Leek Wooten police HQ for hosting a party for the local travellers.
Mon Jun 29 15:14:37 2009
bill martin
My gran used to smoke a pipe and some were white and some were red,It depended what clay was used.my granfer lined his stables with red clay so when she made her pipes they were red. Most all bought pipes were white
Mon Jun 29 12:27:36 2009
Bob lovell nz
too Lou.I don't think I've replyed to your question , Dordi ! but Clay pipes were used by the poorer folkie in the past , as for them being white in colour I;d say thats because of the firing in the klin , I could be wrong ? I don't make my pipes (sweglars - by the way it means a flut in German so is a borrowd word for Rom)When I was a Chavo I made pipes from acornes and chor'd my Dadus Tovlo , Tobbacco , he never said nothing but I'm sure he knew. of course today Smoker's are treated like drug addicts , I'm not sure what to think about that but I enjoy me old pipe BUT never smoke indoors or where people are eating . What I say to people who do get on my case about my pipe is, I ask them do you Drive a motor ? most do , So I say have a suck on the exhurst for one minute - then tell me my pipe smoking is bad????Bokt to you.Bob.
Mon Jun 29 07:34:36 2009
Naomi W
shauna, I have penfolds too lol who were in the showground business, Im settled now in a house after marrying a gorger man (WONDERFUL man who trets me better than I could ever have imagined, he treats me like a princess) so some gypsies dont think Im 'real' gypsy, even tho they have gorger blood themselves from way back lol!! I am related to Lila who posts on here too.
Fri Jun 26 17:22:10 2009
LOU
My aunt showed me this site, as i needed some help for school. i told the teacher that a lot of old traverlers use to make and smoke clay pipes, she'd seen these pipes before, but what i couldent tell her was how come if the clay in the ground is brown and you make pipes from it, how come all the pipes the teachers seen and i seen are white? Maybe Mr Lovell can answer my question? as he smokes a Swegal, perhaps you made it Mr lovell? Thanks LOU.
Fri Jun 26 11:37:05 2009
Bob lovell nz
Rosie Pennar.your welcome ,as an older man I don't feel it's wrong to complament our Woman folkie in this way . if we did more often I think the world would be a better for all plus at the end of the day Woman are the boss. dordi did I say that , haa in old times the Bibi Dai was boss & no one aurgued.Bill Kako.yes us silly sods should be able to keep playing outside even when much older us men never grow up but thats kushti . we have had winter flu too , funny thing is I hardly get it (touch wood) even though I smoke me sweglar (pipe) Jayne don't smoke yet she has been rather ill. No worries for Jayne with me Kako , it's the quiet one's you have to watch !Bokt to you Both.Bob.
Thu Jun 25 22:40:18 2009
Shauna
Naomi like wise .... My ancesters were the Penfolds, up until 5 or so years ago my fathers cousin still travelled with the fair but has the younger generation of the showman who owned that particular fair grew up, my fathers cousin got pushed out with his lil side stall ,all wrong i wonder what the Grandfather would of thought had he still been alive my Great grandfather had his own fair, the old kind from the 1920s n 30s. I remember every october when the Fair come to Faversham Rec for the Carnival us visiting dads cousin Billy n he alwas gave me a lil prize from his stall.
Thu Jun 25 13:29:03 2009
Rosie Smith
hello STEPHEN i really ain't sure i will need to talk to some of my family and ask if we have family where you ask but if they are related then they would only be distant cousins i am away to Cambridge in the morning so i will let you know when i get back, Bob thank you for your lovely compliment that was a lovely thing for you to say and i dont mind at all although i dont see myself that way at all lol maybe when i was a girl but thank you as like all women i love compliments (true or not)lol have a nice weekend everyone and enjoy the sun loves Rosie
Thu Jun 25 01:05:02 2009
Celia
To Ruth Andrews, Ruth there were Andrews (hawkers) connecting with Farrs - Yovil somerset, and also Charles & Temperance Andrews Wansworth Hawkers, so you may be on right road to extent. Good luck in your search.
Wed Jun 24 17:20:15 2009
Naomi W
nice to 'meet' you Shauna, my family were/are the Ball's and Wilson's, although its only distant family now who are still actively involved with the fairs. I'd love to run away with the fair or circus, but I cant, Im a married mum to 4 kids!
Wed Jun 24 13:24:35 2009
ruth andrews
I remember my grandmother telling us often as children that our ancesters were Romany: is Andrews a Romany name ?
