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by Ron Goldstein

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01 December 2003

Just one page from my Army Records, seen for the first time 61 years after the events were actually recorded!

I am, by nature, a compulsive diary writer. Originally I used tiny diaries to record my life in the army, but I graduated over the years and I now record everything on a Sharp ZQ-770 Organizer.

I have also, during the last few years, tried to finalise my memoirs, in theory for the benefit of my children and grandchildren, but in actual fact for the simple pleasure of looking back at what I did and marvelling at my own sheer energy.

As I tightened up the record of what I had done I noticed various gaps in the chronology, mainly in my service years between 1942 and 1947, so I decided to write to the Army Historical Disclosures department, because that's the name of the place where they keep your records.

I wrote late in March 2003 and received a package from them at the end of May 2003, but WHAT an Alladin's cave of treasures came pouring out of that large, buff envelope!

There were my two driving licences, the first one dated 9-2-43 when I learnt to drive over the Yorkshire moors and the second dated 10-12-46, ready to be swapped for its civilian counterpart.

There were all my postings, there was my 'Notification of impending release' dated 19-3-47 with its Military Conduct Testimonial from which I learn I was always 'Cheerful and Hardworking and his efficiency at his work is quite outstanding'. (Their words, not mine, I hasten to add!)

There was the momentous announcement that I was 'Promoted Unpaid Acting Cpl wef (with effect from) 20/7/46' followed by a further announcement 21 days later to tell the world that I was now a fully paid corporal.

There, horror of horrors, was an item that read 'Deprived of 7 days pay for (1). Failing to comply with Bty Orders (2) AWOL from 2130 hrs on 17-6-43 to 0505 hrs on 18-6-43. Absent 7hrs 35 mtes.' (The place of this offence is shown as being in the 'Field', although I remember it being at Guelma in Tunisia and although we'd only nipped down to the nearby village wine bar we were charged as though we'd stayed out till the next morning roll call!)

The next item on the same document shows that I made up for this deplorable criminal offence by noting that on 22-8-43 I embarked (ominously shown as 'Destination Unknown') and was taken off the strength of the 8th Army. (In actual fact this was our landing in Sicily.)

Here is a list of all the medals I was entitled to, there is my height, weight and colour of my eyes. Page after page of fascinating memorabilia finishing with two dates, the date I enlisted 1-10-1942 and the date I was posted to Class A release, 21-7-47.

I cannot begin to express how much pleasure it was to get this time machine from the past, I can only recommend this splendid service to fellow ex-servicemen.

Corporal (fully paid-up) Goldstein. R. 14300260, 4th Queen's Own Hussars

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Message 1 - Army records

Posted on: 08 December 2003 by Doug Haigh

Ron,

I was amazed by the amount of material that you managed to obtain. Well Done.

I am attempting to compile details of my late father's war service from very few concrete details and I wondered if you had the full address of the Army Historical Disclosures Dept. I thought I might try my luck with them.

Well done again!

Cheers,

Doug Haigh

 

Message 2 - Army records

Posted on: 26 December 2003 by Ron Goldstein

Hi Doug
Firstly appologies for late reply due to various boring problems.
The address: Army Personnel Centre
HQ Secretariat
Historical Disclosures
Mail Point 400
Kentigern House
65 Brown Street
Glasgow G2 8EX.
Lots of luck in your research
Best wishes
Ron

 

Message 3 - Army records

Posted on: 26 December 2003 by Peter - WW2 Site Helper

Hi Doug

As Ron says, that is the address to contact, but you can also contact them online.

Go to this site http://www.mod.uk/contacts/army_records.htmAbout links for full information and, scrolling down, other relevant addresses.

Peter

 

Message 4 - Army records

Posted on: 15 January 2004 by doughaigh

Ron,

Sincere apologies for not getting back to you sooner. Many thanks for the address which I shall use ASAP.

Thanks again and best wishes,

Doug

 

Message 5 - Army records

Posted on: 15 January 2004 by doughaigh

Peter,

Many thanks for the info and apologies for not getting back to you sooner,

Best wishes,

Doug

Message 1 - army records

Posted on: 25 August 2004 by vivian

Do you think I would be able to get by deceased fathers records from the Army Historical Disclosured Dept & do you have the address.

 

Message 2 - army records

Posted on: 08 April 2005 by tenderauchinleck

Dear vivien,
have just come across your message re. getting your late father's service records. I take it that you too have read Ron Goldstein's article - I now can't wait to get my Dad's records! The quickest way to apply is to write to the Army Personnel Department,
Historical Disclosures unit,
Mail Point 400,
Kentigern House,
Brown Street,
Glasgow G2 8 EX

They charge £30 for the service and will tell you it can take up to 8 months. They will send you out a Search Questionnare- good luck!

Anne

 

Message 3 - army records

Posted on: 06 October 2005 by nudgel

I WOULD LIKE TO FIND MY FATHERS ARMY RECORDS, HE WAS IN THE CORPS OF THE MILITARY POLICE DURING THE WAR. L/CPL NEWITT.5378259. ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED. IAN NEWITT.

Message 1 - reading army Records

Posted on: 14 November 2005 by SDA

I have just recieved my Grandfather Cyril Ernest Andre Army record he was in the R.C.S.(Accountant) He is on this site.I am finding some of it unreadable. To add to the site.

Can I get help to find out what the things mean etc?.

At a cost of £30.00. It was lovely to show my father as his dad died when he was only young.

I have looked up Divisions in East Africa etc but am still not sure which ones he was actually in. 11th ?.

I know by a photo he was in squad 378 at Catterick Camp. He enlisted on 8 Aug 1940.

on records it has lots of abbreviations etc. Here are some of them.

GNB Catterick

4th AFS
'E' Division Sig
1st EA Div, Sig
E Division
11th (A) Div
11th( D)Sig
11(A) DS

Salisbury. 1945

DHS EAA LYC/SIG
STC
11(A) D.S
CQMS

Cyril was in East Africa 12/1/41 To 10/8/45 4 Years

Middle East 15/11/40 to 11/1/41

11/10/44 Embarked uk

Also Egypt

Also looking to find troop ships in service record. HMT L13 Glasgow 15/11/40 to Alexander. And HMT Y 236 11/1/41 To Ethopia ? 21/1/41. to which I would like to find out what ships these were?.

Any help appreciated

From Sheila

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