Wed Jun 24 12:23:08 2009
bill martin
Bob I am still in the dog house and my red cattle dog is not impressed. I caught the flu on my trip and that is not going down too well.I dont know why a bloke cant enjoy himself once in a while,Because I had a good time and enjoyed the peacefulness Jayne watch out for Bobs emails and Rosie look out for the old fox (only kidding)the heart specialist does not want to see me for a year ,so thats good news ,I am waiting to go for a very minor op soon I hope.Then I will be free for a spell,so Simon I could be over soon. Tobias I have found a little more info in documentation I would love to hear from you. my email address has been changed since we corresponded But Hamish will give it to you if you want Kusti Bokt Bill
Wed Jun 24 11:49:10 2009
Bob lovell nz
Chris pennar.A scholar , never been called that before but I'm pleased you think so, Parruka tute Miri Pennar (thank you my sister)Too Kako Bill.Kushti to see you back Kako, your post is like reading a western , keep it up.Too Jack P,Your post is interesting ? Gypsy (spelt with a capital G is not affensive To myself , we refere to our family - myself as Romani for that's what we are! unfortunitly the word gypsy with lower case g refer's to ANYONE who lives a so called gypsy life style (that is the ruling under the gypsy act 1964 in the UK. for myself I find that offensive as Gypsy was first used by NON ROMANI to describe our race ! yet some how it has been played around with so much it now has not a lot of meaning to many real Romani people today.Funny that our race can be belittled in such a way just to smooth trouble within the minds of many people who WON'T see us as a true race with real origins,language & costoms. so that is a real reason many Rom don't use the name Gypsy.Bokt to you all.Bob.
Wed Jun 24 07:04:40 2009
Bob lovell nz
Too Rosie Pennar.Well your a Shukar (beautiful looking Romni , hope you don't mind me saying thaT SO PUBLIC) and your daughter keep up the singing. your family look a good traditional travelling family and doing the vidio is one way of helping all Romany- Traveler's to get respect from the general Gorga population. well done you.Bokt Bob.
Wed Jun 24 06:51:14 2009
STEPHEN
TO ROSIE SMITH ARE YOU RELATED TO THE SMITH FAMILY OR NO THEM FROM WEST OR EAST MALLING THAY IM RELATED TO . I GOT A COUSON SHERRY SMITH MARIA ANGIE PRISCILLA JIMMY LEN AND JOHN , IALSO WOULD LIKE TO NO BOUT A MARGARET SMITH SHE WAS LEONAR5D DEVALLS MOTHER IN LAW AND I THINK SHE MY GREAT AUNTY BUT I DONT NO EXACTLY NO HOW OR WHERE THE WALLER FAMILY ARE INVOLVED , IT SEEMS TO ME MARGARET HAD ABOUT FIFTEEN CHILDREN SPANNING THIRTY FIVE YEARS WITCH IS JUST BOUT POSSIBE I SUPPOSE
Tue Jun 23 15:55:02 2009
Shauna
Naomi, my great grandfather was a Showman apparently he would only address his sons n daughters by their full name but neverless Showman did come from Romanies.I HATE THE WORD Pikey n iv been called that a few times in my life but it dont bother me Sticks n Stones i say.
Tue Jun 23 09:55:12 2009
charlotte
my granny used to stop on corkes pit violet bignell sister lucky brother georgie wally and jimmy also known as the smith family they used to sleep in an old bus as there wernt room up the wagon best days of her life till they got moved to the prefabs they'd travel all summer and stop in the pitt in the winter many stories she told us about down there shes still got a trailor now where she cant stick houses..
Tue Jun 23 00:30:38 2009
Naomi W.
Jack P, I dont know about the word Gipsy being offensive and Gypsy not.....because both words were given to us by gorgers (non gypsies) so both could be seen either way - depending on how the person means it. I dont mind being called a gypsy or gipsy but noy a gyppo or pikey, because they are 'bad' words that insult us. My granda was from a fairground family and he only liked to be known as a showman, not a gypsy or traveller. Not cos he looked down on anyone but it was just describing exactly what he was. Im fascinated by the showpeoples lives, even tho Im settled.
Mon Jun 22 19:42:51 2009
Rosie Smith
awww thank you Shauna that's real nice of you and ya right i ain't flashy (got nank to be flashy about lol) but if i had the lottery it wouldn't change me as i love down to erith people that know how to enjoy life,so that's what i try and be thank you again real nice to read that to day xxxby the way cambridge fair starts on the 24 hope to see ya all there come and say hello rosie
Mon Jun 22 13:31:59 2009
Maureen Boswell
My father Thomas Henry Boswell was a true Romany Gypsie,he made and sold pegs,repaired umbrellas and chairs.He worked,in Wales, as a stone masons assistant,Please can anyone fill help to in the gaps?
Mon Jun 22 13:31:06 2009
Shauna
Rosie Smith, i watched your video on Stow earlier tonight,id watch it before but without the sound cuz my lil boy messed the sound up on our computer for weeks lol, anywa id like to say i like u ,theres nothing flashy about u at all, n your girl as a great lil singing voice Patsy Cline is my very best of singers n with practice i reckon your girl could be a professional singer, i dont care what anyone on here says nobody needs aload of gold round their neck to show their a Romany ,u make a great contribution to this page so i say coshti.
Sat Jun 20 23:49:35 2009
Rosie Smith
hello Bob lovell nz i am glad you like my video and thank you for saying about the girl, that's my daughter sherrymarie and shes only 11,but Sarah the gypsy singer was not on my video's my friend,but i have got blond hair like Sarah though and i am about her size so maybe you thought i was her,did you mean right at the end ? if so then yes that was me selling my daughters cd's also other gypsy singers i have on cd,also i agree Bob everyone to there own music long as you enjoy it that's the main thing ain't it,and i love listening to you talking Bob i am learning myself all the Romany words i dont know and its nice to hear someone say them so you know how they sound,also your new home sounds lovely there's nothing like nature is there i hope you will be very happy in your new home all my best mi bor Rosienice to see you back uncle Bill martin xx
Fri Jun 19 22:14:25 2009
Sue, (Notts.)
does anyone know where the name FAIRNETTY comes from? Im not trying to find anyone by the way but this name seems to run in our family and I wondered how it started or which country its from, does anyone know? we're gypsy.
Fri Jun 19 20:02:43 2009
JackP
Might sound like a strange question, but I've been told that "gipsy" spelled as such is seen as offensive, but "gypsy" is not. Just wondering whether this is the case and/or if so, why? (I understood preferred term was Romany/Roma anyway but am specifically querying gipsy/gypsy).Can anyone advise?
Fri Jun 19 15:48:54 2009
shauna
Lila that is weird ,yes i think most families are related along line some where.Uncle Apsie was Lilas father.Its a shame for all the Aunties n Uncles my father had not one of their grand children or even greatgrand children hav come forward on here as i know there were lots. Maybe they dont read this message board like me lol.
Fri Jun 19 12:05:02 2009
bill martin
oi oi to John Sampson Steve Price and Bob Lovell, and all the folki that missed me.Everybody was looking for me,I went with some city slickers on a rumour there was a band of brumbies that were nearly thoroughbreds out back of Emerald.and as I know that country I led their party, and that was all it was a rumour.They wanted to go shooting and we shared out the tucker and I left them .I went to a property where I knew the owners but they had sold to some pit street farmers (city slickers) and I needed to get some diesel and while I was there I saw this pretty pony about 13.3 hands and not very well, anyhow the owner said I could have her as they were going to put her down,so I loaded up and drove about a 100 miles to find a little town and I bought some liquid parrafin and gave her a quart down her thoat and spent a few days camped by a creek . There was nought wrong with the pony excepf she had a gutful of sand and was blocked up , the parrafin did the trick .I decided to take another way home and had to take it easy on the rough track and stop to let the pony have a rest .My missus got the police to look for me and they were looking in the wrong places. I got home about a fortnight late and then all hell broke loose. I could not phone no phones and my mobile had no service so I am still in the poo but I am home now.Rebeka M I am waiting for an email from England with hopefully some names and dates and will email you. Rosie S what makes you think I was not happy with you?ask Chris I sent an email saying why I would not answer you ,I did not want to fight with you and you could not or would not understand my posts. One other thing when you talk about "country music"dont speak for all Romanies. The same as you told someone else ,every body has their own brand of music. Kusti Bokt to you all and now I am going to catch some shuteye see what happens in the morrow bill martin
Fri Jun 19 07:05:26 2009
Bob lovell nz
too Rosie Pennar.i just managed on our mobil device to watch your Stow fair vidio , well done , Is the young Chai singing one of your family, hope she keeps it up, See Gypsy Sarah there selling her Cd's . Looked all kushti . Thank you. Does your man ker the pots ?Bob.
Fri Jun 19 05:03:48 2009
Gary Small
To Cathy BirchI just took a dhik at the photo you put in Romany Routes 'Picking Whortleberries' My familia used to pick Whortleberries on the Carn in Redruth using a basket fashioned to collect them by sweeping it through the bush to collect the little berries, along with Urts (another berry) made a tasty pie. You needed a brear few to make one tho'Could be one of the families that atched below the carn.Nais tuke for posting it.. brought back memories.BoktGary Small
Thu Jun 18 19:14:08 2009
Tammy-louise king
elo can any one help me? im looking for a picture of my grandfather elijah king he was married to my granny lilly wickens who died in march 1993 , he died in 1943 6 months befor my father was born, he came from kilndown near lamberhurst kent!! My grandfathers mother had the surname of (harvards) my grandfather was buried in shepperton near woking surrey??? he had sisters called emily, mary and claire if any one knows any one that has got a picture i would be very gratefull if i could get one as my father is 65 know and has been looking all his life for one!! many thanks
Thu Jun 18 18:17:45 2009
Lila
shauna, I do have Beeneys in my family (different spelling tho.) But I wansnt a Beeney before marriage. My great grandad was widdowed young and remarried to Priscilla Beeney. so we might be related after all lol. id love everyone to do a mass DNA test, we'd all see who we were related to, for 90% of us it would all be each other lol.
Thu Jun 18 14:44:04 2009
Chris WS
Seem's our Gypsy,Roma Travellers month is really taking off, I have been invited to a peom reading in London, for the teacher's to focus on the achievements of individuals and explore the myths that surround these groups, for the curriculum, at long last things are looking up for us all. bokt to all Chris.
Thu Jun 18 13:12:34 2009
Chris WS.
Bob Lovell, I love to read your Romany scolar writing my pral. Andy Johnson, tried your e-mail add, but it came back, maybe you could try mine and it will get through.Chris.
Thu Jun 18 13:06:30 2009
paula
hii have seen a few people looking for info on framebridge lee, she was sister to my gtgtgt grandmother cinderella lee, would be great to share info on the family.
Thu Jun 18 08:55:34 2009
Loren from oz
sorry, i probably should have added that they lived in Bermondsey. Thanks ! in the 40s and 50s
Thu Jun 18 06:22:27 2009
Bob lovell nz
Steve Price Pral.I wanted to say your words about the Mushkro-Gavar's treating our folkie that way are honest words and good for you pral for speaking , today with internet etc Romany & Traveler Folk should be able to petition Politicians & Human rights people to get some equal status with all the other minority races within the UK.Sure there's many Rom & Gorga past & present doing kushti work on this but it needs a united frount . One thing Rom as a Race have NEVER done is started wars or the like , I say myself Rom are the original pacifist for what other races would put up with brutal punishment over hundreds of years in most counties and not take up the gun !Sure we know it's move on but what happens when moving on becomes impossible.Many of all our Old Rom men fought in the world wars & even today there's Rom men in Iran & Afganistan , YET how many Gorga Folk are aware of this WE DO AND HAVE DONE OUR BIT FOR QUEEN & COUNTRY.I say educate them , then MAYBE there will be a day when our folkie world wide are given due respect as Human beings and a Race.Right rave but I feel better , well done to you Pral.Bokt Bob .
Thu Jun 18 06:08:07 2009
Loren in oz.
hello - im trying to get any information on my Grandfathers family . they were RG's and their name was Crawley, grandfather George Crawley. Im trying to learn more about my rg heritage and what their lives wre like.
Thu Jun 18 05:57:34 2009
Shauna
Hello Lila, it was because of your name spelling i thought u was my relation her surname was Beaney before marryin; never mind and thanx for answering.
Wed Jun 17 17:28:58 2009
Jenna
I thought you'd like to hear about my local council which is Sutton in Surrey. This month as you know is Traveller history month. Sutton is holding exibitions and going round the schools to promote and provide information about traveller history and culture. Sutton councils member for equalities says its a way for the borough and its people to celebrate our culture and to help people appreciate the richness that the traverling comunity brings to the borough.Nice to hear a council giving traverllers some suport.
Wed Jun 17 12:57:34 2009
julie
hi there did anyone know mary giles she was my nan .she was married to henry brazil they lived in basingstoke at attwood close traler site .she died at age 51 in the late sevenies.i was 2 young to know her but just wondered if anyone out there new her thanks
Wed Jun 17 12:18:40 2009
Lila
to Shauna, Ive not got an uncle Apsie sorry. BUT I have 3 Absaloms in my family (not uncles tho).
Wed Jun 17 11:56:11 2009
Lil
Paula. The signs were called Patrin. My great granda used to leave them when we passed through, if another trailer was coming afterus, it shows which way you've gone.
Wed Jun 17 11:54:43 2009
Bob lovell nz
Steve Price Pral.Been busy moving to a house bus on a bit of land out of town, very lovely to be able to wake in the mornings to the sound of birds singing and rosters crowing than the things you put up with in suburbs .I'm not sure how Kako Bill Matin is ? I hope he's ok , he's a tough old Rom though. Hi too Rosie Smith. I love country & play abit myself plus my owne brand of music and Folk.my niece Becky Brooks has won several country music awards here in NZ and we are proud of her,As for opara , Dordi ! can't be doing with it, but fine if others like it, each to their own hey !Hi too cousin Gary Small down in Cornwall (another fine Rom musician)Hi Chris Penfold miri pennar ,bokt with the London gig , would love to be there for Kelly's big day . miss you all very much way down here in the Southern Pacific. our winter-vent has been not to bad loads of snow futher down country but not months of rain like last year.hope EVERY ONE OVER there is having a kushti summer with your families.Bokt to you all.Bob.
Wed Jun 17 06:20:55 2009
Rosie Smith
hello Paula there was two reasons the old gypsies would do that 1. to let their family know they pass though that way 2. to let over gypsies know they could get water from your house or that you would buy stuff or that your mum would give them things, they was marking your house as a good house for the mungers(old gypsy women with their baskets)...hope this helped rosie
Tue Jun 16 22:16:29 2009
Carrots
I have always loved country music and my kids have grown up listening to it they new all the words to lorretta Lynns songs by the time they were 3!!! There are a lot of good Gypsy singers that can sing country I think its because they like nothing better than to spend the evenings playing their instruments and singing with friends and family where as most people these days prefer to watch the telly
Tue Jun 16 18:11:24 2009
Andy Johnson
To Mary Brazil Hello Mary thanks for getting back to me. I reckon with all those Johnson being in the same place at that time i would not be surprised if their is a connection somewhere. My connection to the Stanley's is through a uncle of mine a Tom Lee who married a Ivy Stanley. They used to live at Paper Mill Lane Alton Hampshire. Tom Lee was a Hawker and had a 2nd hand shop where they lived both gone now.
Tue Jun 16 17:51:40 2009
Rebekah
Did anyone have family in tents and trailers on the High Brooms Rd in Tunbridge? My family used to stop there.
Tue Jun 16 13:06:10 2009
Paula
ive been on a search on and off for a few yrs now to find out what signs were left on our pavement when I was kid. we in Bookham near the downs, on the main road between Epsom to guildford and often had gypsies with big baskets to call selling stuff especially near Derby race time. My mum always bought things and often offered bread and stuff too, one lady came often selling twigs with pretty wax flowers - I loved them. there were often marks in chalk on the pavement outside and sticks and stones but never knew what they meant and cant find out. Can you tell me or prefer not. Paula
Tue Jun 16 11:06:47 2009
James Gundersen-McLaughlin
I am descended from the Morris-Tappins who appear to have married; Kent Lees, Ransoms ans Sparks families amongst others.I am looking for relatives and information on mu Uncles grandparents-Edward Smith (B.15/5/1866)=Rebecca Hearne (B.9/12/1878). My Uncle informs me he had Hearne realtives in Sittingbourne, Kent and Edgware.Anyone know anything on these people? Would love to hear from you.Best wishes,James.
Tue Jun 16 08:45:14 2009
Shauna
Lila, having looked through the archieve messages i notice u bac in march on here,im wondering are u Uncle Apsies Lila ? iv not long discoverede lis site n i think its good site.Dont know if yuv notice me on here up till now but i hope your family all keeping well.
Mon Jun 15 23:15:25 2009
sian davies
my family were lees and my granny was a smith we live in luton if there are any lees a big hello xxx
Mon Jun 15 22:30:49 2009
Sharon
Hi I have wrote on this site before but did not recieve any replies,I am writting again as I read with interest the letters mentioning the Scamps,Lee's,Herons,and to many more to mention.My main ancestors are Buckley, I visited the British Library and had the priviledge of reading about my ancestors in a few of the Gypsie lore journals, my Frank Buckley was mentioned with a few members of the Scamp and Lee families,if you can get there its worth going lots of true tales were wrote in these journals.my ancestors were Buckley,Lee,cooper,Boswell,another site I find of interest is ROOTSCHAT lots of romany travelling info on there.
Mon Jun 15 21:38:04 2009
MARY BRAIL
HI SENGA I KNOW SOME OF THE WILSONS I GROW UP WITH ANDREW WILSON ,SARA WILSON AND LAURA WILSON THERE MOTHER AND FATHER WERE JULIE AND ANDREW THERE FAMILY I THINK CAME FROM YORKSHIRE BUT THEY LIVED IN BASINGSTOKE .ON A TRAYER SITE LAURA MARRIED HENRY LEE AND LIVES IN HENLEY . HOPE THIS HELPS MARY
Mon Jun 15 21:09:11 2009
MARY BRAZIL
ANDY JOHNSON HI ANDY JUST READ YOUR MESSAGE I DONT THINK HE WAS MY GRANDFATHER BUT THE GRANDAD . MY GRANDFATHER DIED IN 1984 AT AGE 65 .HE DID TRAVEL AROUND IN HE DAY .HE HAD LOTS OF BROTHERS AND SISTER .HE BROTHERS WERE TOMMY ,FREDDIE ,JIMMY .ROSIE ,ELVIE.THEY SETTLED IN WORKINGHAM.AND I I HAVE SOME STANLEYS IN MY FAMILY .BILL STANLEY WHO MARRIED ELVIE AND HAD 3 DAUGHTERS AND TWO SONS THEY LIVED IN ARBOR FELID HOPE THIS HELPS
Mon Jun 15 20:56:03 2009
Andy Johnson
TO Chris WS Hello again i will ask Hamish for your E-Mail address. I also use to go around with Phoebe kid's.Were they still living at Hogmoor Road in Caravan when you used to visit? Jim Best the Father is still alive and living in Alton but my Dad said he's not to good at the moment. My Dad's brother Frank told me that one of the original Johnson's who lived at Mole Road Winnersh one of their Grandson's has moved back there.Speak to you soon Andy
Mon Jun 15 18:22:56 2009
Tracy
Looking for anybody that know of the Lee family. Think the are from the Camp at the chalk cliffs ( charlton) on sandhurst Lane -Kent /londonMy Gt Gran was Lucy Lee 1896/7 born plumstead way. She married a John rockwell. Her Father was a Albert or Thomas Lee.My mum remembers Her Gt Grandparents being moved to the to Blackheath common Tennaments after WW2
Mon Jun 15 13:56:52 2009
Rosie Smith
to bill martin and bob lovel i know you both were not keen on me but i miss both your post and hope you both start posting again soon all my best rosiep.s all trallers have a love for music i have found, what ever kind that maybe, and i think its a cushty thing to have a chat about so keep the post coming...if thats ok with hamish?
Mon Jun 15 12:08:25 2009
Chris ws
Andy Johnson, Andy your memory sevre's you well, Phoebe was Henry's sister, she was married to Jim Best, sadley died a while back, they had a son called Jim too, who died young not long after Henry's daughter Jess, sad old world somtimes hey ! I used to play with Phoebe's children back in the 60's. maybe our path's have already crossed, Hamish has my E-mail add, if you would like to get in touch. Chris.
Mon Jun 15 09:37:55 2009
Carrots
Can anyone tell me the date of the Langley in Berkshire horse Fair please I think its some time in July but not sure of the date thanks x
Sun Jun 14 14:00:26 2009
Sharon
Does anyone know anything about Black Amos Herne from Shenley, he was my Great Grandfather.
Fri Jun 12 20:42:23 2009
Rosie Smith
hello Ben well dont know about unique!!lol but one of few i would say, but i think most needies like a bit of 60's and 70's too,i know it feels the floor with the mushs at the party's lol meself i like all music even a bit of opera!!!! now i think that may make me unique!!lol dont hear many needies Liston to opera do ya? lol meself i think music is one of the best pleases in life and long as ya enjoy it dont matter what kind,and glad i made ya smile Genty sounds like we had the same up bringing best wishes to all rosie...btw someone once said i look like blondie!!!!.......i wish lolol
Fri Jun 12 15:53:53 2009
Shauna
Hello Ben, i like all kinds music myself im into 60s,70s,80s,90s RnB need i go on more n im only 33, but thought id mention it n it was aimed at the British Romanies, i wasnt refering to any other Country n im needie myself lol.......Its a fact not a debate.
Fri Jun 12 15:11:31 2009
steve price
hi to every one on the site hi to bill martin and bob lovel havent seen no messages from you for a long time i hope every think is good down under just like to say thanks to hammish for this site and allowing the people to be in contact with one another just as it been a struggel over the centurys for the gypsy man to be assepted to a degree but after comeing back from appleby fair and seen the way the police treated the gypsy people was teribble it was like a sceen out of shinderlist and seeing this dictation and crulty to see people shouted out was so crual but there you go it is a shame that many critics dont see this and witness this cars and lorrys was pulled over and dip for red diesel why gorga mortars was waved threw cctv and moniters every were mobile ditical photo van takeing every ones photoes from scotch corner to penrith police stops ministries and cctv mobiles it felt like the gypsy people was a thret to this country un yet we never raise a hand towards this wonderfull land good old blighty so you see nougthing as change over the centurys with the insutution of this land but as for now it makes me wonder were it is going to end up i am proud who i am and i am proud that i was not brought up to hate my fellow man i have many gorga friends and i respeck any ones point of views and to voice there opions on this site but i hope this message reaches the message board and i wish every one the best bill martin bob lovel keep the camp fire burning
Fri Jun 12 07:19:46 2009
Genty
Rosie you message made me smile - growing up country music was enjoyed by all the family across the generations. When kids started thinking they discovered this great singer who's dead now ..... I think what you only just heard of Johnny Cash!!!! I hear them songs 30 years ago with my Granny & Grandad, loved them then still love them now !!!!
Thu Jun 11 20:44:56 2009
Ben (the Tarmac man)
well Im Romani/Needie and I dont like country music, so does that make me unique!! I like 60s and 70s music, David Bowie, The Kinks, Blondie etc. Stuff I grew up with. And yes I am 100% Needie.
Thu Jun 11 13:47:05 2009
Rosie Smith
thank you Gary Small i am glad you liked it and we all had a cushty time you should go some time i am sure you would love it ...rosieand ya right shauna country music got real meaning btw when i was talking about gypsies loving country music i was meaning english gypsies. best wishs to all rosie x
Thu Jun 11 11:48:50 2009
Len
Hi LitaThat was lovely to hear thank you. I shall tell my dad.Len
Wed Jun 10 23:47:06 2009
sheila
My dad is hoping to find info on my gran.Her folks were from Godstone, he thinks thats where she was born. Her name was Phoebe, Her father was a Chapman, then changed it to Roberts before marrying Phoebe's mother Annie Bonwick. Cant find any thing any where on them. Phoebe married Harold Fagence in 1928. Does any one know these names, dad said his mothers folks were gypies from Kent area.Thanks again, Sheila
Wed Jun 10 17:27:34 2009
Shauna
Well said Rosie ah ah..... i dont know too much about the violin music but for me Country music was what all my relations grew up on and know,and the words have true meanings too.
Wed Jun 10 16:43:37 2009
Janene
Hi thereI have just read some of the messages and have noticed 'Eric' that you mentioned a Famebridge Lee.I also have her in my tree. She is my grtgrtgrt grandma.I have some other family connecting her but would love to know information on them.
Wed Jun 10 16:36:06 2009
Estina P.
Flamenco music does it every time for me. The Spanish tourist industry makes a fortune out of Falmenco dancing in national costume and the music etc but they dont publicise the fact that it was Spanish gypsies who wore those costumes and invented those dances.
Wed Jun 10 16:29:03 2009
Gary Small
To Rosie Smith, just like to say parukka tute for the Stow video it is really kushti and I enjoyed watching it.I have never been but would like to pay a visit sometime. It was really nice to see our folki enjoying themselves and the chavvies singing.Thanks again.Gary
Wed Jun 10 15:09:14 2009
Lita
Message for Andy,info on Eastwood Family.I Dont know if it is the same link but I have Eastwood relatives in the Dartford Gravesend area. My G Grandmother name was Amy Eastwood, she lived on Ash Tree Lane, Chatham, she had daughters Polly (my Granny)Fanny married John Friend, (Gravesend) Annie, Lemmie, Amy, sons John, Dickie, Charlie, my Granny was married to George whom was brought up by Mark Eastwood from Dartfort, if I had some Christian names I could find out more for you...Good luck in finding your links.God Bless Lita
Wed Jun 10 14:33:56 2009
Rosie Smith
country music should be renamed needie music has from young chavvys to old people they all love it i aint meet a gypsy yet that dont like country music its became put of our culture and you will hear little tiknas/babys young as two singing tammy and johny cash, and old foky as old as 90 aint it lovely when all ages can come togther like this and share the love in music and have something in common, has for meself i love all music dearly but its country music thats my bigest love and i never get sick of my fav country singers marty robins and Loretta Lyn,get me a mike and i'll give ya a chant hahahahaha rosie give order give order lol
Wed Jun 10 12:09:35 2009
Shauna
I know you all probly thinking oh no not her again ah ah but i wanted to mention Country music, lots of travelling people followed it.......even last week when i was somewhere i heard sound of Faron Young playin ;Its four in mornin ; i hadnt heard it in years since i was a lil girl, and when i turn round and look a young traveller fella past by in his car, how many younger people like myself listen still to that music ? i like all kinds but for me thats what i was brought up on abit of Loretta Lyn and Tammy Wynett.
Tue Jun 9 21:33:41 2009
Andy Johnson
Hello im looking for any information on any Barton's from Sussex with link's to a Charity Barton who lived at Rogate Sussex and had a fruit&veg stall at Petersfield market in hampshire.Also any relative's to a Boxer Ridley and Family who were living in Caravan's/tent's and Shed's in Ashdown Forest Sussex. One of his daughter's a Rose Ridley is my grandmother on my Dad's side.Thanks
Mon Jun 8 19:32:13 2009
ROSIE M.
hi LINDSEY, my great grandparents were Rachel & Thomas Deakins,Rachels parents was Lucy and Richard Franklin. I know Lucy was a Beldom but that's about it,is this your tree?RosieM
Mon Jun 8 13:20:00 2009
rg
Hi to Bob Lovell hope your moveto the country has gone smoothly and your back posting soon :))
Mon Jun 8 10:54:00 2009
Karishma
Hi. I am of Indian origin. I have just learnt how close the Romany language is to Sanskrit and Hindi.. it's really extraordinary. I've been listening to Gypsy songs too and the similarity between the 2 languages is very strong...i will never think about Gypsies in the same way again! May God bless and help all Gypsies. Tons of love for u all.
Sun Jun 7 20:32:00 2009
Lita
Hi Len Hedges, A message from my Mum, your Grandparents were very nice people, your Nan was cousin to my Dad Charlie and they grew up together, my Mum and Dad lived 4 doors away from them at upper Luton Road, Chatham. Your Nan was a good cook and always invited them round for dinner. Your Grandad always bought the rabbits around the sales, hundreds of em! they always had a good laugh together, good people.Lita
Sun Jun 7 20:19:23 2009
Rebekah
GYPSY day at Bourne Hall, Ewell, Surrey. 20 June. Free entry, 10am to 5pm. Kids welcome. Traditional gypsy singing, wagons, food, kids activities and history.
Sun Jun 7 18:38:13 2009
Shauna
Although my Grandma married into Gorgas i still consider myself part Romany, as i said before my Great Grandfather was a Showman n i was told great Grandmother Irish , although my nan was only young when her mother died.One of my sisters has had Clairvoyant readings over the years n alwas told she had a gift for healing...... i dont quit know how lis connects to india n Romanies but i believe there to be some truth in it with some people. Iv also had near misses with danger over the years myself.
Sat Jun 6 22:03:20 2009
Rosie Smith
to PAULA i am sorry to hear about your uncle and rosie m is right most gypsies buy reaths that have a meaning to them like something they know the person liked what ever you choose will be right because you will give it out of love and that is what it is about for gypsies all my best to you rosie
Sat Jun 6 21:45:24 2009
Lindsey
Hi ROSIE.M, thanks for your kind message with regards to our new book - we are both really excited about this. I'm always researching our family tree, so if you discover you are related somehow, then I'd particularly be interested to learn more... Also you're general feedback would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks once again (from mine and Rosies behalf), Lindsey
Sat Jun 6 21:24:07 2009
Anonymous
Hi all, just wanted to know if anyone knows if any of the name sherwood or dickenson ever immigrated to south africa? Thanks!
Sat Jun 6 21:00:16 2009
andy
researching the Eastwood/Dell/Robinson families of Dartford and Gravesend areas in Kent, we know the Eastwoods came from Sussex, grateful for any help?
Sat Jun 6 20:34:01 2009
Gez
I am the G.G.G.Grandaughter of Col. John Hessing.There is a big mausoleum in India and lots of info on him. I am in touch with some of my relatives on that side but I cant find any info on my mother who was married to my father, John Hessing,G.G. Grandson of The Col. in India. My mother was a romany and her family took the big gun to India about 70 years ago or so.She had the name MaCauley-Hayes but I cant find anything on her.Does anyone have ancestors who were on that caravan to India from Spain.I dont know how many caravans went but they were all related. If they are still alive they must be very old and I would really like to speak with them before its too late.
Sat Jun 6 16:48:22 2009
nigel smith
trying to find out about Ivor Smith and he lived in the new forest sadly he died in the 70s he had a brother called fred and a sister called margaret anyone with any imformation please thankyou Nigel
Sat Jun 6 13:33:57 2009
